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Why does the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax?

Why is the middle class the most crippled by income tax? Select all that apply

  • Allowing many people to have a shot at being uber-wealthy is dangerous

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Making the uber-wealthy share the load would be bad for the economy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The middle class do not have as much of an influence on politics as the wealthy do

    Votes: 24 75.0%
  • The idea that the middle class pay the most crippling amount of income tax is a myth

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • A few wealthy, a few more middle class and many lower class citizens is best

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Total voters
    32
Pain naturally makes people think of the errors of their ways. So making people feel the pain of their actions is a great tool to teach people. It doesn't imply that you will torture them, rule over them with a iron fist, it means they will learn from their actions by feeling the pain of those actions.

the current system that makes failure easy and supports sloth has failed to educate far too many
 
what misrepresentation. the point I was making is that the only way to get the people who vote for more and more and more government spending is to make them feel some pain in their pocketbook

that you choose to distort that obvious point is sad



Not at all. What is sad is that you have been waging this war on a citizens Constitutional right to vote for sometime now and now you resort to euphemisms about administering pain to the ignorant. That is snug and elitist and smacks of fascistic tendencies.

Turtle - go back and read your stuff. people who disagree with you..... people who vote differently that you .... people who do not see things the way that you do are not simply wrong - they are IGNORANT. How dare you! People have a right to hold their political and social beliefs without the likes of you judging them from you perch on high and labeling them as IGNORANT.

And now you compound it with a prescription to administer pain to them to teach them the ways of Turtle and the radical right. Amazing.
 
Pain naturally makes people think of the errors of their ways. So making people feel the pain of their actions is a great tool to teach people. It doesn't imply that you will torture them, rule over them with a iron fist, it means they will learn from their actions by feeling the pain of those actions.

These type of expressions are ugly to read and frightening to realize what a deep hold they have on members of the radical right wing out to destroy America.
 
Not at all. What is sad is that you have been waging this war on a citizens Constitutional right to vote for sometime now and now you resort to euphemisms about administering pain to the ignorant. That is snug and elitist and smacks of fascistic tendencies.

Turtle - go back and read your stuff. people who disagree with you..... people who vote differently that you .... people who do not see things the way that you do are not simply wrong - they are IGNORANT. How dare you! People have a right to hold their political and social beliefs without the likes of you judging them from you perch on high and labeling them as IGNORANT.

And now you compound it with a prescription to administer pain to them to teach them the ways of Turtle and the radical right. Amazing.

You have long been a proponent of the marxist concept that the wealth of the rich is completely and absolutely subordinate to the wishes of the masses. You think it is perfectly acceptable for the masses to vote away the wealth of others so the masses can have all the government services they want without paying for those services.

that system-which is about what we have now-where 47% of the country pay no income taxes-has encouraged far too many people to reflexively demand more and more big government because they don't face any tax increases to pay more and more government.

Of course if people had to actually pay more taxes everytime the government spent more, the politicians who buy votes by promising more spending and claim only the RICH will have to pay more would have far more difficult a time winning elections. In other words, your dem masters would take a beating if EVERYONE had to PAY MORE to fund their welfare socialist schemes.

No wonder you are so agitated
 
These type of expressions are ugly to read and frightening to realize what a deep hold they have on members of the radical right wing out to destroy America.
Hysterical hyperbolic drama

why shouldn't everyone pay more taxes when government spends more? why should it only be the rich who are tasked with paying for all the goodies your dem masters use to buy the votes of the many?
 
Pain naturally makes people think of the errors of their ways. So making people feel the pain of their actions is a great tool to teach people. It doesn't imply that you will torture them, rule over them with a iron fist, it means they will learn from their actions by feeling the pain of those actions.

Is thta why so any people keep on playing sports like full contact football, rugby, hurling, etc.......
 
I have no idea what you are talking about.... and I wonder if you do either.

What I am a proponent of is the American people and the American form of government and a sustainable society which can see our greatest days ahead. That has nothing to do with Marx - Karl or Groucho - either being about as relevant to your attack on me.

The system you loathe of the 47% - you know darn well it was given to us by a Republican President and 91% of the votes in Congress which passed it were provided by Republicans. Of course, facts do not deter you in any way from your ideological crusade to demonize the Democratic party.
 
