Does the GOP need to fear the 99% Movement?

Catawba said:

GOP Rep Fears Wall Street Protests

"Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is upset at the growing Occupy Wall Street movement and the media's coverage of the nationwide protests. "It's really important for us not to give any legitimacy to these people in the streets," King said on Laura Ingraham's radio show Friday. "I remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can't allow that to happen."

GOP Rep Fears Wall Street Protests | Drudge Retort

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Freedom of speech and assembly is the most important thing in the world when its PROTECTING campaign contributions, but not so much when its PROTESTING campaign contributions.

Clever, clever protesters.

A.Pearce said:

I think that Congressman King already gave us the answer. Kudos to him for that part, at least.

"..can't let that happen again" referring to letting left-wingers shape policy...
I bet he's okay with right-wingers shaping our policy though.

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well, I would hope he is communicating that we shouldn't let policy be shaped by frustration and mob mentality... in which case I would agree with him.

but i kinda doubt that's what he is saying...

Catawba said:

I see, so you can't refute any of the facts.

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I never said I had any plans to refute any of the facts.

I said your source is superbiased, hence it is a waste of time citing the direct words in your source, because it has no more credibility than you have. is that difficult for you to understand? I'm not going against your numbers.

Thanks for your opinion.

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That isn't just my opinion. For instance one of the problems in New Zealand for instance, is that people don't invest enough abroad. In Ireland they have taken advantage of having low business taxes to attract rich people. This is making the rest of Europe mad, because rich people are moving their business to ireland. My signature says it best "Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong." Especially in a country like US where the rich pay most of your taxes, it is not a good idea to try to make them move.

Davos WEF 2011: Wealth inequality is the "most serious challenge for the world"

"Wealth inequality is the most serious challenge facing the world in the years ahead, senior business figures heard at the World Economic Forum in Davos today.

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And lots of sources say "income inequality is our biggest problem." They belong together. I never said income inequality or wealth inequality is not a problem. I said you have no idea of solving it, and you are using wealth inequality numbers to create a shock effect. Raising taxes are not going to significantly reduce income inequality. Many countries with really high taxation, has high income inequality, and some countries with low taxation has low income inequality.

You need to look at what factors cause income inequality. Problem is, in America, the left is just doing the blame-game, while the right is ignoring the problem.

winston53660 said:

I propose trickle up taxation.

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why don't you explain that-I will put a towel over my keyboard

Catawba said:

I never said all the wealth.

From the study referenced above:

"The only way to understand finance is to get educated but the cost of that is going up. So you have an enormous serfdom of those who have very little understanding of finance being subjected to the whims of the banking sector. In the end, the banks have managed to calm the masses and numb their ability to reason because what has occurred over the last few years is the greatest wealth transfer in the history of our nation. It didn’t take a war or coup but simply happened by pure momentum and sheer inactivity. They system is in a deep capture.

Even being in the industry does not keep you from buying into the delusional propaganda of Wall Street:

“I studied finance… I learned about stock investments when I was 18 or 19. I took money that I saved since I was a kid and invested in stocks. It was $10,000. I made it into $80,000 in 2 years in stocks. But I had $150,000 invested because of margin and I lost all of it. Now I’m looking at the real estate market. I’m like, huh. I learned my lesson in the stock market. Should I sell my real estate that has gone up in value by 80 percent?”

This quote was taken at the height of the housing bubble. How many people do you think lost money in the stock market and the real estate bubble? Trillions of dollars were lost yet somehow, the top 1 percent came out ahead. They will argue that they are not as wealthy as before but keep in mind even if you lost money, the cost of other items has also fallen. Money is only as valuable as what you can buy with it. And this tiny group has become all the richer in this crisis. You can now by the yacht for half off while your stock portfolio fell by 15 percent."

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Yawn-rant all you want, when we strip away all the nonsense what is left is a guy who is mad he isn't as rich as he thinks he should be and he wants the government to get even with those who are better off for him

the funny thing is, the "top one percent" as a static 2008 figure didn't come out ahead. basically, the top 1% of 2008 were divided into two groups: those who had pulled their money out of items exposed to the crash, and those who ceased to be the top 1%, to be replaced by those who had successfully bet against the bubble.

looking at "the top 1%" over a period of years is sort of a silly misnomer - people flow in and out of it constantly. Complaining that the 1% have only gotten wealthier through the crash is like complaining that Jordan and Pippin must be sucking, because the Bulls aren't winning like they used to.

Camlon said:

I never said I had any plans to refute any of the facts.

