I hate this argument, you are not given a name until you are born, so why are you given your rites before you are born?
And in my mind unicorns leap rainbows while pooping gold.
What happens in our mind isn't reality. At best, you can say in your own incorrect, misinformed, opinion of what the law is that it is murder in your mind...and I guess that would be true, just for you. It wouldn't be true in reality though, because in reality, at least in the states doing it in this country, it IS legal.
For example, lets relate your thought process to something else. "Speeding" as its generally defined is illegally expeeding the speed limit on the road. Well, if you thought Speed Limits were illegal would you not be "speeding" if you were going 75 in a 55? Maybe in your OPINION you weren't, but in reality, under the law, and by definition...yes, you would still be speeding.
Just because you don't think state executions are legal doesn't mean they aren't, at this point in time, legal and therefore at worst its an immoral killing not murder
Recent high profile executions have resulted in a resurgence of debate about the death penalty. One thing I'm noticing is that, several times now, I have seen a post by someone who has told me in the past that it's wrong to call abortion murder (because abortion is legal) yet calling an execution murder. I do concede that abortion is not legally defined as murder, but then, wouldn't the same be true of the death penalty?
So, what do you think? Is carrying out the death penalty murder? Explain why or why not.
What about a proffesional driver? With a perfectly clear view of the way ahead. What if this said person then went 75mph with 100% certianty there was no risk to anyone. Would this person not be "speeding" in the way you use it? Wouldn't his version of speeding be above the average persons. And if the awnser is yes then wouldnt a smarter persons "speeding" factor be above a dumb persons?
Hrm... Wait, how does this relate to the death penalty topic... Aww **** it.
What about a proffesional driver? With a perfectly clear view of the way ahead. What if this said person then went 75mph with 100% certianty there was no risk to anyone. Would this person not be "speeding" in the way you use it?
That statement was meant to be targeting my own rambling about speeding.It relates to what legal and illegal mean. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being. Laws are not defined by an individual's opinion, they are defined by legislation.
The death penalty might be immoral to someone (I am in this camp, myself), but that doesn't make it murder.
The key is that "murder" does not mean "the immoral killing of a human".
That statement was meant to be targeting my own rambling about speeding.
Do you think that there is a law against naming a fetus?
lol no, but just because you name something does not mean that that it has rites.
Ah, so when your previous argument of "you are not given a name until you are born, so why are you given your rites before you are born?" was shown to be nonsense, you move the goalposts accordingly.
Noted.
Both would indicate that naming something has nothing to do with whether it has rites or not.
Alright, the government has the rite to take away someones life, why can't it take away a fetuses? and lol at the straw man comment.
The obvious argument would be that the fetus does not receive the benefits of due process beforehand, whereas the executed criminal does receive due process.
I am arguing that the fetus doesn't have rites; therefore, it doesn't get due process.
Alright, the government has the rite to take away someones life, why can't it take away a fetuses? and lol at the straw man comment.
That statement was meant to be targeting my own rambling about speeding.
Then we agree. Murder is murder is murder is murder. Only on one end its sanctioned by the gov'ment and on the other its a person doing it for whatever reasons. You think legal murder is justified. So be it but to me its still murder. Its just killing wrapped up in another word.Well, if he's on a public road, with a 55 mph, and went 75 mph, then he's illegally exceeding the speed limit and the fact he's a "professional" driver doesn't matter. He may THINK that it shouldn't be illegal because he's a professional and the roads clear and he could drive it perfectly fine and therefore its not speeding....but it'd still be speeding in reality.
Then we agree. Murder is murder is murder is murder.
Only on one end its sanctioned by the gov'ment and on the other its a person doing it for whatever reasons. You think legal murder is justified.
No, it would be like calling incarceration kidnapping.So, what do you think? Is carrying out the death penalty murder? Explain why or why not.
Correct, murder is murder is murder.
Or stated another equal way
Illegal killing is illegal killing is illegal killing
Murder, IE illegal killing, that is sanctioned by the government can be murder if that sanctioned activity is illegal. For a hypothetical, if an entity of the government hired someone to assassinate someone that'd be murder sanctioned by a government entity. However, since the death penalty is LEGAL that is not a form of murder.
Also, saying "legal murder" makes no sense because for murder to have occured it requires it to be an illegal killing. What you're saying would be "Legal illegal killing" which makes zero sense. It'd be like saying a cold fire, or a liquid chunk of meat, or a truthful politician (). Murder by its definition is illegal killing, so you can't have "legal" murder. Just legal killing
Legal murder = Death by government justice. Its almost the same word repacked to make people feel better about themselves.
MURDER = Illegal Killing
You can't have legal illegal killing. The fact its legal means it isn't illegal.
What you're saying is akin to stating a "left right hand turn" or a "downward upwards jump" or a "backwards forward step".