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How long will you "blame Bush"?

How long will you blame Bush

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No, it's actually like supporters of Ted Bundy crying that Jeffrey Dahmer was a killer.
As opposed to the morons that are suggesting Dahmer was a BETTER mass murderer? Come on..ya gotta at LEAST admit that...right???

Do you Petes even read what you write?
 
But I don't see any bush* critics saying that Obama is doing a good job on the economy, so I don't see the equivalency between the left and the right. Instead, I see large portions of the left complaining that Obama is a lot like bush* on a # of fronts (ex war, economy, govt secrecy, PATRIOT Act, SSM, etc)

I see large portions on the left not going after Obama as rabidly as they went after Bush for the same things. Like the war, Obama has expanded it. But people didn't speak out aggressively against Obama drone bombing his way through the Middle East. Or the healthcare thing, it's pretty much the same as Medicaid Part D for insurance companies; but there's not a lot of speaking out. Or the proliferation of tax cuts to the wealthy. Only now is there criticism, but a lot of it is still directed at Bush, not Obama. Gitmo? Patriot Act? Warrantless tapping and searches? TSA power? Hell not even the Real ID Act has been formally revoked, it's just been suspended because the States finally stood up and told the federal government to take a long walk off a short pier. These things were all proliferated under Obama; but where's the outrage?

See both sides play the same game.
 
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As opposed to the morons that are suggesting Dahmer was a BETTER mass murderer? Come on..ya gotta at LEAST admit that...right???

Do you Petes even read what you write?

Do you?

Then why no criticism for the wingnut who claimed that Obama was worse than bush* and then fled the thread? I guess that's just your "non-partisanship" at work. :roll:
 
No, I mean Bush-ear policies/tax cuts/spending that Obama and the Democrats tried their best to undo and the GOP insisted stay. Sorry, but you don't get to blame the GOP's continuing mistakes on Obama when he has fought you tooth and toenail - and has recently proposed yet another attempt to change the direction.

Few bother to check the record. The majority of Democrats voted against extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
I see large portions on the left not going after Obama as rabidly as they went after Bush for the same things. Like the war, Obama has expanded it. But people didn't speak out aggressively against Obama drone bombing his way through the Middle East. Or the healthcare thing, it's pretty much the same as Medicaid Part D for insurance companies; but there's not a lot of speaking out. Or the proliferation of tax cuts to the wealthy. Only now is there criticism, but a lot of it is still directed at Bush, not Obama. Gitmo? Patriot Act? Warrantless tapping and searches? TSA power? Hell not even the Real ID Act has been formally revoked, it's just been suspended because the States finally stood up and told the federal government to take a long walk off a short pier. These things were all proliferated under Obama; but where's the outrage?

See both sides play the same game.

I agree that there's some hypocrisy on both sides, but I don't think they're even close to being equal.

And there has been a lot of speaking out from the left about Obama concerning all the issues you mention. It's just that the media doesnt cover the left so much. But if you go to a leftwing website, like DU, you'll see plenty of it
 
Do you?

Then why no criticism for the wingnut who claimed that Obama was worse than bush* and then fled the thread? I guess that's just your "non-partisanship" at work. :roll:
Which wingnut are you referring to? I have never had a problem calling out republican ideological stupidity.
 
I agree that there's some hypocrisy on both sides, but I don't think they're even close to being equal.

And there has been a lot of speaking out from the left about Obama concerning all the issues you mention. It's just that the media doesnt cover the left so much. But if you go to a leftwing website, like DU, you'll see plenty of it

I don't know, I don't really see it in general. I have a lot of friends on both sides of the isles and I've seen their arguments change. To me who sits outside the system looking in, it's like 'how the hell can they even justify this to themselves?". Obama deserves a lot of criticism for being a ****ty president. So does Bush. But let's call a duck a duck. Both Bush and Obama are very similar, I don't even know which one could be considered "better"; they're both ****.
 
Few bother to check the record. The majority of Democrats voted against extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

you mean the tax cuts that everyone who paid taxes got? weeeeeeee I'm wealthy now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Which wingnut are you referring to? I have never had a problem calling out republican ideological stupidity.

It was the one with the incomprehensible handle Pzkf..whatever. I even reposted it. It obviously flew right past you without your noticing it.
 
As opposed to the morons that are suggesting Dahmer was a BETTER mass murderer? Come on..ya gotta at LEAST admit that...right???

Do you Petes even read what you write?
You're becoming unhinged, Vance. I never suggested Dahmer was a better mass murderer. Maybe the reason you find no value in talking to some on this forum stems from your own inability to understand what people are telling you?
 
It was the one with the incomprehensible handle Pzkf..whatever. I even reposted it. It obviously flew right past you without your noticing it.
Obviously. And since you care so much, post it and I'll glance at it. Its not like I didnt spend a whole thread with Conservative doing the same thing.

My record is pretty consistent. BOTH parties have spent us into a whole. BOTH parties are more invested in partisan power than the good of the country. BOTH parties share the blame. BOTH presidents own their role (as I have said several times in this thread). And yes...myopic ideological morons on BOTH sides continue to support parties and sending the same garbage to congress and the white house and continue to thump their chest like they are
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I see large portions on the left not going after Obama as rabidly as they went after Bush for the same things. Like the war, Obama has expanded it. But people didn't speak out aggressively against Obama drone bombing his way through the Middle East. Or the healthcare thing, it's pretty much the same as Medicaid Part D for insurance companies; but there's not a lot of speaking out. Or the proliferation of tax cuts to the wealthy. Only now is there criticism, but a lot of it is still directed at Bush, not Obama. Gitmo? Patriot Act? Warrantless tapping and searches? TSA power? Hell not even the Real ID Act has been formally revoked, it's just been suspended because the States finally stood up and told the federal government to take a long walk off a short pier. These things were all proliferated under Obama; but where's the outrage?