I said your source is superbiased, hence it is a waste of time citing the direct words in your source, because it has no more credibility than you have. is that difficult for you to understand? I'm not going against your numbers.




That isn't just my opinion. For instance one of the problems in New Zealand for instance, is that people don't invest enough abroad. In Ireland they have taken advantage of having low business taxes to attract rich people. This is making the rest of Europe mad, because rich people are moving their business to ireland. My signature says it best "Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong." Especially in a country like US where the rich pay most of your taxes, it is not a good idea to try to make them move.


And lots of sources say "income inequality is our biggest problem." They belong together. I never said income inequality or wealth inequality is not a problem. I said you have no idea of solving it, and you are using wealth inequality numbers to create a shock effect. Raising taxes are not going to significantly reduce income inequality. Many countries with really high taxation, has high income inequality, and some countries with low taxation has low income inequality.

You need to look at what factors cause income inequality. Problem is, in America, the left is just doing the blame-game, while the right is ignoring the problem.

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I see it differently the left is trying to address the problem and the right is doing every thing that they can to increase the income inequality, higher incomes and stealing lead to wealth inequality

EarlzP said:

I see it differently the left is trying to address the problem and the right is doing every thing that they can to increase the income inequality, higher incomes and stealing lead to wealth inequality

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I would suggest that you pop your bubble.

There are a lot of intelligent people who support the right. Are they evil? Or maybe, the world is a little bit more complicated than you think?

cpwill said:

the funny thing is, the "top one percent" as a static 2008 figure didn't come out ahead. basically, the top 1% of 2008 were divided into two groups: those who had pulled their money out of items exposed to the crash, and those who ceased to be the top 1%, to be replaced by those who had successfully bet against the bubble.
looking at "the top 1%" over a period of years is sort of a silly misnomer - people flow in and out of it constantly. Complaining that the 1% have only gotten wealthier through the crash is like complaining that Jordan and Pippin must be sucking, because the Bulls aren't winning like they used to.

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You do realize that OWS's use of the terms "1%" and "99%" are more symbols than they are carefully analyzed divisions meant to be taken as concrete groups?

TurtleDude said:

Yawn-rant all you want, when we strip away all the nonsense what is left is a guy who is mad he isn't as rich as he thinks he should be and he wants the government to get even with those who are better off for him

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Great campaign slogan for your candidate, but you need to shorten it up a bit for your bumper sticker!

EarlzP said:

I see it differently the left is trying to address the problem and the right is doing every thing that they can to increase the income inequality, higher incomes and stealing lead to wealth inequality

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wrong as usual

we on the right want freedom and freedom leads to winners winning and losers not winning

we don't see income inequality to be a problem worthy of the socialist or fascist solutions the losers want

we see many of those who are losers as being losers because of government policies implemented by the dems that sap ambition from the middle and lower classes and make dependency on the government way too easy

Catawba said:

Great campaign slogan for your candidate, but you need to shorten it up a bit for your bumper sticker!

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that's the advantage of not having to run for public office

I can tell the truth even if it pisses off millions of losers, slackers, failures and others who are a drag on society who unfortunately tend to vote against winners

Camlon said:

I would suggest that you pop your bubble.

There are a lot of intelligent people who support the right. Are they evil? Or maybe, the world is a little bit more complicated than you think?

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for every All American there are hundreds of guys who didn't even make the varsity

for every Olympic gold medalist there are thousands who didn't even try to make the olympic teams

TurtleDude said:

wrong as usual

we on the right want freedom and freedom leads to winners winning and losers not winning

we don't see income inequality to be a problem worthy of the socialist or fascist solutions the losers want

we see many of those who are losers as being losers because of government policies implemented by the dems that sap ambition from the middle and lower classes and make dependency on the government way too easy

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Clearly welfare led to the laziness and lack of ambition that allowed feudal lords to take most of what everybody produced with the help of managers and armed men.

If those serfs had just worked harder, they could have been feudal lords too.

TurtleDude said:

that's the advantage of not having to run for public office

I can tell the truth even if it pisses off millions of losers, slackers, failures and others who are a drag on society who unfortunately tend to vote against winners

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Your message appears to be getting to the protesters, all I can say is keep spitting out that hate of the middle class!

