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Who cannot be a Christian?

Who cannot be a Christian?

  • A Liberal cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • A Conservative cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • A Libertarianl cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • A Socialist cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • A Fascist cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • A Communist cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 6 15.0%

  • A Centrist or Moderatel cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • A Monarchist cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • A Despotist cannot be a Christian

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • All believers in these ideologies can be Christian

    Votes: 33 82.5%
  • Total voters
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rocket88 said:
Yes there is. When you capitalize the "D" in "democratic," it refers to the Democratic Party, not to democracy. Same with "republican" and I would say "communist" too. "Communist" with a capital "C," it means the Communist Party.
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And we couldn't derive this from context?
 
rocket88 said:
Communist. Part of the Communist credo is atheism. You cannot be a Christian and an Atheist, because being a Christian assumes a belief in God.
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Except Marxists were never shy about squabbling over their respective differences and conceptions of a proper Marxist state and what a good Communist should believe.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
And we couldn't derive this from context?
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You could. However, it is technically correct and relevant in this case. You can be Christian and practice a form of "communism," but being a "Communist" i.e., a member of the Communist Party would pretty much preclude belief in a God. Thus making that person not a Christian.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Why do these threads exist? Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Give unto God what is God's." He didn't care about politics except as they controlled people's relationship with God.
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Because I have seen the sentiment expressed that people with certain political views cannot be Christian. I wanted to see how popular this type of thing was on this forum.
 
Anyone who does not believe and accept that Jesus Christ is the Son of Almighty God.
Cannot be a Christian.​


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I don't think any of those ideologies would render a person unable to be a Christian. It is worth noting that Communism has historically been hostile to religion, however. One could also mention that Anarchism is typically associated with atheism as well.
 
cpwill said:
sure they can. Christians have been wrong about those kinds of issues before - slavery, for example.
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We were never wrong about slavery.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about biblical slavery. It's little different then modern contract labor.
 
Jerry said:
We were never wrong about slavery.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about biblical slavery. It's little different then modern contract labor.
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Dude you just say there is nothing wrong about being a slave in biblical times?
 
megaprogman said:
Perhaps. But the nature of my question is that I have seen people hold the idea that a liberal cannot be a Christian due to their stance on abortion, for example. I am curious about this sort of thinking.
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Sorry, but that would be a belief held only by a legalistic nuevo born-again with less than half a brain. In other words, people that held such beliefs can be dismissed in the same way that we don't argue with those afflicted with Alzheimer's.

An interesting argument can be made as to whether you can be a capitalist and a Christian. Certainly there is nothing in the Bible that suggests capitalism is bad, in fact, most of it is implied to be quite noble.... on the other hand, if you are a capitalist because you love money, now that is a real problem. Unlike the abortion issue, which Christ never spoke about, he spoke a ton about money. Most piercing to the "I love money" crowd:

Matthew 6:24

“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."


Luke 16:13

“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”

If you can not serve God, you can not be a Christian.
 
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megaprogman said:
Perhaps. But the nature of my question is that I have seen people hold the idea that a liberal cannot be a Christian due to their stance on abortion, for example. I am curious about this sort of thinking.
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There are things that are fundamental to Christianity: specifically a belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Savior, and in his resurrection.

Then there are grey areas where sincere people can have honest disagreement.... how to keep the Sabbath, and which day; abortion could be considered somewhat debateable as there is not a clear commandment; What Political Jersey Would Jesus Wear is certainly a silly thing to use as a yardstick, IMO.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Dude you just say there is nothing wrong about being a slave in biblical times?
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He is correct. There is nothing in the Bible that admonishes the idea of slavery... and it instructs slaves to serve their masters well. The Bible, particularly the new testament, generally accepts the political systems as they are. It never instructs people to overthrow or rebel against their governments or kings, but instead instructs people to respect authority.

Romans 13
Submission to Governing Authorities

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
 
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Goshin said:
Then there are grey areas where sincere people can have honest disagreement.... how to keep the Sabbath, and which day; abortion could be considered somewhat debateable as there is not a clear commandment; What Political Jersey Would Jesus Wear is certainly a silly thing to use as a yardstick, IMO.
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My favorite quote dealing with this comes from Paul:

Romans 14 said:
1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
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When I first read this verse, I was floored. If people lived by this, the church would be so fundamentally different today, I doubt I could predict the different form of it. Amazing wisdom here.

