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Can Bachman or Perry beat Obama

Can Bachman and Perry beat Obama in 2012

  • Bachman Can Beat Obama

    Votes: 1 2.1%

  • Perry can Beat obama

    Votes: 19 40.4%

  • Neither of them can beat Obama

    Votes: 27 57.4%
  • Total voters
    47
I wish the quality of a candidate's ideas or their overall character was more important than their ability to wrest power for their party.
 
lpast said:
I have to agree that perry has a good chance...foxnews is PROMOTING HIM bigtime..hes come out as foxnews candidate of choice so they wont be reporting any negatives on him...but do not rule out Romney...the "PEOPLE" may choose him and not let perry be picked for them
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I like Romney too, but just as soon as he gets the nomination the Democrats will throw his Mormonism in his face (even though Harry Reid and John Huntsman are both Mormons) But then that might be a plus too. The same thing was done to Kennedy and his Catholicism, but he still got elected.....barely.
 
SPC said:
The debates haven't started yet. Right now the Republicans are running for the nomination. They haven't started debating Obama yet. The same thing was said about Reagan and Carter when the 1980 election was getting started. The Democrats said Reagan was unelectable and Carter was beating him nearly 2 to 1 in the polls. The Reagan got the nomination and started coming after Carter with both barrels. We all know how that election turned out.
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Oh, I see, someday, somewhere! I thought your cats were ready to roll??? So you don't worry about Perry's job myth being exposed as huring him more in the polls than he already is?

Perry’s job creation myth on MSN Video
 
Catawba said:
Oh, I see, someday, somewhere! I thought your cats were ready to roll??? So you don't worry about Perry's job myth being exposed as huring him more in the polls than he already is?

Perry’s job creation myth on MSN Video
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Democrat lies are just a sign of fear. They're already trying to start in and Ed Shultz has already been called on it. I would much rather prefer Perry's record over Obama's any day.
 
SPC said:
Democrat lies are just a sign of fear. They're already trying to start in and Ed Shultz has already been called on it. I would much rather prefer Perry's record over Obama's any day.
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Thanks for your opinion.

"But instead of speculating, let's look at the data. The Lookout used jobs data compiled by the Department of Labor to determine which industries have gained jobs in Texas since June 2009. Here's what we found:

• Roughly 39,000 out of the 302,000 new jobs created in Texas since the recovery began -- or 13 percent -- were in government. And 82 percent of those new government jobs were in local government. Texas's public sector has expanded by more than 2 percent in the past two years -- very nearly as fast as its private sector.

• Another 39,500 -- just over 13 percent -- were in oil and gas extraction, or in support activities for mining, a category that includes oil-field services companies.

• Even more -- 78,000, or 26 percent -- were in home health-care services or "ambulatory health-care services," while an additional 64,000, or 21 percent, were in "administrative and support services". Another 43,000, or 14 percent, were in "employment services."

• And 24,000, or 7.9 percent, were in "food services and drinking places" -- restaurants and bars, essentially.
Together, those categories account for nearly 95 percent of the new jobs created in Texas.

The manufacturing sector, which nationwide has seen renewed growth in recent years, has lost 1,800 jobs in Texas over the same period.
These numbers complicate Perry's story of a free-market paradise in the Lone Star State."
Texas job boom under Perry driven by government, energy and service sectors, numbers show | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
 
Catawba said:
Thanks for your opinion.

"But instead of speculating, let's look at the data. The Lookout used jobs data compiled by the Department of Labor to determine which industries have gained jobs in Texas since June 2009. Here's what we found:

• Roughly 39,000 out of the 302,000 new jobs created in Texas since the recovery began -- or 13 percent -- were in government. And 82 percent of those new government jobs were in local government. Texas's public sector has expanded by more than 2 percent in the past two years -- very nearly as fast as its private sector.

• Another 39,500 -- just over 13 percent -- were in oil and gas extraction, or in support activities for mining, a category that includes oil-field services companies.

• Even more -- 78,000, or 26 percent -- were in home health-care services or "ambulatory health-care services," while an additional 64,000, or 21 percent, were in "administrative and support services". Another 43,000, or 14 percent, were in "employment services."

• And 24,000, or 7.9 percent, were in "food services and drinking places" -- restaurants and bars, essentially.
Together, those categories account for nearly 95 percent of the new jobs created in Texas.

The manufacturing sector, which nationwide has seen renewed growth in recent years, has lost 1,800 jobs in Texas over the same period.
These numbers complicate Perry's story of a free-market paradise in the Lone Star State."
Texas job boom under Perry driven by government, energy and service sectors, numbers show | The Lookout - Yahoo! News
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A job is a job and his record is still better thanObama's.
 
Leading the nation in the percentage of minimum wage jobs is not exactly a line you want to put on your job application unless you are proud of winning the race to the bottom and being the coach of that particular team.
 
