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Population Control

Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 24.6%

  • No

    Votes: 43 75.4%
  • Total voters
    57
Jryan said:
So we should punish adults for stuff they did as a child? BTW, we are now moving on to a more philosophical point here. The system is flawed.
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and just how is NOT rewarding stupid behavior "punishment"?
 
Kal'Stang said:
So you do want overt control. Why pretend otherwise?
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The kind of "overt" control I want is to allow these stupid people to suffer the consequences of their stupid actions.
 
OscarB63 said:
The kind of "overt" control I want is to allow these stupid people to suffer the consequences of their stupid actions.
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You're a fascist man... :mrgreen:
 
OscarB63 said:
and just how is NOT rewarding stupid behavior "punishment"?
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And how is allowing children to suffer punishing the "stupid" behavior of thier parents? Also how do you account for accidents? You know...condoms breaking, contraceptives failing. Or how about women that are raped? Should a child born via a raped woman be allowed to suffer just because his mother is poor and his father raped his mother?
 
BTW, stupidity is not a choice. Being undereducated (the word you were looking for) is SOMETIMES AND VERY RARELY a choice.
 
Kal'Stang said:
And how is allowing children to suffer punishing the "stupid" behavior of thier parents? Also how do you account for accidents? You know...condoms breaking, contraceptives failing. Or how about women that are raped? Should a child born via a raped woman be allowed to suffer just because his mother is poor and his father raped his mother?
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:2bigcry: OMFG...think of the children.... :2bigcry:

yeah, let's just keep rewarding stupidity so they can keep on breeding more and more kids for us to support.
 
Jryan said:
BTW, stupidity is not a choice. Being undereducated (the word you were looking for) is SOMETIMES AND VERY RARELY a choice.
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sorry you don't like it, but stupidity definitely is a choice. and spare me the tired lame old. the poor don't have opportunity crap.
 
OscarB63 said:
:2bigcry: OMFG...think of the children.... :2bigcry:

yeah, let's just keep rewarding stupidity so they can keep on breeding more and more kids for us to support.
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You are taking this freewill bull**** and blowing it way out of proportion.
 
OscarB63 said:
:2bigcry: OMFG...think of the children.... :2bigcry:

yeah, let's just keep rewarding stupidity so they can keep on breeding more and more kids for us to support.
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Breeders gonna keep breeding. Especially if society keeps funding them to do it with nothing to dissuade or prevent it.
 
Jryan said:
Reward:

Make a gift of something to (someone) in recognition of their services, efforts, or achievements.
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nice, now actually answer the question
 
Ockham said:
Breeders gonna keep breeding. Especially if society keeps funding them to do it with nothing to dissuade or prevent it.
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and sadly, way too many people seem to have no problem with that.
 
OscarB63 said:
:2bigcry: OMFG...think of the children.... :2bigcry:

yeah, let's just keep rewarding stupidity so they can keep on breeding more and more kids for us to support.
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So you're perfectly willing to let kids suffer due to things beyond human control or because of rape. Good to know your stance on morality = 0.
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry you don't like it, but stupidity definitely is a choice. and spare me the tired lame old. the poor don't have opportunity crap.
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Explain to me how, you think because this is definitely not the case, stupidity is a choice.

So you don't get confused:
Stupidity:
a poor ability to understand or to profit from experience.
 
OscarB63 said:
nice, now actually answer the question
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I'll answer the question when you replace reward with government handouts (which I don't even think is the correct word but you conservatives like to use it so).
 
Kal'Stang said:
So you're perfectly willing to let kids suffer due to things beyond human control or because of rape. Good to know your stance on morality = 0.
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who said anything about rape? oh yeah....you brought up that red herring out of desperation. good to know your stance on integrity = 0.
 
Jryan said:
I'll answer the question when you replace reward with government handouts (which I don't even think is the correct word but you conservatives like to use it so).
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sorry junior, you don't get to dictate what questions I ask. If you don't like it just admit that you can't answer it and move on.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So you're perfectly willing to let kids suffer due to things beyond human control or because of rape. Good to know your stance on morality = 0.
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At some point, the strongest shall survive should kick in here. Many (myself included) certainly feel charitable and want to help those less fortunate but there's a limit and charity is the last and final step. People who are responsible for bringing these children in the world are ultimately responsible and are frequently left out of the conversation... we tend to run right away to it's society's responsibility and if society doesn't step up, society let's kids suffer. No, parents let the kids suffer.... the bleeding hearts I find hypocritical - what do they do to stave off the childrens suffering? They complain about everyone else's willingness to let the kids suffer....
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry junior, you don't get to dictate what questions I ask. If you don't like it just admit that you can't answer it and move on.
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lmao, I can't answer a question if you are going to lie about the situation and use different words. Reword it correctly and I will consider answering it.

Anyways, Junior (please capitalize pronouns) is off to school.

Integrity:

The quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.
 
OscarB63 said:
sorry you don't like it, but stupidity definitely is a choice. and spare me the tired lame old. the poor don't have opportunity crap.
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Wow, Buddha had a whole religion on stupidity (which is in fact ignorance). May be you should think about it. :2razz:
 
Ockham said:
At some point, the strongest shall survive should kick in here. Many (myself included) certainly feel charitable and want to help those less fortunate but there's a limit and charity is the last and final step. People who are responsible for bringing these children in the world are ultimately responsible and are frequently left out of the conversation... we tend to run right away to it's society's responsibility and if society doesn't step up, society let's kids suffer. No, parents let the kids suffer.... the bleeding hearts I find hypocritical - what do they do to stave off the childrens suffering? They complain about everyone else's willingness to let the kids suffer....
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So you think that a parent who went to college, got a good education (say they made straight A's), graduated and now can't find work, their children should be punished?

(Sorry had to address this one before I stepped out the door. Now I'm really off to class.)
 
OscarB63 said:
who said anything about rape? oh yeah....you brought up that red herring out of desperation. good to know your stance on integrity = 0.
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Does rape not happen? Is there some reason we shouldn't consider it? Or should we not consider it just because it shows how your position is flawed? You claim my integrity = 0 and yet you are the one saying that adding rape to this discussion is a red herring despite it being valid to bring up.
 
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