I have no idea what you are talking about.... and I wonder if you do either.

What I am a proponent of is the American people and the American form of government and a sustainable society which can see our greatest days ahead. That has nothing to do with Marx - Karl or Groucho - either being about as relevant to your attack on me.

The system you loathe of the 47% - you know darn well it was given to us by a Republican President and 91% of the votes in Congress which passed it were provided by Republicans. Of course, facts do not deter you in any way from your ideological crusade to demonize the Democratic party.

Unlike you Haymarket, I will criticize bad law or bad decisions of BOTH parties. Bush pushed tax cuts for everyone and that led to the screwed up increase in even more people not paying FIT. But its you dems who want the rich to pay more and more to fund the election efforts of dems
 
Hysterical hyperbolic drama

why shouldn't everyone pay more taxes when government spends more? why should it only be the rich who are tasked with paying for all the goodies your dem masters use to buy the votes of the many?

When you write stuff like this its as if you just dropped in here for your first day. Unlike yourself who only endorses tax proposals (and at that a different one almost weekly) which gives yourself a tax cut, I support tax raises for ALL across the board and that includes myself.

And in all the hundreds of times you foist this nonsense on the board, you have NEVER provided an iota of evidence about the malarkey of democrats buying votes. Not once - not ever. Of course we must consider that you eschew verifiable evidence the way a vampire eschews daylight.
 
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you sending any extra money to the government Haymarket? and you want the rich to pay far more additional taxes
 
you sending any extra money to the government Haymarket? and you want the rich to pay far more additional taxes

Its none of your business what I do with my money and keep your nose out of my personal affairs. That is NOT a matter of public policy and I would insist that you respect the line between discussions of public policy and a posters private life.

I have said - repeatedly and frequently - that I advocate ALL Americans who earn an income to pay an income tax and support across the board tax increases.
 
Its none of your business what I do with my money and keep your nose out of my personal affairs. That is NOT a matter of public policy and I would insist that you respect the line between discussions of public policy and a posters private life.

I have said - repeatedly and frequently - that I advocate ALL Americans who earn an income to pay an income tax and support across the board tax increases.

More drama. If you are so insistent that the government take more money of those who already pay far too much, I suggest you put your money where your mouth is.

Liberalism-being generous with other peoples' wealth and taking the credit
 
you sending any extra money to the government Haymarket? and you want the rich to pay far more additional taxes

Lawyers should be banned from voting...most politicians are lawyers and its a conflict of interest being able to vote for those that have only your special interests at the forefront like blocking tort reform and giving lawyers tax cuts.
 
Lawyers should be banned from voting...most politicians are lawyers and its a conflict of interest being able to vote for those that have only your special interests at the forefront like blocking tort reform and giving lawyers tax cuts.

you do know that Lawyers are among the biggest donors to the party you worship.

and everyone who has been around this forum for more than you have know that I am an avid supporter of both tort reform and making plaintiffs who lose lawsuits pay the costs and fees of the prevailing defendant

your silly post is not responsive to my earlier post btw
 
More drama. If you are so insistent that the government take more money of those who already pay far too much, I suggest you put your money where your mouth is.

Liberalism-being generous with other peoples' wealth and taking the credit

"DRAMA" - as you misuse it - obviously means anyone here who disagrees with your far right positions and gets in your face about it.

There is no sense in replying to your same nonsense over and over and over again when I correct you and you still type out the same malarkey.

I favor a tax increase for ALL Americans who earn an income. Which words in that sentence do you not comprehend?
 
you do know that Lawyers are among the biggest donors to the party you worship.

and everyone who has been around this forum for more than you have know that I am an avid supporter of both tort reform and making plaintiffs who lose lawsuits pay the costs and fees of the prevailing defendant

The only thing I know is what most of america knows...Lawyers have categorically destroyed our country
 
"DRAMA" - as you misuse it - obviously anyone here who disagrees with your far right positions and gets in your face about it.

There is no sense in replying to your same nonsense over and over and over again when I correct you and you still type out the same malarkey.

I favor a tax increase for ALL Americans who earn an income. Which words in that sentence do you not comprehend?

and you have constantly called for the rich to pay far far more and carry an even higher burden of the income tax

why not support everyone paying a flat tax Haymarket? that means the rich pay far more but everyone keeps the same amount of the next dollar they earn?
 
