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How long will you "blame Bush"?

How long will you blame Bush

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ah, now I see we are resorting to silly Conservative cliche's.

Forgive me for whining about Bush, but he pathetically failed to discover & prevent a terrorist attack that hit me very personally.
Have you noticed the irony of the right wingnuts fighting to get in the "blame Clinton" line -- in a thread which asks how long the left will "blame Bush?"

:lamo :lamo :lamo

How about they get over their blame Clinton mentality first? What'dya say?
 
ah, now I see we are resorting to silly Conservative cliche's.

Forgive me for whining about Bush, but he pathetically failed to discover & prevent a terrorist attack that hit me very personally.

The threat started it before Bush was elected. This was even told to you but you pathetically continue to deny it.
 
You're blaming Bush because he had eight months? Clinton had eight years, from the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, to the end of his second term. The failure is his.
And after the '93 attack, there were no more attacks by al-qaeda inside the U.S. And it's not because al-qeada gave up trying, several attacks were thwarted.

Do you even realize what you you're saying is the equivalent of saying George Bush did nothing after 9.11 to protect the U.S. because we had a terrorist attack inside the U.S. while Obama was president.

I suppose you blame the '93 WTC attack on Bush senior and the Fort Hood attck on Bush Jr., right?
 
Not even the nuts like Ben Viniste came up with that nonsense

you whine about Bush with no evidence
Trust me, I'm not the only person here who sees that you are bluffing your inability to show what George Bush did to prevent an attack with ad-hominem jabs.

G'head ... show that Bush did something...

Provide an example of what actions Bush took during his first 8 months in office to hopefully thwart an attack ....

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What did Bush do during his first 8 months in office, to fight terrorism?

Clinton's team that you so want to point out was undermined by the Intelligence agencies, its leaders, and was stopped before anything was really done because some of the members didn't like each other. The information they could get was ignored and half put together. It was a total failure. The homeland security team didn't have any power what so ever to reach its objective. It was more of a political stunt than anything.

While I admit bush could of done more you should admit the blame is not only on his hands. I see you won't.
 
Clinton's team that you so want to point out was undermined by the CIA, its leaders, and was stopped before anything was really done because some of the members didn't like each other. The information they could get was ignored and half put together. It was a total failure. The homeland security team didn't have any power what so ever to reach its objective. It was more of a political stunt than anything...

do you have any evidence for these claims?
 
One of the most dishonest tactics by the extreme left is asking people who don't have security clearances what "Bush did" and then claim since people who don't have that information cannot give a complete answer, that Bush did nothing. Its a pathetic juvenile trick that is common among extremists. The fact is even a commission stocked with hacks like Richard Ben Veniste, who was a joke and was placed to try to bash the GOP as much as possible couldn't say Bush failed.
 
And what about Dodd and Frank? During 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006, the period when the housing market was ballooning out of control, Dodd and Frank were members of the minority party and had no control over the Congress' ability to pass oversight. Republicans were in control. How on Earth do you give them a pass while trying desperately to blame Dodd and Frank??

You do realize Dodd and Frank were powerful members and authors to much of the bills to become law, yes?

I am noticing a pattern however among the acolyte sycophants... 9.11 happens on after 8 monthsd of Bush ignoring terrorism ... the rightie wingnuts blame Clinton. The economy melts down after 8 years of Bush in office ... the rightie wingnuts blame Clinton. No doubt if McCain had won in 2008, y'all would still be blaming Clinton. You should thank Obama for winning the election so you have someone other than Clinton to blame. :lol:[/COLOR]

While its fun to ignore that things progress and aren't just stopped in between presidencies some of us think its more productive to not ignore it.
 
It was the same terrorist group. It was the 1993 attack that took them from being the “relatively unknown terrorism group” that carried out that attack to being the “very well known terrorist group” that carried out the 9/11 attack.
You cannot wipe clean your dishonesty.

