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Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

PzKfW IVe said:
The discussion, as should be clear to you, is about the morality of letting people die if they cannot pay for their medical care.
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Did you forget your discussion with Dion?

Dion said:
HCR requiring citizens be insured and offering an affordable public option was the only hope and a move towards Universal.
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PzKfW IVe said:
More importantly...
There's nothing in the Constitution that allows the goverment to force other people to provide medical treatment to you.
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Please note what has changed in the Constitution since Nixon, Bush, the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney and Scott Brown all supported an insurance mandate?
 
Catawba said:
Did you forget your discussion with Dion?
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Sigh.
I have, for some time, displayed a significant dgeree of patience toward you, as I hoped you might someday evolve into a poster worthy of my time. I apologize for being SO wrong.
 
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What if...? said:
The key word is avoid.

Legally, if you want to live where anything is, you are required to pay rent. A result of the enclosing of the Commons. A practice dating from around the 14th century in europe. When kings declared all the dirt their "property". The whole map. Then passed it out to their cronies to garner their support. Like most of the country was doled out to cronies and con men.

This is the primary glitch in various forms of libertarian thinking. Government is bad except when it is aiding me in controlling more of the Commons than I could on my own. Then its the bee's knees!
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How does it do this? Are you familiar Geolibertarians, i.e., libertarians that have incorporated the ideas of Henry George?
 
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PzKfW IVe said:
Sigh.
I have, for some time, displayed a significant dgeree of patience toward you, as I hoped you might someday evolve into a poster worthy of my time. I apologize for being SO wrong.
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Your insults are a sign that you have a weak argument.

Now you wish to run away rather than answer this question put to you?

Please note what has changed in the Constitution since Nixon, Bush, the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney and Scott Brown all supported an insurance mandate?
 
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The only people who like all of Obama's entitlements and defend this inept person are people who are just plain lazy and want everything gratis.
 
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Red Crow said:
The only people who like all of Obama's entitlements and defend this inept person are people who are just plain lazy and want everything gratis.
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really? i'm not lazy and i don't want anything handed to me. so i guess you couold say your post was a lie, right?
 
hazlnut said:
Here, let me allow the far righties to shoot down the mandate in its purist form...

1) You take responsibility for yourself by purchasing health insurance. You have the choice of plans and extent of coverage.

2) If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice (to not be responsible)...

3) However, so the rest of us don't have to foot the bill should you have a major medical emergency, we ask that you pay a very reasonable fee on tax day.

How much more conservative could you get?
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You could get more conservative by not implementing this at the federal level. When states are allowed to compete with other states over efficient government programs, we implement another check and balance.
 
liblady said:
really? i'm not lazy and i don't want anything handed to me. so i guess you couold say your post was a lie, right?
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so you admit that Obama is inept and that you like all of his entitlements?
 
Red Crow said:
The only people who like all of Obama's entitlements and defend this inept person are people who are just plain lazy and want everything gratis.
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Or, they are people who care about the health and welfare of their fellow citizens and their country.

BTW, when did the entitlements that have been in effect for decades under both parties, become Obama's entitlements?
 
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ARealConservative said:
You could get more conservative by not implementing this at the federal level.
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There's a -zillion- ways to get 'more conservative' than forcing people to pay for the medical costs of others, under any guise.
 
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ARealConservative said:
You could get more conservative by not implementing this at the federal level. When states are allowed to compete with other states over efficient government programs, we implement another check and balance.
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And how did that work out to solve slavery and equal voting rights before the civil war?
 
Catawba said:
Or, they are people who care about the health and welfare of their fellow citizens and their country.
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They are people who don't respect others' decisions or hold them accountable thereto.
 
PzKfW IVe said:
There's a -zillion- ways to get 'more conservative' than forcing people to pay for the medical costs of others, under any guise.
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"The concept of the individual health insurance mandate originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate."
History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Health Care Reform - ProCon.org
 
Catawba said:
And how did that work out to solve slavery and equal voting rights before the civil war?
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it actually was working, just not fast enough given what was at stake.
 
The most you'll demonstrate by finding Republicans that support a mandate is that there are Republicans out there who are not really conservative.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
The most you'll demonstrate by finding Republicans that support a mandate is that there are Republicans out there who are not really conservative.
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This is, in fact, news to certain people here.
 
Catawba said:
Exactly why it is needed today.
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poor people today get better health care then the richest person could of received 30 years ago.

comparing this situation to slavery is pathetic.
 
Neomalthusian said:
They are people who don't respect others' decisions or hold them accountable thereto.
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You mean their decision to be greedy and not care about their fellow citizens or country's well being?
 
Catawba said:
You mean their decision to be greedy and not care about their fellow citizens or country's well being?
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how does keeping dead weight alive help the country's well being?
 
ARealConservative said:
poor people today get better health care then the richest person could of received 30 years ago.

comparing this situation to slavery is pathetic.
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So poor people should only have expectations of health care as it was 30 years ago? Why is that?
 
OscarB63 said:
how does keeping dead weight alive help the country's well being?
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I do not share your opinion that the lower middle class and the poor are dead weight. Without them, who would do the work that makes the 85% of the wealth that the top 20% enjoy?
 
Catawba said:
So poor people should only have expectations of health care as it was 30 years ago? Why is that?
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read it again, you failed to comprehend a simple statement.
 
OscarB63 said:
how does keeping dead weight alive help the country's well being?
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It places an artificial burden on limited resources, and thusly weakens the species as a whole.
 
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