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Is it possible to create a welfare system that rewards people to be self-sufficient?

What would a welfare that rewards self-sufficiency look like? Select all that apply:

  • 1.) It would not allow recipients more than is needed to survive

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • 2.) The reward for getting off welfare would be: recipients could afford more than necessities

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.) programs would be temporary (recipients can only be on welfare for a certain period)

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • 4.) It would grant small monetary payouts for every step forward

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • 5.) Recipients would experience a sufficiently higher standard of living after getting off welfare

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Total voters
    11
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Government run healthcare isn't free. You'll pay as much in taxes for "free" healthcare as you will for private insurance. I'd rather we focus on encourage self-growth and getting them out of that low-skill rut, so that they can find a job w/decent benefits that will allow for self-sufficience.

The solution does not have to be more government.

In the long run, it seems that it would cost people less overall. We spend a lot more money per capita on health care than any country that has UHC does. I don't see how it would cost that much more overall to change our system.

Of course it wouldn't be free, and it shouldn't even be free to use. I could easily see a system where it was run like part of VA healthcare, where people are put into income/wealth based categories for payment.
 
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One of the big problems people have sited with our current welfare system is that it currently does not provide and incentive for people to get off welfare. How could a welfare system be created so that recipients would be motivated to get off welfare?

I'll admit. I have never been on welfare and I don't know how it works. I used to think that being on food stamps meant you were on welfare, but somebody on food stamps told me that isn't true. You can work, be low income, but still qualify for food stamps. I don't know the qualifications or disqualifications, and I doubt most people do. I think welfare is just a scapegoat, and I will readily admit that I don't know how efficient and effective it is or is not. I don't know how easily abused it is, how often etc.
 
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In the long run, it seems that it would cost people less overall. We spend a lot more money per capita on health care than any country that has UHC does. I don't see how it would cost that much more overall to change our system.

Of course it wouldn't be free, and it shouldn't even be free to use. I could easily see a system where it was run like part of VA healthcare, where people are put into income/wealth based categories for payment.

The VA system where poor cleanliness and lack of oversight led to veterans being exposed to AIDS in multiple locations at varying times?

Before we turn anything over to the government we need to make damn sure it's running as best it can. A lot can be done to change health care before we give it to the least efficient management system in the country.
 
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Here's the "voluntary" aspect: You either accept the birth control or accept that any further children will result in social-services involvement and no increase in benefits.

Again, from a pragmatic standpoint, I agree. But there is something coercive in that plan that will make it a legitimate target for a lot of negative reaction from the religious right, I am afraid. While you and I can see how practical such a solution might be, the folks who will be against it (who probably are not actually affected by it, but have moral qualms) will make very loud noise over it. I'm not saying we shouldn't push for it, just that we ought to be prepared for that opposition when it comes.
 
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Prevention is key. I think college should include child development classes.

College is too late in many cases.. we should be offering those classes in high schools.
 
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Again, from a pragmatic standpoint, I agree. But there is something coercive in that plan that will make it a legitimate target for a lot of negative reaction from the religious right, I am afraid. While you and I can see how practical such a solution might be, the folks who will be against it (who probably are not actually affected by it, but have moral qualms) will make very loud noise over it. I'm not saying we shouldn't push for it, just that we ought to be prepared for that opposition when it comes.

I talk politics a lot, so I often hear "you should just run for office". My consistent response is, "I'd never be elected". My stances are rarely built for mass-approval, unfortunately. While there may be some pragmatic value to them, it's all about appealing to a wide base, and I can't do that.
 
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Welfare is not that big of an outlay. I am not sure why it gets so much focus among the small government bunch given its fiscal size, but I guess its probably because its "welfare".

Anyway, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996 did away with the concept of welfare being an open ended entitlement. Welfare in its current state:

Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
Enhancing enforcement of child support.

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That seems like a pretty incentive to get back to work if you can being that you can only get it for 2 years at a time and for no more than 5 years in your lifetime.

The bigger welfare like programs are Medicaid, SCHIP, Disability, and HUD.
 