Haymarket, you cannot reason or explain to blind partisans with one special interest in the forefront of thier minds...they dont want to pay for anything. They want everything for free including Police and Fire Protection the roads they drive on, the electric they use any infrastructure or any services...after all they are the RICH they are the privledged and everyone else is a nothing.
This is the same feudal mindset that failed hundreds of years ago and caused the creation of america.
Talking to people like that is a waste of energy, they will respond with the same redundant excuses and/or whine incessantly.
 
The only thing I know is what most of america knows...Lawyers have categorically destroyed our country

your silly efforts to attack me because I am an attorney with idiotic and unsupported claims about all attorneys is really amusing. I have always said there are too many attorneys-especially those who support more government and more income redistribution. ie the ones that make up the core of your party. NOT MINE. Three of Our last Four candidates for President were NOT Lawyers. Every candidate you have had since Carter was other than law school flunk out Al Gore. Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Kerry and Obama-all attorneys.
 
Haymarket, you cannot reason or explain to blind partisans with one special interest in the forefront of thier minds...they dont want to pay for anything. They want everything for free including Police and Fire Protection the roads they drive on, the electric they use any infrastructure or any services...after all they are the RICH they are the privledged and everyone else is a nothing.
This is the same feudal mindset that failed hundreds of years ago and caused the creation of america.
Talking to people like that is a waste of energy, they will respond with the same redundant excuses and/or whine incessantly.

find a post of mine-or any other conservative that supports this drivel
 
find a post of mine-or any other conservative that supports this drivel

There are thousands of your posts whining incessantly about your plight and how your being robbed....like I said lawyers should absolutely not be allowed to vote just like convicts they are one and the same
 
There are thousands of your posts whining incessantly about your plight and how your being robbed....like I said lawyers should absolutely not be allowed to vote just like convicts they are one and the same

Your silly nonsense about attorneys is backfiring and only makes you look hysterical. Find where ANY conservative on this board has said they should pay NO taxes. and if you want to attack professions, we can talk about all the civil rights violations second rate police department employees have perpetrated
 
and you have constantly called for the rich to pay far far more and carry an even higher burden of the income tax

why not support everyone paying a flat tax Haymarket? that means the rich pay far more but everyone keeps the same amount of the next dollar they earn?

We have been through this time and time again, in thread after thread, no matter what the actual topic.

A flat tax is the rich mans wet dream since it will give them a tax cut. And that is your only priority Turtle. Lets look at your various tax positions over the past few weeks:

1 - You insist that taxation should be based upon how much government services one utilizes and everyone should be taxed based on what they use like a retail shopping experience at Costco. You say this over and over and over again, you say this in thread after thread after thread. You cling to this the way a drowning man in the ocean clings to a piece of driftwood and refuse to give it up claiming that this is your sacred principle and is what is right and ethical.

2- You suddenly trash that position in favor of a 180 degree turn to the exact opposite - suddenly you favor a per capita tax where everyone pays the same regardless of what government services they consume or use. Your sacred principle went out the window, was smashed and trashed, was flushed down the porcelain receptacle in favor of the directly opposite approach. What happened to your sacred principle that you espoused for a very long time?

3 - Then you trash and bury the per capita idea in favor of a consumption tax which has nothing at all to do with government services that were the lynchpin in ideas #1 and #2.

And even though all three ideas are polar opposites of each other in principle, they all have one thing in common: they give Turtle a tax cut since they benefit the wealthy.

If you see as a PRINCIPLE the idea that what is good for Turtle is the final standard - then that seems to be what passes for principle in your eyes.

You have made it clear with your 180 pivots and reversals that you have no political principles - you have only your selfish interests at heart.
 
find a post of mine-or any other conservative that supports this drivel
That very recent one about the flat tax nonsense for a quick and easy one.
Turtle, are you really a "lawyer" ?
I was thinking you were a college student or a smart high schooler...seriously...
 
That very recent one about the flat tax nonsense for a quick and easy one.
Turtle, are you really a "lawyer" ?
I was thinking you were a college student or a smart high schooler...seriously...

what is the point of such a stupid comment?
 
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