You tried (and failed) to compare al-qeda in 1993 when they were unknown, with al-qaeda in 2001, after they had committed numerous acts of terror around the globe.


It's now known that this group had its goals set since some time in the 1980s to destroy the World Trade Center. And it was Clinton's negligence that allowed the now “very well known terrorist group” to continue operating, and to continue planning and preparing for the second attack.
Again, what you call "negligence", Reagan's former counter-terrorism abassadors call "obsessive."

How do you reconsile the difference of opinions?
 
One of the most dishonest tactics by the extreme left is asking people who don't have security clearances what "Bush did" and then claim since people who don't have that information cannot give a complete answer, that Bush did nothing. Its a pathetic juvenile trick that is common among extremists....


that's all well in good. now, what did Bush do to fight terrorism during his first 8 months in office?

btw, I have a friend who is former CIA, DOD, and now works for the State Dept. I'm sure he has a lot more security clearance than both of us.
 
another dishonest attack is to claim Bush was "warned" about this attack. Its akin to a local precinct getting 500 tips in a week that a bank is going to be robbed and each tip names a different bank and when a bank does get robbed, the extremists blame the police chief for not stopping the attack.
 
that's all well in good. now, what did Bush do to fight terrorism during his first 8 months in office?

btw, I have a friend who is former CIA, DOD, and now works for the State Dept. I'm sure he has a lot more security clearance than both of us.

Yeah sure and I have connections to the former US Attorney general and he still isn't going to tell me all he knows.
 
another dishonest attack is to claim Bush was "warned" about this attack. Its akin to a local precinct getting 500 tips in a week that a bank is going to be robbed and each tip names a different bank and when a bank does get robbed, the extremists blame the police chief for not stopping the attack.

OK, then I urge you to defend Bush's record. What did he do to fight terrorism during his first 8 months in office?

This was 10 years ago, remember?
 
that's really stupid to ask. Most of that is still classified. i doubt you have that sort of security clearance
Bull****. Even the 2001 PDB warning Bush of an attack was de-classified.

One of the biggest criticisms of George Bush was his indifference to al-qaeda leading up to 9.11. According to your devout defense, Bush could show the world he actually did something ... anything ... but he chooses not to. Keep in mind, you're making this ludicrous claim against the same administration which declassiifed intelligence regarding Valerie Plame when it was convenient to do so.

I'll chalk this up to --- you have nothing but insults to describe what George Bush did during his first 8 months to thwart an attack.
 
OK, then I urge you to defend Bush's record. What did he do to fight terrorism during his first 8 months in office?

This was 10 years ago, remember?

is part of your tactic to ask the same stupid question over and over and over again
 
Bull****. Even the 2001 PDB warning Bush of an attack was de-classified.

One of the biggest criticisms of George Bush was his indifference to al-qaeda leading up to 9.11. According to your devout defense, Bush could show the world he actually did something ... anything ... but he chooses not to. Keep in mind, you're making this ludicrous claim against the same administration which declassiifed intelligence regarding Valerie Plame when it was convenient to do so.

I'll chalk this up to --- you have nothing but insults to describe what George Bush did during his first 8 months to thwart an attack.


we will put you down as blaming Bush irrationally for ever
 
That all changed in 1993. For nearly all of Clinton's time a President, this threat was known. He had nearly eight years to act on it, and he did nothing of any use.
If that were true, how come Bush did nothing about al-qaeda until his 8th month in office? You're making Bush sound even more incompetent than ever.
 
If that were true, how come Bush did nothing about al-qaeda until his 8th month in office? You're making Bush sound even more incompetent than ever.

Bush didn't give a **** about terrorism or OBL. That's why Clinton's plan to destroy Al Qaeda was taken seriously AFTER 9-11.

That's why John Ashcroft did not consider anti-terrorism efforts to be a priority for the Justice Dept.
 
why do you refuse to defend Bush's anti-terrorism record pre-911?

Is this another one of your tactics? I see straw men walking
 
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