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How long will you "blame Bush"?

How long will you blame Bush

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Under the Obama administration, we have continued to with these wars, and have even increased our involvement.

If these wars are really so bad an idea, then why hasn't Obama pulled us out of them, like he said he would do when he was campaigning? At what point will you put some of the blame on Obama for continuing to keep us involved in these wars?

This is totally dishonest. Obama has been following through with the withdrawal schedules negotiated between the Bush White House, Iraq, & Afghanistan. He is also taking into account the judgement and recomendations of the Pentagon. No responsible American would have him do it any other way.
 
This is totally dishonest. Obama has been following through with the withdrawal schedules negotiated between the Bush White House, Iraq, & Afghanistan. He is also taking into account the judgement and recomendations of the Pentagon. No responsible American would have him do it any other way.

that is right, the Iraqis have wanted us to stay. blaming Bush for us still being in Iraq is totally dishonest
 
that is right, the Iraqis have wanted us to stay. blaming Bush for us still being in Iraq is totally dishonest

Bush's administration negotiated a withdrawal schedule with both nations.

Obama is following through with these schedules, while consulting the Pentagon.

what's the problem? I see none.


.......but yes, Bush got us into these wars in the first place, and he takes the blame for starting them. Do you want to blame Obama for the Iraq & Afghanistan wars? That's pretty silly & foolish.
 
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Identify the ideologue who is defending the fact that his retard King has managed to maintain unemployment rates since he was president...and that managed to accrue debt at a far faster rate than 'the other guy'. One of us left a party because of the other guy. You defend yours. Thats comical. no...wait...its pathetic.
A poster made the absurd claim that the Obama presidency has been "very much worse" than the Bush presidency.

I'm highlighting the absurdity of that comment. I also hightlight how the poster who made that comment was smart enough to run away from it rather than defend it.

Speaking of comical, we have you posting delusions ... such as the debt was at 9 trillion when Obama became president and that it's increased 6.5 trillion since then.
 
Bob? Got those quotes yet??
 
If you subtract out the amount of debt incurred under Obama because of the Bush era bailout mandates and the Bush era tax cuts, Obama shines next to GWB.

We also should subtract out all the money paid to service the debt piled up by Reagan, GHWB and bush*. And then there's the money spent on programs passed under bush* by the republicans like Medicare D, HSA, TSA, etc
 
You claim better or worse. Only an ideologue would look at ANY of those statistics and claim pride in his retard king. No wonder they have little concern about the upcoming reelection. The president isnt elected so they can take a bad situation and make it worse or maintain it. You crow with pride that your selected retard King has managed to maintain throughout the course of his presidency an unemployment rate ranging from 16 to 18 percent. Good lord, Pete...seriously. It's time to lay off the kool aid.

Your claim that Sheik has "claim(ed) pride" is dishonest, and seems designed to hide the fact the Sheik explicitely held Obama responsible for the increase in unemployment that occurred since he took office. Meanwhile, you have nothing to say about the 92% increase in unemployment under bush* so you can blame Obama for all the unemployment. That has not gone unnoticed
 
Bush's administration negotiated a withdrawal schedule with both nations.

and those schedules have been renegotiated on more than one occasion. blaming Bush for us still being in Iraq is partisan crap, plain and simple.



.......but yes, Bush got us into these wars in the first place, and he takes the blame for starting them. Do you want to blame Obama for the Iraq & Afghanistan wars? That's pretty silly & foolish.

actually I blame Clinton and the democrats. If the dem controlled congress would've let us go in during desert storm and kill Saddam at that time, there would've been no excuse to go back in '03. And if Clinton had taken bin Laden when he was offered to him on a silver platter....no excuse to go to Afghanistan either.
 
Under the Obama administration, we have continued to with these wars, and have even increased our involvement.

If these wars are really so bad an idea, then why hasn't Obama pulled us out of them, like he said he would do when he was campaigning? At what point will you put some of the blame on Obama for continuing to keep us involved in these wars?

The left already blames Obama for continuing those wars. It's only the right who hypocritically claims that bush* is blameless and it's all Obamas' fault.