However, there are many who (in my opinion) wrap Christianity up and complicate it with this or that and forget the one fundamental, that they do get past themselves and judge people when we should be encouraging each other. Ultimately though, while I do not like it, the view that one must hold a certain political principal to be a true Christian does exist and this thread was an attempt in probing it to learn more about what drives these people.
 
upsideguy said:
He is correct. There is nothing in the Bible that admonishes the idea of slavery... and it instructs slaves to serve their masters well. The Bible, particularly the new testament, generally accepts the political systems as they are. It never instructs people to overthrow or rebel against their governments or kings, but instead instructs people to respect authority.
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A lot of people simply go with their knee-jerk reaction, thinking about Colonel Sanders ownin' dem Darkies and whuppin' 'em, and know nothing about ancient history, cultures or customs.

If you went broke in a big way in ancient times (say your crops got eaten by locusts, raiders stole all your sheep and your oxen died of apoplexy), there was no Welfare safety net... if your kin couldn't help you, you and your family would starve. OR... you could sell yourself into slavery/servitude to a rich man, and be taken care of modestly in return for your labor.

Virtually ALL ancient cultures and races practiced slavery of some kind. The details varied. Slaves might or might not have certain rights; slavery might be forever or only for a limited time period. In some cases it was little different from being an employee on a seven-year contract.

In such a time, the Bible set limits on how long someone could be a slave or servant, as well as limits on the master's treatment of slaves.

Slavery was an ethical step UP from being sacrificed to Moloch... which is what primitive tribes usually did with prisoners and captives until they had an agricultural surplus.
 
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sangha said:
It depends on what one means by "Christian"

Even christians argue about that the term means
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Defining someone who follows a religion, is like trying to define what's normal!? It varies from person to person or accepted ideas within a set group of people.
 
megaprogman said:
My favorite quote dealing with this comes from Paul:



When I first read this verse, I was floored. If people lived by this, the church would be so fundamentally different today, I doubt I could predict the different form of it. Amazing wisdom here.

However, there are many who (in my opinion) wrap Christianity up and complicate it with this or that and forget the one fundamental, that they do get past themselves and judge people when we should be encouraging each other. Ultimately though, while I do not like it, the view that one must hold a certain political principal to be a true Christian does exist and this thread was an attempt in probing it to learn more about what drives these people.
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I hear ya. So many get bogged down in legalism, and in things that aren't even really in the Bible: things that are simply cultural norms rather than moral issues, even. Tiresome.
 
Jerry said:
We were never wrong about slavery.

There is nothing immoral or unethical about biblical slavery. It's little different then modern contract labor.
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No. Contractors willingly enter that line of work, they get paid, and they can come and go as they please. Their also exempt from beatings, and being treated as personal property to be inherited. Slavery was never morally acceptable, because it strips a man of every last human right possible. It's disgusting, and inexcusable. From the Bible itself:

Leviticus 25:44-46 NIV said:
44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
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Exodus 21:20-21 NIV said:
Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
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Luke 12:47-48 NIV said:
47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
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These are just three examples. They weren't treated like contractors, they were treated like farm animals to be beaten, bought, and sold.
 
When it comes to politics the only ones that can really NOT be Christian are Communists.
 
Juiposa said:
When it comes to politics the only ones that can really NOT be Christian are Communists.
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Actually, they can, and very easily. Communism is a system where there are no social classes, no personal gain, or possession. Jesus was against monetary wealth, and was all about the impoverished, wandering beggar, who had no possessions except the clothes on his back, and a bowl. Any political system could fit right in with Biblical doctrine.
 
Lokiate said:
Actually, they can, and very easily. Communism is a system where there are no social classes, no personal gain, or possession. Jesus was against monetary wealth, and was all about the impoverished, wandering beggar, who had no possessions except the clothes on his back, and a bowl. Any political system could fit right in with Biblical doctrine.
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Not communism because part of being a communist is the rejection of religion and the adoption of atheism. So technically no they can't.
 
Juiposa said:
Not communism because part of being a communist is the rejection of religion and the adoption of atheism. So technically no they can't.
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Marx and most communists reject religion, but there is nothing about a classless, stateless society that requires no religion.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Marx and most communists reject religion, but there is nothing about a classless, stateless society that requires no religion.
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Yeah but were not just talking about a Classless stateless society, were talking about Communism, a specific form of this that does require no religion.
 
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