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Population Control

Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 24.6%

  • No

    Votes: 43 75.4%
  • Total voters
    57
OscarB63 said:
why should I care, when their own parents don't care enough to take care of them?
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You didn't know you were personally responsible for all children did you. :lol:
 
Ockham said:
So you're using one state as an example of 162 million dollars and that state is North Carolina? Add all the states, add in all the Federal money, add in all the charitable donations, and look at the big picture. What you're doing, and it's obvious, is cherry picking and whining about what conservatives think. At least be intellectually honest and look at the big picture - or don't bother.
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If you have a problem with the data the link is in your quote. More data from that site:
According to our survey, states spent at least $14.4 billion in federal, state, and local funds in state fiscal year (SFY) 1996 on child welfare services. Because we know that our estimate undercounts federal funding for at least 14 states, state spending in four states, and local spending in 12 states, the $14.4 billion estimate is a conservative lower bound.4 Total spending per child across responding states (49) averaged $194.
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(Note 2 states Hawaii and Virginia declined to participate in the study)
 
OscarB63 said:
why should I care, when their own parents don't care enough to take care of them?
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Because they are innocent children, why should you punish them because you don't "care"? Also, I'd like to add, your children benefit more from the way society is setup.
 
Jryan said:
If you have a problem with the data the link is in your quote.
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Strawman... I have no problem with the data, I have a problem with you cherry picking data that agrees with your views and presenting it as a universal truth. Get it yet?
 
Jryan said:
Because they are innocent children, why should you punish them because you don't "care"? Also, I'd like to add, your children benefit more from the way society is setup.
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How is he punishing them? Why are you punishing them? Why are you on the internet on a political forum when you should be out taking care of the poor children who are starving? How do you live with yourself?
 
Ockham said:
How is he punishing them? Why are you punishing them? Why are you on the internet on a political forum when you should be out taking care of the poor children who are starving? How do you live with yourself?
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It is called taxes. The funny thing is, you probably don't even see a flaw here. (Hint: In World War II the rich people could just pay to not get drafted.)
 
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Jryan said:
It is called taxes.
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Are you saying your responsibility ends when you pay taxes and it's someone else's responsibility after that?
 
Ockham said:
Are you saying your responsibility ends when you pay taxes and it's someone else's responsibility after that?
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Yes, you pay taxes so you don't have to go baby sit some random poor person's baby while they are at work or personally go over there and bring the groceries. And the responsibility falls on the mother after the small assistance they get from child care.
 
Jryan said:
Yes, you pay taxes so you don't have to go baby sit some random poor person's baby while they are at work or personally go over there and bring the groceries. And the responsibility falls on the mother after the small assistance they get from child care.
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Even Conservatives don't believe that's where responsibility ends.... many still contribute over and above taxes to something called "charity", and others still go further by donating their time and efforts in helping feed homeless, taking care of hungry children etc., at various shelters, homes and making sure they get the attention when the tax dollars do not address their problems, or for those kids that slip through the cracks.

Since you said "Yes" to my question, you don't give a **** about kids at all. Thanks for confirming and showing your disingenuous views and arguments.
 
Jryan said:
Because they are innocent children, why should you punish them because you don't "care"? Also, I'd like to add, your children benefit more from the way society is setup.
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ah, the typical hand-wringing and bed-wetting.... OMFG...think of the innocent children.

boo ****ing hoo, maybe their sorry ass parents should have thought about that before they had them.

it's a vicious cycle and libs like you are too weak to ever break it.

step 1. mommy and daddy are worthless lazy POS

step 2. they have a bunch of kids

step 3. libs squeal "think of the children"

step 4. we pay more taxes to take care of these kids

step 5. mommy and daddy get to continue being worthless, lazy POS

step 6. kids grow up to be worthless, lazy POS just like mommy and daddy

step 7. we get to pay even more taxes to support all the kids that they will have.


Better that some should suffer now, than all suffer later
 
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OscarB63 said:
ah, the typical hand-wringing and bed-wetting.... OMFG...think of the innocent children.

boo ****ing hoo, maybe their sorry ass parents should have thought about that before they had them.

it's a vicious cycle and libs like you are too weak to ever break it.

step 1. mommy and daddy are worthless lazy POS

step 2. they have a bunch of kids

step 3. libs squeal "think of the children"

step 4. we pay more taxes to take care of these kids

step 5. mommy and daddy get to continue being worthless, lazy POS

step 6. kids grow up to be worthless, lazy POS just like mommy and daddy

step 7. we get to pay even more taxes to support all the kids that they will have.
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It's the classic tax grab.... yell about the poor children, hike taxes, and make sure the children's funding doesn't get cut while using the additional taxes for ideological pet projects. The poor and the "children" are trotted out every election cycle and we don't hear about them until the following election cycle.
 
