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How long will you "blame Bush"?

How long will you blame Bush

  • Less than one more year

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Until this term is over

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Forever.

    Votes: 23 71.9%

  • I'm done blaming Bush.

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • Total voters
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Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
it is dishonest, pathetic, & childish to make claims in this forum without even attempting to back them up. I encourage you to call such folks out whenever they do it.
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I am calling you out, since you are one of the ones to whom my comment applies. show me your DD214 showing you served in Iraq.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
I am calling you out, since you are one of the ones to whom my comment applies. show me your DD214 showing you served in Iraq.
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again with the dishonesty.

that was not your claim. you claimed that the folks who make the biggest deal about Iraq do not care about the troops or Iraq.

OscarB63 said:
..They don't give a rat's ass about Iraq or our troops, they just want to use it as a talking point against Bush and conservatives.
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this is a claim which requires evidence, or it is simply a pathetic & juvenile lie.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
let's do a poll:

seems that the loudest ones complaining about Bush and the Iraq war in this thread are Thunder, Theplaydrive and Sheik. I challenge any one of them to produce a DD214 showing that they served in US military and were deployed to Iraq.

that was my comment that started the ball rolling: the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who were never there...
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please stop with the lies. you have omitted the most important & insulting part of your whole claim

OscarB63 said:
funny how the ones crying the most about Iraq are the gutless cowards who have never been there, isn't it? They don't give a rat's ass about Iraq or our troops, they just want to use it as a talking point against Bush and conservatives.
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Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
again with the dishonesty.

that was not your claim. you claimed that the folks who make the biggest deal about Iraq do not care about the troops or Iraq.



this is a claim which requires evidence, or it is simply a pathetic & juvenile lie.
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:2bigcry: funny, that wasn't the comment we've been talking about. I guess that since you don't have ****, you have to, as you guys like to squeal, "move the goalpost" and start talking about a different comment.


thanks for playing
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
..funny, that wasn't the comment we've been talking about. I guess that since you don't have ****, you have to, as you guys like to squeal, "move the goalpost" and start talking about a different comment...
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I will ask again: do you have any evidence whatsoever that we don't care about Iraq or the troops?
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
please stop with the lies. you have omitted the most important & insulting part of your whole claim
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let's play moving goalposts, shall we?

I said
funny how the ones crying the most about Iraq are the gutless cowards who have never been there, isn't it?
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to which your pal ThePlayDrive responded with a link to the website for Iraq veterans against the war, thus setting the tone of the arguement that it was about whether or not those who complained the loudest were or were not Iraq veterans.

If you want to piss yourself and whine about a separate statement in that post, then you need to make it clear and not just dogpile in on top of the original arguement.


don't wet yourself and cry because you lack the ability to make clear and understandable posts.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
I will ask again: do you have any evidence whatsoever that we don't care about Iraq or the troops?
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one arguement at a time. but thanks for playing
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
let's play moving goalposts, shall we?
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If we want to point out fallacies, the double-whammy red herring and ad hom that you tossed out was what led to the exchange.

It was certainly a very effective red herring/ad hom combo, though, considering how it came to dominate the discussion.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Tucker Case said:
If we want to point out fallacies, the double-whammy red herring and ad hom that you tossed out was what led to the exchange.

It was certainly a very effective red herring/ad hom combo, though, considering how it came to dominate the discussion.
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well, at least SOMEONE gets it ;) thanks for playing
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Tucker Case said:
If we want to point out fallacies, the double-whammy red herring and ad hom that you tossed out was what led to the exchange....
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pretty pathetic huh? I wish folks would take these debates more seriously.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
I will ask again: do you have any evidence whatsoever that we don't care about Iraq or the troops?
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Seems perfectly clear to me that he does not. That's why he's blustering now about goal posts and DD214's, hoping nobody will notice.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
pretty pathetic huh? I wish folks would take these debates more seriously.
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I can't rightly call an effective ploy "pathetic". It worked despite the fact that it was an easy ploy to defeat.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Seems perfectly clear to me that he does not. That's why he's blustering now about goal posts and DD214's, hoping nobody will notice.
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where is your DD214?
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Tucker Case said:
I can't rightly call an effective ploy "pathetic". It worked despite the fact that it was an easy ploy to defeat.
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easy to defeat? it's been going on for several pages and these guys are still arguing over it.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
easy to defeat? it's been going on for several pages and these guys are still arguing over it.
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I know, which is exactly why I said it worked despite being easy to defeat.

A five year old wielding a knife is easy to defeat, but if you simply sit back and allow it to slash your throat, you won't defeat it. That doesn't make the five year old any less easy to defeat, though.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Tucker Case said:
I can't rightly call an effective ploy "pathetic". It worked despite the fact that it was an easy ploy to defeat.
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this place is not for playing games. that's for the other place.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
this place is not for playing games. that's for the other place.
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when the arguement against you is so blatantly stupid, it is hard to take it (or its author) seriously.

still waiting to see your DD214
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
this place is not for playing games. that's for the other place.
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the red herring fallacy and ad hom fallacies are commonly employed tactics in debates when someone wishes to avoid dealing with the points that are made by their opponents. Understanding how to recognize and defeat these tactics is an important part of debate.

Debating is a game, of sorts. There are rules, tactics and strategies. Regardless of how serious a perosn is being, the tactics and strategies remain the same.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
where is your DD214?
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It's right there with the post where I claimed to have served in Iraq.

Speaking of strawmen and diversions ... you made the challenge to compare the number of terrorist attacks under Clinton with those under Bush. I answered that challenge and you've been cowering away with your tail tucked betwixt your hind legs ever since. Are you going to respond or are you going to keep running away?

I certainly hope you displayed more bravery in Iraq than you are here.
 
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Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
when the arguement against you is so blatantly stupid, it is hard to take it (or its author) seriously.

still waiting to see your DD214
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I have never served in the military.

Now, what evidence do you have that I don't care about the troops or Iraq?
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

OscarB63 said:
when the arguement against you is so blatantly stupid, it is hard to take it (or its author) seriously...
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demanding evidence for offensive claims...is stupid?

wow. that's some debate strategy.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Thunder said:
demanding evidence for offensive claims...is stupid?...
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Taking offense to stupid claims is stupid.

Asking for evidence for those stupid claims can be pointless, though, depending on the person making the stupid claim.
 
Re: What if Doctor Seuss had written about the Clinton Regime?

Tucker Case said:
Taking offense to stupid claims is stupid.

Asking for evidence for those stupid claims can be pointless, though, depending on the person making the stupid claim.
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I agree that it is worthless to ask for evidence from folks who are simply trolling and baiting.

But still, demanding evidence from them makes their comments look all the more stupid, especially when no such evidence exists.
 
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