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Receiving welfare should include mandatory work or participation in a 2-year certification program for a field experiencing growth or high job demand. Upon completion of said program you will have access to an additional 6 months of payments while you seek a job in that field. At the end of that additional 6 months all benefits are discontinued.

Welfare recipients should also be mandated to take child development and intro to education classes as well as financial planning and money management classes.

I knew somebody on welfare and she would be kicked off for a few years, but would find a way to get back on it. One thing about welfare is, it seems like it's all or nothing. You can't get a little bit if you have some income. People figure out, it's better to just accept welfare than it is to get a job that pays nothing. IDK... welfare should probably be a sliding scale. It should encourage people to work, and to also get education. I liked your post for the most part.
 
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Seriously? I totally disagree; insurance companies are supposed to make enough money off people with no or fewer disorders in order to make up for losses accrued via highly disordered individuals

Yeah, seriously. I can't do my point justice with just flip off-topic remark like above, but if I had the power to design a health care system it would be unlike any other one in the world, it would avoid issues like moral hazard and adverse selection, it would have competition, it would have universality, it would have built-in mechanisms for cost control, but it would offend a lot of people along the way.
 
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I talk politics a lot, so I often hear "you should just run for office". My consistent response is, "I'd never be elected". My stances are rarely built for mass-approval, unfortunately. While there may be some pragmatic value to them, it's all about appealing to a wide base, and I can't do that.

Until we can emphasize teaching critical thinking skills in school, that is going to remain a problem. It has been my contention that a lot of these kinds of problems could be entirely overcome in a few short generations if we simply taught kids how to really think for themselves.
 
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The VA system where poor cleanliness and lack of oversight led to veterans being exposed to AIDS in multiple locations at varying times?

Before we turn anything over to the government we need to make damn sure it's running as best it can. A lot can be done to change health care before we give it to the least efficient management system in the country.

It happened in one VA hospital in St. Louis, and one in Florida.

However, civilian hospitals have this happen too.

http://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2011/03/03/tulane-hospital-faces-lawsuit-over-possible-hiv-hepatitis-exposure/
WSVN-TV - Hospital reviewing patient exposure to Hepatitis and HIV
Why HIV exposure at hospital may have happened – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

Both VA and civilian hospitals have this stuff happen.
 
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The VA system where poor cleanliness and lack of oversight led to veterans being exposed to AIDS in multiple locations at varying times?

Before we turn anything over to the government we need to make damn sure it's running as best it can. A lot can be done to change health care before we give it to the least efficient management system in the country.

In my opinion, this is the result of corruption, and if we could just root that out, things would improve dramatically. The real problem is that in so many cases the corruption has become a part of the system, and when you root out just one part of it, without addressing the rest as well, the whole things breaks down. It's a catch 22, and leaves those those who care the most frustrated and eventually either they succumb to the corruption or the struggle against it just burns them out entirely.
 
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Incapacitating mental disorders are a disability but things like anxiety disorder or wanting to be a hermit, I don't consider to be disabilities worthy of public support.

*snip*

Not liking to be in public and around groups of people may make for unpleasant experiences when one is forced every morning to get up and go to work and to be around people and feel uncomfortable all day long, but society shouldn't be paying people welfare just so they can avoid discomfort in their lives. I don't want people to starve if they can't work, I don't really care if they are uncomfortable while working.

I dunno, man. I don't think you get it.

I had a brief run-in with anxiety in the month that followed me being mugged, fresh on the road and green as hell. Scary, and bad timing. I had a couple panic attacks. I felt like I was going to die. Literally die. I couldn't breathe and it felt like my heart was going to explode. People go to the ER with panic attacks all the time because they think they're having a heart attack. And some of them have events like that frequently - several times a day, if they're in a triggering situation.

I'm lucky it was temporary for me (and lucky I knew what it was, from having taken a couple psych classes and from seeing someone have a panic attack before). Some people live with that all the time. That is much worse than being "uncomfortable," or "just wanting to be a hermit," and it's not something you can just get over. It's crippling. If that had been happening to me several times a day, I would say that I would definitely be unable to work.