And, though I disagree with his war policies, Obama did not promise to withdraw immediately from Iraq and he promised to expand our efforts in Aghanistan. Your claims about what he said during his campaign are dishonest
 
Identify the ideologue who is defending the fact that his retard King has managed to maintain unemployment rates since he was president...and that managed to accrue debt at a far faster rate than 'the other guy'. One of us left a party because of the other guy. You defend yours. Thats comical. no...wait...its pathetic.

Pointing out the increase in unemployment has been lower under Obama than it was under bush* is not "a defense"; It's "a fact"

And it's a fact you can't seem to admit or address
 
Your claim that Sheik has "claim(ed) pride" is dishonest, and seems designed to hide the fact the Sheik explicitely held Obama responsible for the increase in unemployment that occurred since he took office. Meanwhile, you have nothing to say about the 92% increase in unemployment under bush* so you can blame Obama for all the unemployment. That has not gone unnoticed
Mindless ideologues of a feather....you are all Pete.

You really dont see where I have criticized Bush? Really? Ive never been exactly 'complimentary' of either party, now have I? And pounding your chest in pride over EITHER of these groups is simple stupidity. Study the chart. Obama was elected to be president and solve problems. He has maintained sustained failure. He has incurred more debt more rapidly. I left a party over Bush and republicans and their fiscal irresponsibility. The Pete somehow manage to convince yourselves that there is a difference and a 'better'. Pathetic.
 
Pointing out the increase in unemployment has been lower under Obama than it was under bush* is not "a defense"; It's "a fact"

And it's a fact you can't seem to admit or address
If I hire a CEO to fix my company and that CEO manages to sustain consistent rates of failure ("but boss...percentage wise...I didnt lose as much." No you simple minded mother ****er...you SUSTAINED FAILURE YOUR ENTIRE TIME YOU WERE HIRED!), I dont equivocate or make excuses...I recognize him as a failure and fire his ass.

Dont know how many different ways I can put it. Bush maintained an average unemployment rate of around 6 percent. Obama maintains an average unemplyment rate of around 9%. You really want to pick a 'winner'? :lamo
 
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Mindless ideologues of a feather....you are all Pete.

You really dont see where I have criticized Bush? Really? Ive never been exactly 'complimentary' of either party, now have I? And pounding your chest in pride over EITHER of these groups is simple stupidity. Study the chart. Obama was elected to be president and solve problems. He has maintained sustained failure. He has incurred more debt more rapidly. I left a party over Bush and republicans and their fiscal irresponsibility. The Pete somehow manage to convince yourselves that there is a difference and a 'better'. Pathetic.

Translation - VM can't actually quote where Sheik expressed "pride" in Obamas' record on unemployment so he tosses out some ad homs to distract.

And we're not talking about your entire history on DP or even in this thread. We're talking about how you have completely failed to respond to the FACT that under bush*, unemployment increased 92% compared to Obama's 16%

Do you not think that increasing UE by 16% is "better" (or in this case, less worse) than increasing it by 92%?
 
If I hire a CEO to fix my company and that CEO manages to sustain consistent rates of failure ("but boss...percentage wise...I didnt lose as much." No you simple minded mother ****er...you SUSTAINED FAILURE YOUR ENTIRE TIME YOU WERE HIRED!), I dont equivocate or make excuses...I recognize him as a failure and fire his ass.

And once again you fail to address whether increasing UE by 92% is better or worse than increasing it by 16% and instead pretend that someone said that one is good and the other is bad
 
and those schedules have been renegotiated on more than one occasion. blaming Bush for us still being in Iraq is partisan crap, plain and simple.
WTF? Obama said he would pull our combat troops out and that's what he did.
 
WTF? Obama said he would pull our combat troops out and that's what he did.

yeah "combat troops" too bad that 90% of the troops don't qualify as "combat troops". semantics to fool the ignorant masses....and it worked.
 
Mindless ideologues of a feather....you are all Pete.
What is "Pete?" Is that your code word for Liberals who club you with facts like you were a baby seal?

He has incurred more debt more rapidly.
Now how do you figure that? The debt was already increasing at a rate of about $1.5 trillion a year before Obama was even elected and the debt has continued to grow at an average rate of about $1.5 trillion a year since Obama became president. (Your delusions that the debt has grown $6.5 trillion not withstanding).

