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Socialism could have succeeded?

Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

  • Don't know

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 9 11.4%

  • I think it could

    Votes: 11 13.9%

  • I think it couldn't

    Votes: 16 20.3%

  • No way

    Votes: 37 46.8%
  • Total voters
    79
Currently, I believe that anarchist socialism is the highest form of societal order. I really can't think of another system that I would rather belong to than a company and community that I am integrated with and have a stock in their success.

Unfortunately, we do not have this ideology. Instead, we thrive off an ideology that "greed is good", which is a abhorrent state that many economist make based off of Milton Friedman's butchering of Smith's ideology.
 
Antiderivative said:
Currently, I believe that anarchist socialism is the highest form of societal order. I really can't think of another system that I would rather belong to than a company and community that I am integrated with and have a stock in their success.

Unfortunately, we do not have this ideology. Instead, we thrive off an ideology that "greed is good", which is a abhorrent state that many economist make based off of Milton Friedman's butchering of Smith's ideology.
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The price for pretending to love mankind in general is hating people as individuals
 
TurtleDude said:
The price for pretending to love mankind in general is hating people as individuals
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Wow TD .. is this like a "yoda-ism" ... ?

How are people supposed to respond to that? Your vague "clever" comments simply hold no ground; learn to explain yourself. I know you can; you should be able to, right counselor?
 
LOL, what do you think this country is doing now, we are already a mildly socialist country and getting worse.
 
TurtleDude said:
hating any individual who doesn't buy into your schemes.
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Could be the case, but explain.

In the final layout, I don't think there would be any "schemes". Everyone instead would already know and accept exactly what they need to do to keep society functioning properly.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
You obviously didn't read the definition then.
It says some form of ownership and control.
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No, you didn't

either state owned or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively"
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Funny how you left out the OR. And not just funny; It was also dishonest



You're one of those people that believe the only way people learn stuff is through schools.
Sad, I guess all new workers that come to a construction company are perfectly knowledgeable, about the entire construction process, and will never learn anything new and beneficial about construction.
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We were talking about the educational system. This is another example of you dishonestly leaving facts out


Incorrect.
It requires some form of ownership, either in commons or under the state.

Wrong. I'll repeat from the definition YOU provided
either state owned or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively"
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The medical system is controlled by the state. The state belongs to the people.
 
sangha said:
No, you didn't



Funny how you left out the OR. And not just funny; It was also dishonest





We were talking about the educational system. This is another example of you dishonestly leaving facts out


Incorrect.
It requires some form of ownership, either in commons or under the state.

Wrong. I'll repeat from the definition YOU provided


The medical system is controlled by the state. The state belongs to the people.
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:sigh: No matter how wrong you are, you never admit it.
No ethics or personal accountability.
 
The first thing one must do is demarcate socialism from state capitalism. All socialism means is that workers own the means of production and decide in a democratic way on how to use these resources in order to produce goods and services.

The best examples that I have is Mondragon, Tito's Yugoslavia, ESOPs.
 
In my opinion "American socialism" is still being defined. In 2008 the Wall Street Bail Out was a major step toward socialism. I really wonder how much influence we taxpayers actually have with our shares of the major banks. No one seems to talk about that. One thing for sure. When the history is written about American socialism, the Republicans will get credit for kicking it off with the Wall Street Bail Out and TARP.

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L. A. Fairfax said:
In my opinion "American socialism" is still being defined. In 2008 the Wall Street Bail Out was a major step toward socialism. I really wonder how much influence we taxpayers actually have with our shares of the major banks. No one seems to talk about that. One thing for sure. When the history is written about American socialism, the Republicans will get credit for kicking it off with the Wall Street Bail Out and TARP.
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Your right, sad but true.
 
Yes, I believe it could have succeeded if I were an angry, heady leftist.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I didn't say that.
You can't even have a debate without reframing the argument to suite your personal dishonesty.
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No, you never said it :roll:

Harry Guerrilla said:
You're one of those people that believe the only way people learn stuff is through schools.
Sad, I guess all new workers that come to a construction company are perfectly knowledgeable, about the entire construction process, and will never learn anything new and beneficial about construction.
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You said this in response to my claim that the education system the US is socialized.
 
Well i would not say socialism is dead because i believe that socialism is succeeding... Capitalism has been going down the ****ter pretty fast.....
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well i would not say socialism is dead because i believe that socialism is succeeding... Capitalism has been going down the ****ter pretty fast.....
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The pros of capitalism have far outweighed the cons at this point. I attribute 99% of the conveniences of my modern lifestyle to capitalism, including my computer, fresh tap water (which is delivered efficiently and safely to my faucet), easy access to food, internet/search engines, iPhone ect.

I wouldn't quickly dismiss Capitalism and say it's on its way out just because of a few crooks in the financial realm. Imagine if we dismissed capitalism after the 1929 crash?
 
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sangha said:
No, you never said it :roll:
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I didn't, thanks for admitting you were being dishonest.


sangha said:
You said this in response to my claim that the education system the US is socialized.
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Yep, which is not the same as me saying that, "construction companies are in education industry."
I never said that.
 
David D. said:
The pros of capitalism have far outweighed the cons at this point. I attribute 99% of the conveniences of my modern lifestyle to capitalism, including my computer, fresh tap water (which is delivered efficiently and safely to my faucet), easy access to food, internet/search engines, iPhone ect.

I wouldn't quickly dismiss Capitalism and say it's on its way out just because of a few crooks in the financial realm. Imagine if we dismissed capitalism after the 1929 crash?
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All of the things you mentioned would not exist if it weren't for socialistic actions by our govt.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I didn't, thanks for admitting you were being dishonest.




Yep, which is not the same as me saying that, "construction companies are in education industry."
I never said that.
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Sure it's the same thing. Why else would you mention the construction companies that build schools if not to make the argument that the school system wasn't a form of socialism?

Actually, you need not explain. Your dishonesty of your argument has already been revealed
 
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