That'll teach you real quick not to judge other people's situations and that it's not up to you whether they're "sick enough" or sick in a way that makes sense to you. It is true that experiencing minor or temporary mental health disturbances like anxiety and depression is pretty common and for most people something you can work through, but people who live with this stuff chronically and severely... they definitely deserve a bit of a break. I never want to feel anything like that again as long as I live. That was years ago, but I still remember that it absolutely sucked.
 
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That'll teach you real quick not to judge other people's situations and that it's not up to you whether they're "sick enough" or sick in a way that makes sense to you.

OK, then, let's just cancel all welfare, for there is no way that I'm supporting a system which gives interested parties carte blanche on my check book. Let everyone figure out how to survive on their own. I laid down my terms and conditions for supporting a welfare system with my taxes. Screw it. You don't want my participation, just my money, well, you can do without both.

I'll prepare for disastrous outcomes that may befall me and my family and you do the same for you and yours, and as they say, fences make for good neighbors.
 
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OK, then, let's just cancel all welfare, for there is no way that I'm supporting a system which gives interested parties carte blanche on my check book. Let everyone figure out how to survive on their own. I laid down my terms and conditions for supporting a welfare system with my taxes. Screw it. You don't want my participation, just my money, well, you can do without both.

I'll prepare for disastrous outcomes that may befall me and my family and you do the same for you and yours, and as they say, fences make for good neighbors.

I'm just saying you can't lay down a blanket like that. Was I unable to work due to my experiences? No. I experienced a temporary disturbance of my mental health following a traumatic event. That is likely to happen to most people at some point in their lives. It is not necessarily incapacitating, and if it is, it's only for a very short time - a time you could probably expect an understanding employer to give you.

What I'm saying is that it gave me an idea of what people who have anxiety more severely and more chronically might be going through, and for you to discount anxiety as ever being incapacitating is wrong. Anxiety can be mild or severe, temporary or chronic, like most everything else. The form and severity of the disorder is important in evaluating a person's ability to work.
 
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It's actually simple. Welfare should last a very short time and have strict requirements. You *MUST* get an education and/or job training while on welfare. You *MUST* have no more children while in welfare. After 2-3 years maximum, it runs out, no matter what and you are not eligible again for at least 5 years. Make it count or else.
 
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I'm just saying you can't lay down a blanket like that. Was I unable to work due to my experiences? No. I experienced a temporary disturbance of my mental health following a traumatic event. That is likely to happen to most people at some point in their lives. It it not necessarily incapacitating, and if it is, it's only for a very short time - a time you could probably expect an understanding employer to give you.

What I'm saying is that it gave me an idea of what people who have anxiety more severely and more chronically might be going through, and for you to discount anxiety as ever being incapacitating is wrong. Anxiety can be mild or severe, temporary or chronic, like most everything else. The form and severity of the disorder is important in evaluating a person's ability to work.

You're a liberal because you care about everyone. I'm a conservative because I care about efficiency. Lines have to be drawn somewhere. Every bleeding heart story doesn't deserve full-on support from society. If mental health professionals declare that someone goes into a screaming hysterical fit every time they leave the security of their house, then I put that in the same category as having broken with reality - they simply can't function in society and need a helping hand. That's an extreme and easy case. Other people though, most of us actually, have to endure hardship - people get divorced, people get cheated, people get threatened, people get beaten, people get raped, etc this stuff goes on all the time.

The role of the state is not to be everyone's mommy. The state can provide the barest of care for the very worst off. Any shortfalls that develop can be funded by good-hearted citizens like yourself. Private charity is awesome in that it allows caring people to actually demonstrate that they are caring by sacrificing some of their own wellbeing by donating to organizations who help others. That's a far more satisfying demonstration of being a caring person than the preferred alternative of many, which is that agitating for taxes to be raised on others so that the proceeds can be spent on the programs one thinks need more funding. Picking someone else's pocket doesn't demonstrate caring.

