If Christie runs, will he win the Republican nomination for president?

lpast · Oct 2, 2011

Risky Thicket said:
Christie is out, Councilman. He's not up to it. He cannot compete with Romney's money, especially at this point. If Christie was such a great idea why didn't the GOP people run to him first instead of swooning over a series of cluster****s: Palin, Bachman, Perry and a few also rans? The fact is Christie is simply the latest someone who isn't Romney.

Your right and all this flopping and floundering around by the teaparty is being noticed by all the independents and swing voters...its become a sideshow..
For the last 3 weeks theyve allowed...Is he running...yes he is..no he isnt...William Crystal begged him to run and he IS..no he isnt...and on and on...and thats dominated the news more than the candidates...

Cain said quote..Christie is too liberal for Conservatives...yet its all the hot shot far right conservatives that are courting him...all the indications are for some reason the GOP elite have watch the bad performances by the candidates and they are not confident as you would think.

Cain says Christie too liberal for conservatives - Yahoo! News

lpast · Oct 2, 2011

It appears to observers that the teaparty has no confidence in their own candidates...so how can they expect anyone else to have any confidence in them...They demeaned their own field of candidates by actively dissin them and going out publically and recruiting...Im amazed they didnt realize how it was looking

What if...? · Oct 2, 2011

lpast said:
It appears to observers that the teaparty has no confidence in their own candidates...so how can they expect anyone else to have any confidence in them...They demeaned their own field of candidates by actively dissin them and going out publically and recruiting...Im amazed they didnt realize how it was looking

There's an odd phenomenon I've observed where the "old guard" cannot or will not adapt to the instant information age.

It used to be that pols could make **** up and by the time anybody found out that it wasn't true, nobody would care.

They nailed them for the Jessica Lynch fabrication at the press conference where they announced the "daring rescue".

They just can't seem to get their heads around the fact that EVERYTHING you say and do is recorded and is easily found with a simple search.

I think it may actually just simply be a function of brain hardening that occurs with age. Which is why people become more conservative as they age. It becomes harder to learn new things so an actual aversion to new things develops.

Anyway, "optics" is becoming more problematic each year as technology increases "vision".

lpast · Oct 2, 2011

What if...? said:
There's an odd phenomenon I've observed where the "old guard" cannot or will not adapt to the instant information age.

It used to be that pols could make **** up and by the time anybody found out that it wasn't true, nobody would care.

They nailed them for the Jessica Lynch fabrication at the press conference where they announced the "daring rescue".

They just can't seem to get their heads around the fact that EVERYTHING you say and do is recorded and is easily found with a simple search.

I think it may actually just simply be a function of brain hardening that occurs with age. Which is why people become more conservative as they age. It becomes harder to learn new things so an actual aversion to new things develops.

Anyway, "optics" is becoming more problematic each year as technology increases "vision".

You make a good point...but dear lord how can they not know right now today that what they say is instantly recorded and accessible...and the teaparty isnt the OLD GUARD...they cant stand they old guard and want them gone...maybe its because they are just greedy young mutts and politically inept and so cocky they think they cant lose

Guy Incognito · Oct 2, 2011

Risky Thicket said:
I am a non-partisan. I don't belong to a party. Give me a worthy GOP candidate and I'll vote for him or her. I wish the GOP could forward a solid candidate. They haven't and they cannot.

:roll: You're clearly a left-wing partisan.

Risky Thicket said:
LOL! Yeah, OK. Now who is being the blinded partisan?

I'm a libertarian partisan. I'm looking at it objectively when I say that Romney would crush Obama in a general election. Romney is more of a centrist than Obama, elections usually go to the centrist candidate. Romney is stronger on the economy than Obama, and the economy is the central issue of this election. Obama cannot win on those terms. The only shot Obama has is if a Tea Party candidate gets the nomination, which would make Obama look like a level-headed centrist by comparison.

Risky Thicket said:
And you know this because.........

There's an old slogan, "It's the economy, stupid."

It's the economy, Risky Thicket.

Fiddytree · Oct 2, 2011

Possibly, but people are pretty fickle.

TheDemSocialist · Oct 2, 2011

Yaaa add another one to the Republicant nomination lists!

Guy Incognito · Oct 2, 2011

What if...? said:
The real problem Romney faces is that he looks and talks just like, and may have actually been, the guy who laid you off.

Ha, that's a good point. But I don't think it's a huge factor, I think the people who are turned off by that would vote for Obama no matter what. I think there is a danger that if Romney wins a bunch of Tea Partiers aren't going to care enough to turn out to vote, or worse, a third party candidate will spoil it. But I think the Republicans, an extraordinarily cohesive party when they want to be, will rally behind the nominee even if it is Romney. After all they'd have to be idiots not to... oh wait, what am I saying:shock: Of course the idiot Republicans will screw this up.

jasonxe · Oct 2, 2011

What if...? said:
From the looks of him I would suggest he walk.

I'm not sure we're ready for a president that is so obese it is causing him to collapse.

Seriously though, if they can get it together, he could win the primary.

Mayne that's the trick in this day and age. Get in at the last second so there's no time to for folks to dig up and broadcast dirt on you before the election. So everybody votes for you based on your sound bite image.

i think if Christie ran, he'll be

Guy Incognito · Oct 2, 2011

Fiddytree said:
Possibly, but people are pretty fickle.

Fickle, but ultimately predictable.

What if...? · Oct 2, 2011

jasonxe said:
i think if Christie ran, he'll be

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Funny. But I wasn't mocking him(too much) because of his weight but commenting on his general health. Running cor president, and BEING president is an extremely stressful undertaking, and I don't honestly know if he's up to it.