SPC said:
A job is a job and his record is still better thanObama's.
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I am glad you see how the stimulus helped create the jobs in Texas, which by the way Perry badmouthed even as he accepted more of it than any other state except California and New York!

You should also be happy then with the new jobs bill in Congress! :sun
 
Catawba said:
I am glad you see how the stimulus helped create the jobs in Texas, which by the way Perry badmouthed even as he accepted more of it than any other state except California and New York!

You should also be happy then with the new jobs bill in Congress! :sun
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And tell us again, how many jobs has Obama created?
 
Thunder said:
more than would have been created had he not passed a stimulus package.
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He's lost more jobs than he supposedly "created" His unemployment rate is still over 9% with another 408,000 jobs being lost this week. At least Perry has a record of creating jobs and keeping them.
 
SPC said:
He's lost more jobs than he supposedly "created" His unemployment rate is still over 9% with another 408,000 jobs being lost this week. At least Perry has a record of creating jobs and keeping them.
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Creating jobs with federal money.
 
SPC said:
He's lost more jobs than he supposedly "created" His unemployment rate is still over 9% with another 408,000 jobs being lost this week. At least Perry has a record of creating jobs and keeping them.
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You do realize that the growth in the unemployment rate was over 400% larger under George Bush than it is under Barack Obama as President don't you?
 
haymarket said:
You do realize that the growth in the unemployment rate was over 400% larger under George Bush than it is under Barack Obama as President don't you?
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Bush had 50 straight months of job growth. So far Obama has had over 30 months of job loss. The days of blaming Bush have proven ineffective. In fact, that's why Obama's approval ratings have dropped so low. People are getting tired of hearing Obama blame Bush for the the Democrats' screw ups. Obama had a supermajority in the Senate and a majority in the House from 2009-2010. He did nothing but ruin our economy during that time.
 
SPC said:
Bush had 50 straight months of job growth. So far Obama has had over 30 months of job loss. The days of blaming Bush have proven ineffective. In fact, that's why Obama's approval ratings have dropped so low. People are getting tired of hearing Obama blame Bush for the the Democrats' screw ups. Obama had a supermajority in the Senate and a majority in the House from 2009-2010. He did nothing but ruin our economy during that time.
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But you do realize that the growth in the unemployment rate under George Bush was over 400% higher than it has been under Barack Obama as President don't you?
 
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haymarket said:
But you do realize that the unemployment rate under George Bush was over 400% higher than it has been under Barack Obama as President don't you?
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No, it wasn't. When Bush left office the Unemployment rate was just barely 8%. Under Obama the Unemployment rate has shot up in the 2 and a half years he had been in office to over 9%. During the 6 years Bush had a Republican Congress the Unemplyment rate was 5.2%. It didn't start going up until after 2007 when the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress.
 
SPC said:
No, it wasn't. When Bush left office the Unemployment rate was just barely 8%. Under Obama the Unemployment rate has shot up in the 2 and a half years he had been in office to over 9%. During the 6 years Bush had a Republican Congress the Unemplyment rate was 5.2%. It didn't start going up until after 2007 when the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress.
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As I first said in my post #89 on the previous page

You do realize that the growth in the unemployment rate was over 400% larger under George Bush than it is under Barack Obama as President don't you?[
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You do realize that is an actual indisputable historical fact now don't you?
 
haymarket said:
As I first said in my post #89 on the previous page



You do realize that is an actual indisputable historical fact now don't you?
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No, it's liberal spin to hide the fact that Obama is a failure. You want to know what Obama inhereted from Bush? A AAA S&P credit rating, that Obama destroyed.
 
haymarket said:
But you do realize that the growth in the unemployment rate under George Bush was over 400% higher than it has been under Barack Obama as President don't you?
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No, I don't realize that. Your argument hangs on a technicality, which is that unemployment numbers are calculated as a ratio of those who are looking for work as the proportion of those who are working. This completely ignores all of those who've dropped out of the labor force due to finding no work.

In January 2001, the month of Bush's inauguration, the labor force participation rate was 67.2% and when he left office, using the last full month of his tenure, Dec. 2008, the workforce participation rate was 65.8%, a drop of 1.4% of the population.

When Obama was inaugurated the workforce participation rate was 65.7% and the most current workforce participation rate is 63.9%, a drop of 1.8%.

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SPC said:
And tell us again, how many jobs has Obama created?
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2.7 million so far, which includes a large number of jobs in Texas that Perry is claiming credit for.
 
Bachmann certainly won't. She's simply too far to the right to appeal to moderates/swing voters (who as everyone knows are the ones to really decide elections). Her extremism won't go over well. I can't say about Perry since I simply don't know much about him.
 
Catawba said:
2.7 million so far, which includes a large number of jobs in Texas that Perry is claiming credit for.
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Compared to the over three million that Buch created I would say Bush's record is better. And out of those supposed 2.7 million jobs you claim Obama created he has lost double that amount.
 
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