Minimal welfare and enhanced private charity is the direction I prefer.
 
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RiverDad said:
Picking someone else's pocket doesn't demonstrate caring.

Now if liberals would realize this.
 
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I'll admit. I have never been on welfare and I don't know how it works. I used to think that being on food stamps meant you were on welfare, but somebody on food stamps told me that isn't true. You can work, be low income, but still qualify for food stamps. I don't know the qualifications or disqualifications, and I doubt most people do. I think welfare is just a scapegoat, and I will readily admit that I don't know how efficient and effective it is or is not. I don't know how easily abused it is, how often etc.

I have worked with clients and counseled people who were/are on welfare; I also studied social work (in addition to counseling, psychology, sociology and computer tech) in college, so I know the local welfare system fairly well .. as far as I know welfare includes:

All the following services are provided as a percentage of income below poverty level - the more you make the less assistance you get and then once you are above the poverty level the assistance is cut-off - I believe all require that you are working or volunteering until you work - also there are waiting lists for certain assistance types (not sure exactly which ones though):

Temporary cash assistance: a small amount of cash supplement - program based on need basis i believe and that is temporary (not sure how long) and requires that recipients do education, if they don't have a GED I believe they have to do adult classes, then participate in approved trainings for jobs, or enroll in a degree based system that will likely ensure them a better job

Housing assistance (there are different types, some for those with disabilities, some for the elderly, some for people in poverty) - I believe the one for people in poverty requires all the people in the household to be working or if they can't find work, volunteering until they can - assistance is figured by charging rent that is like 30% of your monthly income - via voucher or in association with certain housing foundations - I believe there is a government assisted home owners version that is much more expensive, but less so than buying a house outright and people rent to own - very long waiting list

Cell phone can be provided for those in poverty with a small amount of minutes mainly meant enough minutes for emergencies and work related calls

Food Stamps - like 14% of income worth of food is provided (increases with family size)

Healthcare - covers doctors visits (not dental) and medications - there is one for the elderly and one for those in poverty - I believe this takes like a couple months or so to get accepted

Dental - some cities have dental clinics that offer lowered rates/sliding scale fees for those in poverty

Heating Assistance - minimum estimated heat cost is calculated then assistance is given via a voucher

Higher Education Assistance: there's a program call inspire or something that helps pay for books and transportation to college

Student Loans - government student loans help with tuition and a little bit of living costs depending on family size and one's age (under 25, students get much less assistance) - subsidized and unsubsidized loans - i.e. some loans accrue interest while the student is in school and some do not accrue interest until the individual is out of school - I believe you need to be getting a C or better in all your classes to continue to get student loans

Social Security - for people with disabilities helps with basic needs in the form of cash (i.e. a check) - I think this is next to impossible to acquire unless you are paralyzed or paralyzed from the waist down, or have been diagnosed with MR before the age of 18 - and I think it could take up to a year or more if you have any other kind of disability

That is all I can think of off the top of my head - Not sure if there are differences from State to State

The main problem with these systems is that there is a sudden cut-off of assistance - i.e. assistance abruptly stops at a certain income level - this encourages people to keep lower incomes because they wouldn't be able to afford their bills if they got off the system - it's pretty sick if you ask me - whoever thought the system up either were complete morons or there is some conspiracy to keep people on welfare

don't quote me on all of those, but that's what I can remember from talking to people and from college
 
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You're a liberal because you care about everyone. I'm a conservative because I care about efficiency. Lines have to be drawn somewhere. Every bleeding heart story doesn't deserve full-on support from society. If mental health professionals declare that someone goes into a screaming hysterical fit every time they leave the security of their house, then I put that in the same category as having broken with reality - they simply can't function in society. People have to endure hardship - people get divorced, people get cheated, people get threatened, people get beaten, people get raped, etc this stuff goes on all the time.

