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Population Control

Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 24.6%

  • No

    Votes: 43 75.4%
  • Total voters
    57
Kal'Stang said:
Even if the government stopped helping it would not deter people having kids. This should be evidenced by the fact that this worlds population has continued to grow for thousands of years. The only time that there has been an actual drop was due to wars, disease, or natural castastrophy.
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then, those people and their kids should suffer the natural consequences of their stupidity.

we would do well to take a lesson from the animals. the weak, sick, infirm, etc are the first to die. it helps keep the herd (aka society) healthy and viable.



All we have accomplished with our decades of govt entitlements that allow the stupid to survive is to weaken our society.
 
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OscarB63 said:
what part of "later" is too difficult for you to understand?

how many times throughout history have we seen example of uncontrolled population growth lead to famine?
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Zero. Famine is normally caused by wars, disease or a natural castastrophy. Never has it been caused by over population as whenever an area became over populated people just moved on to greener pastures so to speak.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Zero. Famine is normally caused by wars, disease or a natural castastrophy. Never has it been caused by over population as whenever an area became over populated people just moved on to greener pastures so to speak.
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it is also worth noting at this point that an inverse relationship can be drawn between famine and the presence of a free press operating within a representative government.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Zero. Famine is normally caused by wars, disease or a natural castastrophy. Never has it been caused by over population as whenever an area became over populated people just moved on to greener pastures so to speak.
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with 7 billion people....there are no more "greener pastures" to move on to.
 
OscarB63 said:
then, those people and their kids should suffer the natural consequences of their stupidity
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What ever happened to kids being our future? Do you seriously want a class of people that are underfed, under educated due to skipping school so that they can find ways to feed themselves?
 
Jryan said:
Right because people choose to be stupid.
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of course they do, or didn't you get the memo that we are all created equal. if that is the case, the obviously being stupid is a choice. otherwise everyone would be stupid.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What ever happened to kids being our future? Do you seriously want a class of people that are underfed, under educated due to skipping school so that they can find ways to feed themselves?
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of course not, that is why those people should be prevented from having kids.
 
Population control is morally wrong. You are stepping on the human right of reproduction which should not be allowed in a free society.
 
Jryan said:
Do you not get that not everyone can be in the top 1%, not everyone can be in the 20%, not EVERYONE can be poor. It is the demographics that make up our society and unless we redistribute the wealth it will still be our demographics of society.
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and those demographics will remain relative. our poor live better lives than the top 1% of the past, and in the future people will look back on us and consider us dirty and impoverished.
 
Jryan said:
Not true!!! Australia's deserts aren't inhabited! ;)
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great idea. let's send all the poor people to live in the Australian deserts. they can eat all the sand they want.
 
digsbe said:
Population control is morally wrong. You are stepping on the human right of reproduction which should not be allowed in a free society.
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indeed. I seem to recall something about how in this country the population was supposed to control the government, not the other way 'round.
 
digsbe said:
Population control is morally wrong. You are stepping on the human right of reproduction which should not be allowed in a free society.
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I would counter with...having kids you cannot support is morally wrong.
 
cpwill said:
and those demographics will remain relative. our poor live better lives than the top 1% of the past, and in the future people will look back on us and consider us dirty and impoverished.
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I disagree that the poor live better than the top 1% of the past. Other than that, thumbsup.
 
OscarB63 said:
of course they do, or didn't you get the memo that we are all created equal. if that is the case, the obviously being stupid is a choice. otherwise everyone would be stupid.
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Oh, so now geniuses are just as smart as the average joe?
 
Jryan said:
I disagree that the poor live better than the top 1% of the past. Other than that, thumbsup.
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I have been all around the world. I can guarantee that "the poor" in the US live better than the vast majority of people in other parts of the planet.

as to the past...even the richest people in the 1700s didn't have air conditioning, refrigeration, running water, etc, etc, etc. so in that sense the poor do live better than the top 1% of the past.
 
as to the past...even the richest people in the 1700s didn't have air conditioning, refrigeration, running water, etc, etc, etc. so in that sense the poor do live better than the top 1% of the past.
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Ah, I guess I forgot about good old technopoly.
 
Jryan said:
Oh, so now geniuses are just as smart as the average joe?
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yeah, some people are born with the potential to be smarter than others. but unless you are a retard (and in that case we should help them because it is not their fault) your level of effort usually defines how "smart" you become.


there is a difference between being retarded and being stupid.
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah, some people are born with the potential to be smarter than others. but unless you are a retard (and in that case we should help them because it is not their fault) your level of effort usually defines how "smart" you become.


there is a difference between being retarded and being stupid.
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So we should punish adults for stuff they did as a child? BTW, we are now moving on to a more philosophical point here. The system is flawed.
 
Jryan said:
I disagree that the poor live better than the top 1% of the past.
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I would love to see your depiction of the top 1% of 13th century Germany who had clean running water, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, automobiles, access to clean surgical care if necessary, and immunizations? for that matter, I would love to see your depiction of any top 1% prior to the 18th century who had anything approachinga child mortality rate as low as our poors'? then we'll talk about the likelihood of death from invasion by marauders (oh yes, violent death is way down, even among the poor - those freakonomics guys study the most interesting things), by plague, and so on and so forth.[

Other than that, thumbsup.
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:shrug: the overpopulation bogeyman is no different from the new global ice age bogeyman, the ocean acidification bogeyman, the holes in the ozone going to kill us all bogeyman, or the global warming bogeyman. they're all just abuses of carefully selected statistics in order to justify the seizing of immense power by a self-selected elite.
 
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cpwill said:
I would love to see your depiction of the top 1% of 13th century Germany who had clean running water, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, automobiles, access to clean surgical care if necessary, and immunizations? for that matter, I would love to see your depiction of any top 1% prior to the 18th century who had anything approachinga child mortality rate as low as our poors'? then we'll talk about the likelihood of death from invasion by marauders (oh yes, violent death is way down, even among the poor - those freakonomics guys study the most interesting things), by plague, and so on and so forth.
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Ah, I guess I forgot about good old technopoly.
 
OscarB63 said:
of course they do, or didn't you get the memo that we are all created equal. if that is the case, the obviously being stupid is a choice. otherwise everyone would be stupid.
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Everyone is created equal in the eyes of God. And the Law. Beyond that everyone is different.
 
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