I left a party over Bush and republicans and their fiscal irresponsibility. The Pete somehow manage to convince yourselves that there is a difference and a 'better'. Pathetic.
Ok, so you left the Republican party -- who are you voting for next year? Obama, the Republican, a third party candidate, or are you not voting at all?
 
and those schedules have been renegotiated on more than one occasion. blaming Bush for us still being in Iraq is partisan crap, plain and simple....

this is highly dishonest, as the plan negotiated with Iraq by Bush called for ALL American troops to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011.
 
And once again you fail to address whether increasing UE by 92% is better or worse than increasing it by 16% and instead pretend that someone said that one is good and the other is bad
You keep playing with percentages as excuse and justifcation...I'll stick with reality. Obama maintains 9% unemployment. Actually unemployment is consistently higher. He is a dismal failure. Of course...you ideologues want to keep claiming a 'winner.' Thats some Charlie Sheen tigers blood kinda winning there baby. On the plus side...Pete has you and Thunder on his side...so...set and match...
 
This certainly explains Afghanistan.Iraq, not so much.

Actually, it does.
They were not going for justice, that would be absurd. They were going for a violent display of fear. (Fictional: See Kaizer Soze, Gangs of New York, non-fiction: see most rulers in history)

Muslim extremists originating from the middle-east, bombed the ****ing pentagon of the U.S. You think the military boys in this country are content to trade blows when they had just been globally shamed, attacked, and hurt? hey wanted to put a big ****ing boot squarely in the middle east, and cap a ruler or two. That was the message they wanted to send, as a result of 9/11. You can oppose that tactic on all sorts of grounds, but let's not misunderstand the nature of why they did what they did.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but you know what I mean. Given the responses we get from half the guys on the forum in cop/gun related threads, I think you know what I mean...
 
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You keep playing with percentages as excuse and justifcation...I'll stick with reality. Obama maintains 9% unemployment. Actually unemployment is consistently higher. He is a dismal failure. Of course...you ideologues want to keep claiming a 'winner.' Thats some Charlie Sheen tigers blood kinda winning there baby. On the plus side...Pete has you and Thunder on his side...so...set and match...

No, you keep dishonestly claiming that someone has excused or justified unemployment when all that has been done is to point out that bush* increased UE by more than Obama has.

When will you admit that bush* record of increasing unemployment (by 92%) is worse than Obamas' (16%) (Please note that by saying "worse than" I am in no way "excusing" or "justifying" it)
 
No, you keep dishonestly claiming that someone has excused or justified unemployment when all that has been done is to point out that bush* increased UE by more than Obama has.

When will you admit that bush* record of increasing unemployment (by 92%) is worse than Obamas' (16%) (Please note that by saying "worse than" I am in no way "excusing" or "justifying" it)

doesn't matter.

saying Bush increased unemployment worse than Obama is like saying dog **** tastes worse than cat ****. it doesn't change the fact that Obama tastes like ****.
 
What is "Pete?" Is that your code word for Liberals who club you with facts like you were a baby seal?


Now how do you figure that? The debt was already increasing at a rate of about $1.5 trillion a year before Obama was even elected and the debt has continued to grow at an average rate of about $1.5 trillion a year since Obama became president. (Your delusions that the debt has grown $6.5 trillion not withstanding).


Ok, so you left the Republican party -- who are you voting for next year? Obama, the Republican, a third party candidate, or are you not voting at all?
Pete are the people here that are as predictable as pulling a string. There is no value in talking to them because they are mindless ideologues. You didnt used ta qualify...now? Yeah...Pete. But clubbing like a baby seal? Sriously? You think you warrant so much as an increase in blood pressure?

Who will I be voting for? Well...it depends...since we dont actually know who will be on the ballots, but unless something radical changes i will be voting for Wayne Allen Root for president. We'll see though. Ive also said it before...if by some miracle they changed the constitution and allowed Bill to run again I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
 
doesn't matter.

saying Bush increased unemployment worse than Obama is like saying dog **** tastes worse than cat ****. it doesn't change the fact that Obama tastes like ****.

The argument was made by a rightwinger who claimed that Obamas' record was far warse than bush*. If you have a problem with it, bring it up with the wingnut.
 
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