The role of the state is not to be everyone's mommy. The state can provide the barest of care for the very worst off. Any shortfalls that develop can be funded by good-hearted citizens like yourself. Private charity is awesome in that it allows caring people to actually demonstrate that they are caring by sacrificing some of their own wellbeing by donating to organizations who help others. That's a far more satisfying demonstration of being a caring person than the preferred alternative of many, which is that agitating for taxes to be raised on others so that the proceeds can be spent on the programs one thinks need more funding. Picking someone else's pocket doesn't demonstrate caring.

Minimal welfare and enhanced private charity is the direction I prefer.

What you just said doesn't really address what I just said.

I contested that you discounted an entire mental disorder from ever being debilitating. I then gave a personal example, which by my own description was not debilitating, and explained from there that more severe forms of the disorder can definitely be debilitating. I then explained that we can evaluate the severity of the illness to determine whether or not it is debilitating. Which means some people will have more mild issues which are not debilitating. Others who are severe may be debilitated.

You seem to understand this when it comes to depression or schizophrenia but somehow seem to think anxiety is exempt. And when I tell you that it isn't, you say I'm just a bleeding heart who wants to give everyone a Big Gov Mommy.

The line here has nothing to do with what I said - like I said, you have already acknowledged this with other mental disorders. What's the roadblock in this case?
 
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The line here has nothing to do with what I said - like I said, you have already acknowledged this with other mental disorders. What's the roadblock in this case?

I made the distinction between disorders which are incapacitating and those which are not. When I referenced depression I didn't mean every instance of depression, I meant incapacitating depression. When I referenced anxiety disorder I used that as an example of a non-incapacitating disorder. If the mental illness, including anxiety, is incapacitating then it falls into the incapacitating category. I thought that was clear.

You criticized my choice of examples but neglected to observe the incapacitating criterion I mentioned at the outset. I have no roadblock on mental illness which makes it impossible for someone to function in society. I have a lot of roadblocks on mental illnesses which simply make it difficult for someone to function in society. A one-off, or a short series, of severe anxiety attacks are different than chronic cases.

In fact, as I'm thinking about this more, I'm starting to favor some restrictions on welfare for the mentally ill, such as, if the condition is so chronic and incapacitating that they can't function in society, then I'm actually willing to spend more money on them and institutionalize them. I'm not up to date on the research on this issue so my position is at this moment based more on a.) fraud prevention, in that I believe that this serves as a disincentive to game the system, and b.) professional help in more readily available in live-in situations than if the mentally ill person is living on their own or with family. I know that the reason that we've moved away from institutions was based on research which at the time pointed to home-care being a more efficacious alternative but I believe that there have been challenges to this paradigm. I'm really moving far beyond my threshold of knowledge on this topic, so I could be persuaded to abandon this institutionalization point if there was a good argument against it, but I still favor VERY stringent conditions for qualifying for mental health related welfare support. That's just the nature of the beast - if someone is a quadriplegic, there is no doubt at all about their affliction, but the same cannot be said, with the same degree of certainty, about many mental illnesses.
 
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I have worked with clients and counseled people who were/are on welfare; I also studied social work (in addition to counseling, psychology, sociology and computer tech) in college, so I know the local welfare system fairly well .. as far as I know welfare includes:

All the following services are provided as a percentage of income below poverty level - the more you make the less assistance you get and then once you are above the poverty level the assistance is cut-off - I believe all require that you are working or volunteering until you work - also there are waiting lists for certain assistance types (not sure exactly which ones though):

Temporary cash assistance: a small amount of cash supplement - program based on need basis i believe and that is temporary (not sure how long) and requires that recipients do education, if they don't have a GED I believe they have to do adult classes, then participate in approved trainings for jobs, or enroll in a degree based system that will likely ensure them a better job

Housing assistance (there are different types, some for those with disabilities, some for the elderly, some for people in poverty) - I believe the one for people in poverty requires all the people in the household to be working or if they can't find work, volunteering until they can - assistance is figured by charging rent that is like 30% of your monthly income - via voucher or in association with certain housing foundations - I believe there is a government assisted home owners version that is much more expensive, but less so than buying a house outright and people rent to own - very long waiting list

