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Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

Should an American citizen have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 70.2%
  • No

    Votes: 14 29.8%

  • Total voters
    47
So you are officially ignoring definitions then?

Let me explain this to you. Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When we throw someone in jail, we're denying them those things. Does that mean those aren't actually rights?
 
just the ones used incorrectly by someone who is clueless concerning the fact that firearms ownership is a RIGHT not a PRIVILEGE

George Washington once said:

"How many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg? Four, you can call a tail a leg but it is still a tail."

Let me explain this to you. Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When we throw someone in jail, we're denying them those things. Does that mean those aren't actually rights?

No, it makes them privileges.
 
Let me explain this to you. Americans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When we throw someone in jail, we're denying them those things. Does that mean those aren't actually rights?

exactly!!!!
 
George Washington once said:

"How many legs does a dog have if you call a tail a leg? Four, you can call a tail a leg but it is still a tail."

No, it makes them privileges.

So basically, in your definition, rights don't exist. I think I'll go ahead and stick with the other definition, thanks.
 
Again its a disgusting position. under the constitution there is no difference between the standard infantry arm of the USA and a semi automatic version thereof

And the constitution has no difference between a newspaper and Hustler and yet pornography is regulated by the federal and state governments. Which shows that the Bill of Rights are not unqualified rights.
 
They're rights given to everyone, but can be taken away. Seeing that they can be taken away some people get to retain these rights and others have them taken away leaving those who retain their rights in a privileged situation over those who don't. Those who retain the rights weren't given special privileges, they are just in a privileged situation when compared to those who have had their rights taken away.

Semantics debates :doh
 
And the constitution has no difference between a newspaper and Hustler and yet pornography is regulated by the federal and state governments. Which shows that the Bill of Rights are not unqualified rights.

that might have some relevance if the government issued porno to its employees and then told other civilians they couldn't read the stuff
 
Uh sorry, I understand weapons and can shoot full automatics whenever I want. I find them a waste of ammunition generally

No disagreement with you on that. I used to laugh at my ex brother-in-law when he'd come around and fire all 30 rounds as fast as he could and then manage to hit the target once. That was before anyone knew about bump firing. If we fired a burst, we thought there was something internally wrong with our guns, but laughed about it. I just learned about bump firing about a year ago. What a surprise. I still don't like to do it. Ammo is too expensive these days, but still this special stock might be worth looking in to, just for the heck of it.
 
You can fire any semi-automatic weapon or pistol by the technique known as bump firing, and that could be used to cover someone's retreat if need be.

The art of bump firing takes some practice if you don't mind wasting ammo, or you could get your AK or AR-15 equipped with this special stock. Then everybody can own an automatic, legally, too.

Incredible Bump Fire! - YouTube

Bump Fire Everyone trying the new slide fire stock. - YouTube

Slide Fire Solutions SSAR15 Lone Wolf Distributors 9mm Carbine Test - YouTube

An easier way with an AK is just remove one of the catches in the trigger and you have a fully automatic AK.
 
An easier way with an AK is just remove one of the catches in the trigger and you have a fully automatic AK.


Pretty sure that isn't legal, though.
 
Of course we should. Gang-bangers have the danged things. Why shouldn't everyone else be able to have them as well? Besides, I'm not a fan of pick-and-choose constitution rights.
 
An easier way with an AK is just remove one of the catches in the trigger and you have a fully automatic AK.

yeah but doing that, you run the risk of say in ten years having a butthole bigger than the diameter of a "bloop tube" (40MM)
 
You aren't aloud to alter weapons?

No not that way

that would make you a Title II manufacturer of a machine gun but without a license its a federal felony under 18 USC 922 or 924 (cannot recall, the code book is sitting on my desk at work and I am at home now)
 
It is a privilege because if you commit certain crimes it can be taken away. If it were a right, no matter what, everyone would be able to own a gun.

You can lose your right to vote.
 
You can lose your right to vote.

I noted this several pages ago-Jryan's concept of rights and privileges is a bit different than yours or mine
 
I noted this several pages ago-Jryan's concept of rights and privileges is a bit different than yours or mine

Yeah I actually saw that and thought I deleted this post but I guess I didnt...
 
No disagreement with you on that. I used to laugh at my ex brother-in-law when he'd come around and fire all 30 rounds as fast as he could and then manage to hit the target once. That was before anyone knew about bump firing. If we fired a burst, we thought there was something internally wrong with our guns, but laughed about it. I just learned about bump firing about a year ago. What a surprise. I still don't like to do it. Ammo is too expensive these days, but still this special stock might be worth looking in to, just for the heck of it.

Firing guns on full auto is fun, but I wouldn't want to do it if I was actually trying to hit something.
 
You don't find M16's dangerous?

Any gun is dangerous (well, maybe except the Ross rifle, but that's dangerous to the shooter! :)), but the M16, in selective-fire, is not as dangerous as MaggieD stated it.

In addition, I can understand your position, Maggie, but trying to store a gun unassembled is like trying to store a huge, complicated, piece of machinery unsassembled. Unrealistic and too inconvenient
 
Vote on whether you think any American not convicted of a violent crime should have the right to own a fully automatic assault rifle like an AK-47 or an M-16.

Discussion through the thread seems to indicate mass murder on a small scale is okay. The Dirty Harry's draw the line at mortars and VX gas. I'm mean... that would be crazy to sell those arms to general public, right??

But owning a machine designed to wipe out an entire school cafeteria is what the founders intended.

:roll:
 
Discussion through the thread seems to indicate mass murder on a small scale is okay. The Dirty Harry's draw the line at mortars and VX gas. I'm mean... that would be crazy to sell those arms to general public, right??

But owning a machine designed to wipe out an entire school cafeteria is what the founders intended.

:roll:

Ever fired an automatic weapon? They are pretty hard to control and therefor very bad for shooting up anything. A legal semi-automatic would be better.
 
Ever fired an automatic weapon? They are pretty hard to control and therefor very bad for shooting up anything. A legal semi-automatic would be better.


I admire your persistence but there's no point in trying to change some people's minds... or even get them to discuss something in a reasonable manner.
 
I admire your persistence but there's no point in trying to change some people's minds... or even get them to discuss something in a reasonable manner.

It may not change his mind but someone else who is reading this might at least think about it. Plus I mostly come to this site because I have nothing else to do.
 
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