TurtleDude said:

wrong as usual

we on the right want freedom and freedom leads to winners winning and losers not winning

we don't see income inequality to be a problem worthy of the socialist or fascist solutions the losers want

we see many of those who are losers as being losers because of government policies implemented by the dems that sap ambition from the middle and lower classes and make dependency on the government way too easy

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I would just like to interject and say that the right-wingers who are currently in power mainly want to try to stop Obama from winning, not do what is good for our country (or even what they say would be best for our country. I think any honest conservative would be seriously questioning why their congressman/woman is putting politics ahead of country, if their congressperson was in this group.

TurtleDude said:

that's the advantage of not having to run for public office

I can tell the truth even if it pisses off millions of losers, slackers, failures and others who are a drag on society who unfortunately tend to vote against winners

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You are not helping.

The reason I'm a conservative is not because I think the poor deserve to be poor, but because class warfare will not make the conditions for the average american any better. Fact is, the rich are the ones paying most of the taxes, it will not help to push them out of the country.

What if...? said:

Clearly welfare led to the laziness and lack of ambition that allowed feudal lords to take most of what everybody produced with the help of managers and armed men.

If those serfs had just worked harder, they could have been feudal lords too.

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feudalism didn't collapse because of a welfare state

Camlon said:

You are not helping.

The reason I'm a conservative is not because I think the poor deserve to be poor, but because class warfare will not make the conditions for the average american any better. Fact is, the rich are the ones paying most of the taxes, it will not help to push them out of the country.

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many of my thousands of posts have stated that. plucking the golden goose only makes it fly off while the pluckers are left to starve.

I don't try to convince the brainwashed and the envious. as a wise man once noted, if someone will not serve as a good role model, we might as well make a horrible example out of them. the anti rich nonsense is the product of a plantation mentality coming from those who have become addicted to sucking the public tit. The best thing to do is to napalm the addicted addled BS they spew

A.Pearce said:

I would just like to interject and say that the right-wingers who are currently in power mainly want to try to stop Obama from winning, not do what is good for our country (or even what they say would be best for our country. I think any honest conservative would be seriously questioning why their congressman/woman is putting politics ahead of country, if their congressperson was in this group.

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1) because getting rid of Obama is right for this country

2) because we don't want Obama putting 2 more Kagans on the USSC

3) because raising taxes only on the rich will increase the deficit by encouraging the dems to spend more and by convincing the tax consumers that deficit reduction is not something they need to worry about nor pay for

TurtleDude said:

...3) because raising taxes only on the rich will increase the deficit by encouraging the dems to spend more and by convincing the tax consumers that deficit reduction is not something they need to worry about nor pay for

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err...I think that puppy has been put to bed.

Thunder said:

err...I think that puppy has been put to bed.

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its been proven true

we have a massive deficit now and the rich pay more of the federal income tax burden than at any time in the last 70 years

TurtleDude said:

its been proven true

we have a massive deficit now and the rich pay more of the federal income tax burden than at any time in the last 70 years

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Let me expand upon that. Because he is absolutely right.

If you want to increase tax revenue, everyone has to pay more in taxes.







http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=3652

TurtleDude said:

many of my thousands of posts have stated that. plucking the golden goose only makes it fly off while the pluckers are left to starve.

I don't try to convince the brainwashed and the envious. as a wise man once noted, if someone will not serve as a good role model, we might as well make a horrible example out of them. the anti rich nonsense is the product of a plantation mentality coming from those who have become addicted to sucking the public tit. The best thing to do is to napalm the addicted addled BS they spew

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Brainwashed in that the new code word or the Cain word, Cain seems to think that many people have been brainwashed just like you do. Do you have a self image problem are you afraid that people don't envy you. Plantation mentality could you explain that I found two definitions

1- Plantation mentality is a term some people use to describe ways in which they feel some black people hold themselves back socially and economically, as though they still believe that they are still down on the plantation. Here, even though the black people are no longer living in slavery times, they expect to be taken care of as if they were.

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2-Why should we allow for our "overseers and owners" (middle and upper management) to dictate our destiny?" Because people have been taught to believe that their only destiny in life is to obey the authority figures, go to school, graduate, grow up and work. The only time you can ever enjoy life (If you have the money) is when you are old and with low energy. "Aren't we free to leave and pursue other opportunities." Yes, we are. The problem is the majority of people don't believe there are other ways of living due to their conditioning. So they continue to work like slaves. There's another name for this mindset. It's called 'hive mentality.

I have asked you before and you never replied are you engaged in stealing from the poor and elderly, some people are born with an entitlement mentality and when they can not get what they think they deserve by working for it they turn parasitic and steal from others by getting involved in activities such as insider trading, speculating, ect

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