Cell phone can be provided for those in poverty with a small amount of minutes mainly meant enough minutes for emergencies and work related calls

Food Stamps - like 14% of income worth of food is provided (increases with family size)

Healthcare - covers doctors visits (not dental) and medications - there is one for the elderly and one for those in poverty - I believe this takes like a couple months or so to get accepted

Dental - some cities have dental clinics that offer lowered rates/sliding scale fees for those in poverty

Heating Assistance - minimum estimated heat cost is calculated then assistance is given via a voucher

Higher Education Assistance: there's a program call inspire or something that helps pay for books and transportation to college

Student Loans - government student loans help with tuition and a little bit of living costs depending on family size and one's age (under 25, students get much less assistance) - subsidized and unsubsidized loans - i.e. some loans accrue interest while the student is in school and some do not accrue interest until the individual is out of school - I believe you need to be getting a C or better in all your classes to continue to get student loans

Social Security - for people with disabilities helps with basic needs in the form of cash (i.e. a check) - I think this is next to impossible to acquire unless you are paralyzed or paralyzed from the waist down, or have been diagnosed with MR before the age of 18 - and I think it could take up to a year or more if you have any other kind of disability

That is all I can think of off the top of my head - Not sure if there are differences from State to State

The main problem with these systems is that there is a sudden cut-off of assistance - i.e. assistance abruptly stops at a certain income level - this encourages people to keep lower incomes because they wouldn't be able to afford their bills if they got off the system - it's pretty sick if you ask me - whoever thought the system up either were complete morons or there is some conspiracy to keep people on welfare

don't quote me on all of those, but that's what I can remember from talking to people and from college

- oh and the assistance is calculated so that a total of everything combined (unless you are handicapped) will only allow for necessities - food, shelter, refrigerator, stove, enough to travel to work and back, but not to own a car, a few pairs of clothes from goodwill per year, and for what the state decides they will pay for in terms of healthcare

also there has recently been earned income tax credits which social workers are not required to disclose (partly because it changes every year) that give a little cash back for those that work .. the more one works as long as they are under the poverty level, the more they get back - again, amounts vary per year and people only find out about them if they do research or a tax agency helps them on their tax return - so the downside to this is that people don't know that they can actually be rewarded for making more in a year - the downside is the same as with all the other welfare programs in that there is an abrupt cut-off after a certain amount of money is made (I believe this is the case anyway with this) - which may encourage people to make less money

oh, also, the WIC program: which provides something the minimum amount of milk, peanut butter, a few kinds of cereals, and juice .. sometime farmers market checks I believe as well? oh, also baby formula if the mother isn't breastfeeding, and certain vitamins - they encourage breastfeeding - assistance is cut-off after the child is like 2 years old or around there

oh and another point to keep in mind .. some middle-class families (those above poverty) who are just barely middle class, who have high medical bills or certain illnesses, would actually be better off on welfare because they can't get through their jobs or afford good enough insurance to not incur a yearly debt, thus another reason the system actually traps people into welfare .. the other option of course is that they try to find a much higher paying job or start a business, both of which have low success rates

I think the state is either completely ignorant or a bunch of geniuses - either they want people to stay on welfare for some reason or they aren't able to comprehend basic human motivation - a system needs to encourage people to get off welfare .. not stay on it
 
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If you are a capable single person, just try living off of welfare. It is all the incentive you need.

Most of our welfare programs are targeted to the unable, disabled, elderly, and single parents.
 
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If you are a capable single person, just try living off of welfare. It is all the incentive you need.

Most of our welfare programs are targeted to the unable, disabled, elderly, and single parents.

Here's the real problem:


In fact, a shocking 49 percent of all babies born in the U.S. are born to families receiving food supplements from the WIC program, according to Jean Daniel, spokesperson for the USDA.​


People who can't afford to have children are producing half of the children born in the US. Then those of us can manage our reproductive freedom responsibly end up paying for other people's children and marginally depriving our own.

Things that cannot go on forever, won't.
 
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