See both sides play the same game.

You make a good case for what I have always said, Obama is no liberal. I voted for Obama for the same reason a starving person would eat a rat. Too bad we never have any viable liberal candidates to vote for.
 
you mean the tax cuts that everyone who paid taxes got? weeeeeeee I'm wealthy now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying you are ignorant of the fact that the wealthy got bigger tax cuts under Bush?
 
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You make a good case for what I have always said, Obama is no liberal. I voted for Obama for the same reason a starving person would eat a rat. Too bad we never have any viable liberal candidates to vote for.

That's what the third parties are for.
 
That's what the third parties are for.

Who was the viable liberal candidate in 2008? Who is the viable liberal candidate for 2012?
 
Who was the viable liberal candidate in 2008? Who is the viable liberal candidate for 2012?

Well liberal tends not to be my thing, but the Green and Progressive parties seem along that line. You should look into it.
 
Well liberal tends not to be my thing, but the Green and Progressive parties seem along that line. You should look into it.

As the moderate Obama is considered a socialist by a large chunk on the right, you know, I just don't see a liberal having a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
 
Are you saying you are ignorant of the fact that the wealthy got bigger tax cuts under Bush?

10% of $10000 > 10% of $100 > 10% of $0
 
As the moderate Obama is considered a socialist by a large chunk on the right, you know, I just don't see a liberal having a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

Well it's either do something different and vote for who YOU think the best candidate is and the one who best echoes your political beliefs; or sticking with the status quo. For me, I can no longer abide the status quo.
 
10% of $10000 > 10% of $100 > 10% of $0

Are you unaware of the Bush tax cuts on capital gains and inheritance, or simply omitting them because they disprove your claim???
 
Well it's either do something different and vote for who YOU think the best candidate is and the one who best echoes your political beliefs; or sticking with the status quo. For me, I can no longer abide the status quo.

Not from my point of view, I prefer many of changes that Obama has made over what McCain promised. Throwing away my vote for a candidate that doesn't have even a slim chance of winning and thereby allowing the worst candidate to win, doesn't make sense to me personally.
 
Not from my point of view, I prefer many of changes that Obama has made over what McCain promised. Throwing away my vote for a candidate that doesn't have even a slim chance of winning and thereby allowing the worst candidate to win, doesn't make sense to me personally.

Well how much are things different than what we would have had under McCain. You can vote any way you want, but voting for the lesser of two evils leaves you with evil. Both sides of the Republocrats make this argument, and love to say "throwing away your vote" to belittle those who actually think. But really the main difference y'all are presenting us is the speed by which we get to hell. Neither of ya are changing the destination. You can bitch and complain about the DNC putting up Obama and not being "liberal" or whatever; but that's all you're gonna get. That's how the parties have aligned themselves in our modern political circus. To me what doesn't make sense is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results each time. Which is what people who support the Republocrats thinking it will lead to changes in the Republocrats will do. In fact, I think one called that the definition of insanity. If you do not like where the status quo has taken us, support of the status quo will not change that. It's that simple.
 
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Also, the bush* admin claimed that they KNEW that Saddam had nukes and knew where they were. A blatant lie

Another straw man from the right

Speaking of straw men, I have no doubt you're still looking for those sources I asked you for, right? You being the honest Independent that you are. Or maybe you'd like to admit that what you said was hasty, and totally ****ing wrong. Now whatever you decide to post in front of me better have exact quotes, and I mean exact. And we're talking about bombs that go BOOM, not parts laying in a warehouse. And just to clear about bush, this is George W. Bush, we're talking about.

Now go find them. I'll be checking back in.
 
Well how much are things different than what we would have had under McCain.

To name just a few, we have abolished DADT, we passed the first step towards UHC, we stopped the spiral into another Great depression, we are winding down 2 wars (although not as quickly as I would have preferred), we are not at war with Iran, we have invested more in alternative energy than in any presidency in history, we have taken steps to reduce our CO2, and hopefully the Bush tax cuts will finally be eliminated.

You can vote any way you want, but voting for the lesser of two evils leaves you with evil.

I don't think that not having my vision of utopia realized is necessarily evil. I think some gains in the right direction are better than going in the completely wrong direction.

Both sides of the Republocrats make this argument, and love to say "throwing away your vote" to belittle those who actually think. But really the main difference y'all are presenting us is the speed by which we get to hell. Neither of ya are changing the destination. You can bitch and complain about the DNC putting up Obama and not being "liberal" or whatever; but that's all you're gonna get. That's how the parties have aligned themselves in our modern political circus. To me what doesn't make sense is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results each time. Which is what people who support the Republocrats thinking it will lead to changes in the Republocrats will do. In fact, I think one called that the definition of insanity. If you do not like where the status quo has taken us, support of the status quo will not change that. It's that simple.

I respect your decision to vote for who you wish and am not knocking you for it. I have found you to be sincere in your beliefs, many of which I share.

Peace!
 
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