Ockham said:
Even Conservatives don't believe that's where responsibility ends.... many still contribute over and above taxes to something called "charity", and others still go further by donating their time and efforts in helping feed homeless, taking care of hungry children etc., at various shelters, homes and making sure they get the attention when the tax dollars do not address their problems, or for those kids that slip through the cracks.

Since you said "Yes" to my question, you don't give a **** about kids at all. Thanks for confirming and showing your disingenuous views and arguments.
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Right, thank you for taking something way out of context spinning it and then deciding to write something about it. Anywhere in there did I say "I"? Just wandering, was it in first second or third person? Thanks for playing...
 
Ockham said:
It's the classic tax grab.... yell about the poor children, hike taxes, and make sure the children's funding doesn't get cut while using the additional taxes for ideological pet projects. The poor and the "children" are trotted out every election cycle and we don't hear about them until the following election cycle.
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Right because they don't build more schools or increase welfare payouts.
 
Jryan said:
Right, thank you for taking something way out of context spinning it and then deciding to write something about it. Anywhere in there did I say "I"? Just wandering, was it in first second or third person? Thanks for playing...
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I think you're responsibility in this thread ended already... you've done your part, been found disingenuous and now just want to do damage control? How about you go volunteer at a homeless shelter today and show us all how NOT to be a hypocrite.
 
Ockham said:
I think you're responsibility in this thread ended already... you've done your part, been found disingenuous and now just want to do damage control? How about you go volunteer at a homeless shelter today and show us all how NOT to be a hypocrite.
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Again, personal insults, how do you know what I do with my free time?
 
Jryan said:
Right because they don't build more schools or increase welfare payouts.
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Who's "they"?

We don't need more schools, we need better teachers and a better methodology. We don't need welfare, we need more jobs.


Get it yet?
 
MusicAdventurer said:
Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

Is there a need for population control? If not, what evidence do you have that there is not? Will there be a need in the near future?

If so to what degree? I.E. How many children should be allowed? Should control be by economic status or equal to all families?

I want to get a sense of where people are on this topic
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Can't believe so many folks are voting yes. My answer is no. At least not yet.
 
OscarB63 said:
ah, the typical hand-wringing and bed-wetting.... OMFG...think of the innocent children.

boo ****ing hoo, maybe their sorry ass parents should have thought about that before they had them.

it's a vicious cycle and libs like you are too weak to ever break it.

step 1. mommy and daddy are worthless lazy POS

step 2. they have a bunch of kids

step 3. libs squeal "think of the children"

step 4. we pay more taxes to take care of these kids

step 5. mommy and daddy get to continue being worthless, lazy POS

step 6. kids grow up to be worthless, lazy POS just like mommy and daddy

step 7. we get to pay even more taxes to support all the kids that they will have.


Better that some should suffer now, than all suffer later
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That's right, don't abort them! Let em live. But once they're out of the womb, **** 'em. :mrgreen:
 
Jryan said:
Again, personal insults, how do you know what I do with my free time?
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You're the one crying about the children, yet you do nothing other than what you're legally required to do and think you're doing your part. I personally don't care what you do with your free time, but you're a hypocrite for whining about the children and not doing anything personally about it. That's called being hypocritical. If you want to re-affirm it again, you certainly can do it and I'm glad to expose it from you over and over.

Go ahead... you were going to say something....
 
StillBallin75 said:
That's right, don't abort them! Let em live. But once they're out of the womb, **** 'em. :mrgreen:
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Parents are ultimately responsible... they're the ones doing the ****in'.
 
Ockham said:
You're the one crying about the children, yet you do nothing other than what you're legally required to do and think you're doing your part. I personally don't care what you do with your free time, but you're a hypocrite for whining about the children and not doing anything personally about it. That's called being hypocritical. If you want to re-affirm it again, you certainly can do it and I'm glad to expose it from you over and over.

Go ahead... you were going to say something....
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Again, how do you know what I do with my free time? You keep saying "you", aka me...
 
OscarB63 said:
15% unemployment. we don't need more jobs...we need fewer people
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The high unemployment rate isn't caused by excessive population in this country. It's caused by long-term structural problems with our economy.
 
StillBallin75 said:
The high unemployment rate isn't caused by excessive population in this country. It's caused by long-term structural problems with our economy.
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China is doing just fine and look at their population. ;)
 
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