I also have an issue with older candidates. I remember the latter days of the Reagan presidency, when it became clear he was "losing" it. I voted for mccain years ago, but considered him too old this last time. Its not age per se, but how well the individual is "holding up". And I'm also concerned with the attitude some men get when they get too old to get it up anymore. Bitter and angry.

nota bene · Oct 2, 2011

Christie favors some restrictions on gun ownership, and he has stated that he doesn't think that being in the United States without documentation is a crime. In fact, he objects to the phrase "illegal immigrant," which he says "connotes" that just by being here, a person is commiting a crime.

It doesn't connote it; it denotes the legal fact--immigrating illegally is a crime.

Guy Incognito · Oct 2, 2011

nota bene said:
Christie favors some restrictions on gun ownership, and he has stated that he doesn't think that being in the United States without documentation is a crime. In fact, he objects to the phrase "illegal immigrant," which he says "connotes" that just by being here, a person is commiting a crime.

It doesn't connote it; it denotes the legal fact--immigrating illegally is a crime.

Just like the use of the phrase "illegal immigrant" denotes that the person using it is a small-minded bigot.

upsideguy · Oct 2, 2011

What if...? said:
The real problem Romney faces is that he looks and talks just like, and may have actually been, the guy who laid you off.

Which is exactly how Bain Capital (Romney's private equity firm) made his money. Romney should be an expert in creating jobs only because he has so much experience costing America its jobs.

Romney / Clooney, separated at birth? I dunno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWuHcb7dlws&feature=grec_index

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Y9tSRIMt8&feature=related

Guy Incognito · Oct 2, 2011

upsideguy said:
Which is exactly how Bain Capital (Romney's private equity firm) made his money. Romney should be an expert in creating jobs only because he has so much experience costing America its jobs.

You say that sarcastically, but it's true. As much of a shock as it might be to the bleeding heart bedwetters out there, success in business often requires that people get fired.

Obama has proven that he can't control the economy. Romney has a demonstrated track record of business success in both the private and public secots.

upsideguy · Oct 2, 2011

Guy Incognito said:
You say that sarcastically, but it's true. As much of a shock as it might be to the bleeding heart bedwetters out there, success in business often requires that people get fired.

Obama has proven that he can't control the economy. Romney has a demonstrated track record of business success in both the private and public secots.

I spent 10 years of my career acquiring companies... I understand how to find "synergies", which is often a euphemism for cutting redundant overhead. When we sold our company in 2008, Bain Capital was one of the suitors, so I also understand how they work. They specialized in wholesale foreign outsourcing of business functions. IMHO, there is a huge difference between making the combined operations of a merged company more efficient and the complete dismantling of our economic infrastructure, which was the final result of rampant outsourcing. In that regard, however, I can not blame Romney. Instead I blame tax and other governmental policies plus an electorate that is completely asleep at the wheel that allowed this rape and pillage to occur.

nota bene · Oct 2, 2011

Guy Incognito said:
Just like the use of the phrase "illegal immigrant" denotes that the person using it is a small-minded bigot.

In your opinion anyway.

I don't share it. Those who immigate illegally are illegal immigrants. Sorry if this offends your sensibilities, but the words are plain and correct. They're immigrants, and they've entered the country illegally. This makes them illegal immigrants, and calling them "undocumented workers" doesn't change the fact that they are immigrants who are here illegally.

Flippinfunky · Oct 2, 2011

He couldn't even walk the 100yds from the helicopter to ball field his child was playing on .. not to mention he thinks an annual income of 5k is too much for state Medicaid. Interesting seeing a condition he suffers from costs tax payers 147 billion a year.

samsmart · Oct 2, 2011

Grim17 said:
Here is the latest from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/u..._r=1&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimes&pagewanted=all

I think he would win the GOP nomination, mostly on the glitz and glamor of him entering the election.

Even so, I'm not sure how well he would win against Obama.

And even if he were to win the Presidency I don't know how well he'd do with both Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats would oppose him on ideological grounds, just as GOPers do the same with Democratic Presidents, but when it comes to his own party he doesn't seem to be one who would toe the party line, so some GOP factions may butt heads with him.

ALiberalModerate · Oct 2, 2011

He doesn't stand a chance if he does not lose between 150 and 200 pounds. I like the guy, but no way would a majority of Republicans, much less a majority of Americans, want a 400 pound man as the face of America to the world.

Thunder · Oct 2, 2011

Christie does not hate Muslims, gays, Communists, Kenyans, or the poor.

Therefore it is near-impossible for him to win the GOP nomination, as long as the Tea-Party holds power.

Kandahar · Oct 2, 2011

He isn't going to run, and even if he did he wouldn't win the nomination. You can't just jump in three months before the first primaries, and have time to fundraise, meet with voters, organize a campaign, appear on television, and prep for debates. It's simply too late.

upsideguy · Oct 2, 2011

Kandahar said:
He isn't going to run, and even if he did he wouldn't win the nomination. You can't just jump in three months before the first primaries, and have time to fundraise, meet with voters, organize a campaign, appear on television, and prep for debates. It's simply too late.

If not Christie than who? The Regressives may have someone that can win the nomination, but those that are capable of appeasing the tea party are not capable of winning the general. Christie might be the one exception to this rule and thus is the only chance they have.

jamesrage · Oct 2, 2011

Grim17 said:
Here is the latest from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/u..._r=1&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimes&pagewanted=all

No, especially after they find out that he is just as big as a lib as Romney.

Kandahar · Oct 2, 2011

upsideguy said:
If not Christie than who? The Regressives may have someone that can win the nomination, but those that are capable of appeasing the tea party are not capable of winning the general. Christie might be the one exception to this rule and thus is the only chance they have.

Mitt Romney will most likely be the Republican nominee IMO.

If Christie runs, will he win the Republican nomination for president?