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Considering His standard - is Obama unpatriotic?

Considering His standard - is Obama unpatriotic?


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Candidate Obama: "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents - #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back -- $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic." (July 3, 2008)
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Given what He said - is He unpatriotic as well?
Please be sure to explain your response.
 
Obama and Bush both failed the nation by their refusal to deal with rapidly increasing debt.
 
Obama and Bush both failed the nation by their refusal to deal with rapidly increasing debt.
So... is that a yes or a no?
 
So... is that a yes or a no?

The term unpatriotic has no meaning in this context. It is simply a smear used to attack political opponents. The important point is that practical results of the Bush policies that Obama criticized and Obama's own policies have been negative.
 
Without dancing, yes. If Obama says adding 4 trillion in 8 years is unpatriotic and he has presided over adding 5.5 trillion in 2.5 years, then he kinda has to be responsible for his own words.
 
By his own standards, yes. By mine, no.

Sure does make him look stupid though...then again, he's never had difficulty making himself look stupid. This doesn't exactly push him over the tipping point.
 
I hate the terms "unpatriotic" and "anti-american" being used to describe programs or policies that a politician (or forum poster) disagrees with. His use of the term was stupid, but if he believes what he said then he's unpatriotic, too. Not that I think his actions (or Bush's) really constitute claims of lacking patriotism.
 
Interesting that the 'no' voters do not give reason...
 
Obama is not unpatriotic. He's UN-American being raised by Communists from mother and father, stepfather, grand parents and surrounding himself with them in college and spending 20 years under Rev. Wrights Black Liberation Theology church which is based in Marxism he knows nothing else.
 
I dont believe obama is unpatriotic in a sense he does not like america, I think Obama surrounded himself with the WRONG people that have given him nothing but bad advice. I think axelrod is a total AH and needs fired immediately.
Obama tried to cover all americans with health care...which in itself is an admirable endeavor, but he did it ALL WRONG...if there was a mistake to be made trying to pass obamacare...the democrats made it. Pelosi shouldnt be incharge of a toilet. Her face on obamacare killed it before it ever had a chance...

I believe obamas heart was in the right place, but he was to naive to understand the true power of the force that was against him...Rich and Corporate America...all this not hiring is by design...and there wont be much hiring until after the election...and no matter who wins the election...dem or republican...mark these words...hiring will flourish and the economy will start churning again....If the GOP wins the election...the teaparty will claim their way worked...if obama wins re election and hiring and the economy improves...the teaparty will claim their influence did it.
 
Obama is not unpatriotic. He's UN-American being raised by Communists from mother and father, stepfather, grand parents and surrounding himself with them in college and spending 20 years under Rev. Wrights Black Liberation Theology church which is based in Marxism he knows nothing else.

I'm confuzzed, doesn't Marxism call for the abolition of religion?
 
Under "his standard," yes, it's unpatriotic. However, it's not really his standard. It was a stump speech. As was said before, a tactic used to smear the opposition.
 
"Considering his standard" he was using the wrong standard. So, he was wrong in what he said, or he's a hypocrite, or he was being dishonest and inflammatory in order to get elected (go figure). I don't support Obama, and I think his Presidency is a danger to the US. But, I don't think you can judge his patriotism by his own incorrect standard. Agree with Bush or disagree, he was obviously a patriot. I could not say the same as easily about Obama, but not because of the debt/deficit. By Obama's definition, the majority of Congress would be unpatriotic, and a large portion of the American citizens would be unpatriotic because they refuse to call for tough decisions to be made even when it affects them. Mistaken - grossly mistaken, yes.
 
Obama and Bush both failed the nation by their refusal to deal with rapidly increasing debt.
although to be fair we can go back as far as 1913.
 
Republicans controlled the House and Senate from 1995 to 2000.
1996 Debt Increased by 6.71%
1997 Debt Increased by 3.37%
1998 Debt Increased by 2.03%
1999 Debt Increased by 2.88%
2000 Debt Decreased by 1.97% (a product of the "Contract with America" led by Newt Gingrich in preceding years)

in 2001 and 2002 the House and Senate were split and the debt grew by an average of 6.37% (9/11) and to a height of a 9.25% increase by 2003 when Republicans (not particularly conservative Republicans) regained a slight majority. Then the increase decreased (politician speak) gradually each year (9.25%, 8.55%, 7.56%, 6.24%) to 6.24% in 2006. The Democrats gained control of both House and Senate in 2007 (elected end of 2006) and in 2008 the increase in debt jumped from 6.32% in 2007 to 15.93% in 2008 another 15.06% in 2009 and another 13.92% in 2010. About a 52% increase in debt in just 3 years -wow!
 
All he did was spout some bull**** to get elected. Then he did something hypocritical. Wrong, sure, but it's pretty standard for politicians.
 
FLASHBACK: Obama: Adding $4 Trillion To Debt Is Unpatriotic | RealClearPolitics

Given what He said - is He unpatriotic as well?
Please be sure to explain your response.
Hell No! It's true the debt has increased $4 trillion since he became president. BUT much of debt is from the lost income tax revenue resulting from the jobs lost during the deep recession. Here is the month to month losses in 2008 even before he was elected:

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDecLosses
2008137996137913137841137656137423137245137014136747136313135804135002134383
Job losses-13-83-72-185-233-178-231-267-434-509-802-619-3626

Source: bls.gov CES0000000001
 
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And yet government spending is being planned to be slashed, especially since America's wealthiest individuals and corporations are not patriotic enough to want to pay more taxes to pay off the debt.
Nice red herring.
Now, did you have a response for the poll, or...?
 
My feelings on this subject are the same as always.

Most of Obama's expenses were "mandated" in some sense or another by the circumstances. He made an effort to address problems that Washington has been playing hot potato with for thirty years. It didn't work out, not because he lacked vision, but because the American people don't have the willingness to support visionary leadership. They are too busy allowing the establishment to play on their partisan resentments.

In contrast, Bush's expenses were improvised by his Administration. Based on economic trends, we had a far more compelling need in this country for health care reform than we did for the War in Iraq. That mitigates some of the responsibility the low points of Obama's policies, whereas Bush has to bear them as is.
 
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FLASHBACK: Obama: Adding $4 Trillion To Debt Is Unpatriotic | RealClearPolitics

Given what He said - is He unpatriotic as well?
Please be sure to explain your response.

Sure, Bush has done some awful things...
BUT Obama is Bush's awful things on steroids...
PLUS his Marxist health care program, which is an outright act of TREASON.

So... unpatriotic is too mild a word for Obama. He hates capitalism. He is working his butt off to destroy it. He is an outright TRAITOR.
 
I dont believe obama is unpatriotic in a sense he does not like america, I think Obama surrounded himself with the WRONG people that have given him nothing but bad advice. I think axelrod is a total AH and needs fired immediately.
Obama tried to cover all americans with health care...which in itself is an admirable endeavor, but he did it ALL WRONG...if there was a mistake to be made trying to pass obamacare...the democrats made it. Pelosi shouldnt be incharge of a toilet. Her face on obamacare killed it before it ever had a chance...

I believe obamas heart was in the right place, but he was to naive to understand the true power of the force that was against him...Rich and Corporate America...all this not hiring is by design...and there wont be much hiring until after the election...and no matter who wins the election...dem or republican...mark these words...hiring will flourish and the economy will start churning again....If the GOP wins the election...the teaparty will claim their way worked...if obama wins re election and hiring and the economy improves...the teaparty will claim their influence did it.
A good response, and far better than those from conservatives..
Neither Bush nor Obama are "unpatriotic".
But, Congress I do not know about...
 
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