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How long will you "blame Bush"?

How long will you blame Bush

  • Less than one more year

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Until this term is over

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Forever.

    Votes: 23 71.9%

  • I'm done blaming Bush.

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • Total voters
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Gipper said:
Pretty simple - for people who just like to say "I blame Bush" over and over, how much longer do we have to hear it?
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We were under Bush's policies when the economy went into the ****ter. I blame him amongst others for that. Thirty years from now it will still be his policies that started the current mess. I blame Obama for not doing more about it after passing the first stimulus. It seems he forgot about focusing on jobs and he should be criticized for it, but that doesn't mean that someone can say he started the mess.

Reality is reality regardless of whether or not you tire of hearing how terrible the last republican president was.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
Yes... your statement -is- a blatant lie, as the Bush administration made no such claim.
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""We know where the WMDs are" - Donald Rumsfeld

"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder" - bush*

"We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons" - Cheney

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories" - bush*

Those are just a few of the lies about nukes. There's also lies about Al-Queda connections, biological weapons, chemical weapons, Iraqi involvement in 9/11, the cost of the war and the length of the war

http://www.americanprogress.org/kf/priraqclaimfact1029.htm
 
roughdraft274 said:
Reality is reality regardless of whether or not you tire of hearing how terrible the last republican president was...
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Same then can be said regarding how so very much worse the current Dem president is than His predecessor.
 
sangha said:
""We know where the WMDs are" - Donald Rumsfeld
"The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder" - bush*
"We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons" - Cheney
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories" - bush*
Those are just a few of the lies about nukes
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:lol:

I was wrong.
You did not lie.
A lie is when someone makes a statement that he knows is not true.
You had - no idea- that the statement you made was not true, as evidenced by your laughable attempt to support that statement.

Thanks for the entertainment!
 
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PzKfW IVe said:
:lol:
I was wrong.
You did not lie.
A lie is when someone makes a statement that he knows is not true.
You had - no idea- that the statement you made was not true, as evidenced by your laughable attempt to support that statement.

Thanks for the entertainment!
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You're welcome. Thanks for the lies
 
VanceMack said:
When you can run on your economic record...create an enemy and use them as the new boogeyman.
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The creation of boogiemen and talking points is what the Republocrats do. That way you never have to argue anything of substance. You can just point your finger at the other side and say "See how bad they are!!!!"
 
Ikari said:
The creation of boogiemen and talking points is what the Republocrats do. That way you never have to argue anything of substance. You can just point your finger at the other side and say "See how bad they are!!!!"
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Yep. Both parties have the answers...right up until they have the responsibility. Its pretty sad. I blame Bush for every piece of defective legislation he signed. I blame Obama for every piece of defective legislation he has signed. I blame congres...both parties...for continuing to pass said defective legislation. And I blame the ideologues that keep sending those douchebags back to congress.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
Same then can be said regarding how so very much worse the current Dem president is than His predecessor.
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What about the current administration is "very much worse" than the previous one?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
What about the current administration is "very much worse" than the previous one?
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Where have you been for the past 2 1/2 years? Do you get the news where you live? :roll:
 
Hugh_Akston said:
Where have you been for the past 2 1/2 years? Do you get the news where you live? :roll:
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Ok, so you can't say what makes this administration worse.

Anybody else want to take a stab at it?
 
Hugh_Akston said:
Where have you been for the past 2 1/2 years? Do you get the news where you live? :roll:
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Its not like he ran up 7 trillion in debt in 8 years...just 6.5 trillion in 2.5 years. Sheesh. Get a little perspective willya?
 
VanceMack said:
Its not like he ran up 7 trillion in debt in 8 years...just 6.5 trillion in 2.5 years. Sheesh. Get a little perspective willya?
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We're up to 6.5 trillion now, are we?

I don't suppose you'd care to source that, would you?
 
What is the current unemployment rate? What has it been since the new guy took over? And Im not talking about the reported unemployment...Im talking current reported and those that have been on unemployment so long they have burned up all their benefits?

Consistent high unemployment, massive deficit spending, dismal ecological response to the gulf oil spill, most continuous cycles reporting zero to negatize economic growth, miserable response by his FEMA agency to the flooding in the New England region, low consumer confidence, signed a health care bill that STILL no one know how much it is actually going to cost and who ultimately will benefit from it...

Obamas responsibility...not Bush. On the plus side he has managed to contain GITMO...has continued to deny terrorists constitutional rights, has expanded black ops jails in the middle east, and has been pretty effective at following the Bush anti-terror doctrine. He gets credit for that.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
We're up to 6.5 trillion now, are we?

I don't suppose you'd care to source that, would you?
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9 trillion when Bush got out of office, Pete. What was the debt ceiling just raised to?
 
VanceMack said:
Its not like he ran up 7 trillion in debt in 8 years...just 6.5 trillion in 2.5 years. Sheesh. Get a little perspective willya?
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If you subtract out the amount of debt incurred under Obama because of the Bush era bailout mandates and the Bush era tax cuts, Obama shines next to GWB.
 
VanceMack said:
What is the current unemployment rate? What has it been since the new guy took over? And Im not talking about the reported unemployment...Im talking current reported and those that have been on unemployment so long they have burned up all their benefits?
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Then you would be talking about the U6 unemployment rate which is currently at 16.2%.

Under Bush, it went from 7.3% to 14% -- a 6.7 point increase, or a 92% increase

Under Obama, it went from 14% to 16.2% -- a 2.2 point increase, or a 16% increase

So how on Earth does that make Obama worse than Bush?

That's like having a pitcher give up 10 runs and then complain his backup is worse because the backup gave up two runs and now they're losing by 12-0 when it was only 10-0 before the reliever came in.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
If you subtract out the amount of debt incurred under Obama because of the Bush era bailout mandates and the Bush era tax cuts, Obama shines next to GWB.
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Of course ideologues DO love excuses. And he has had all of 2.5 years, right? And for that matter...BUSH spent that money...not congress, right?

Bush and Obama are twin sons of different mothers.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
If you subtract out the amount of debt incurred under Obama because of the Bush era bailout mandates and the Bush era tax cuts, Obama shines next to GWB.
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You mean... the Bush-era policies/spending/tax cuts that The Obama chose to continue, if not expand?
Why should those be subtracted?
 
VanceMack said:
9 trillion when Bush got out of office, Pete. What was the debt ceiling just raised to?
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Again, source your numbers. I always like a good laugh.

I'd really like to see the source you are using which informed you that the debt was 9 trillion when Bush left office. I'd like to see the source you rely on which informed you the debt increased 6.5 trillion in just 2½ years.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
You mean... the Bush-era policies/spending/tax cuts that The Obama chose to continue, if not expand?
Why should those be subtracted?
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No, I mean Bush-ear policies/tax cuts/spending that Obama and the Democrats tried their best to undo and the GOP insisted stay. Sorry, but you don't get to blame the GOP's continuing mistakes on Obama when he has fought you tooth and toenail - and has recently proposed yet another attempt to change the direction.
 
I have no problem with folks blaming Clinton for DADT, welfare reform, and other things that took place under his Presidency. Why should others not be able to blame Bush for things that took place during HIS Presidency?

If Obama is defeated in 2012, will GOPers not blame Obama for things that he caused & initiated?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Then you would be talking about the U6 unemployment rate which is currently at 16.2%.

Under Bush, it went from 7.3% to 14% -- a 6.7 point increase, or a 92% increase

Under Obama, it went from 14% to 16.2% -- a 2.2 point increase, or a 16% increase

So how on Earth does that make Obama worse than Bush?

That's like having a pitcher give up 10 runs and then complain his backup is worse because the backup gave up two runs and now they're losing by 12-0 when it was only 10-0 before the reliever came in.
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Interesting perspective and interpretation...not shocking for an ideologue...I expect nothing less from you. chart.jpg
 
VanceMack said:
Interesting perspective and interpretation...not shocking for an ideologue...I expect nothing less from you. View attachment 67115918
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Do you even understand how the graphically demonstrates what I just posted?

It doesn't rebuke what I said -- it confirms it.


Then you would be talking about the U6 unemployment rate which is currently at 16.2%.

Under Bush, it went from 7.3% to 14% -- a 6.7 point increase, or a 92% increase

Under Obama, it went from 14% to 16.2% -- a 2.2 point increase, or a 16% increase

So how on Earth does that make Obama worse than Bush?

That's like having a pitcher give up 10 runs and then complain his backup is worse because the backup gave up two runs and now they're losing by 12-0 when it was only 10-0 before the reliever came in.​
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
No, I mean Bush-ear policies/tax cuts/spending that Obama and the Democrats tried their best to undo and the GOP insisted stay.
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:roll:

It is clear that, regardless of the truth, you're only interested in
1: Blaming the GOP
2: Absolving the Dems
3: Protecting The Obama.

I have no time for partisan bigots; as such, I thank you for making it clear I need not consider anything else you might post.
 
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