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Are you smarter than The Obama?

Are you smarter than The Obama?


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I didn't say he was stupid but I don't hold the view that being credentialed, necessarily makes someone smart.
I don't hold that view either. I do, however, hold the view that a certain level and type of "credentials" is evidence of intelligence. If he had these credentials, but got poor reviews and was never offered tenure, then I'd be more inclined to say that his credentials may not be evidence of intelligence.
 
I'm just saying that student reviews may not necessarily be based on values that matter. For example, "great" may translate to "easy A" or "entertaining."
 
Not really.
Academic smarts can sometimes shroud a true dumbass, I've known many.

Actual smart. The ability to analyze information. You may disagree with somebody politically or whatever, but how smart they are is definitely still measurable, and somebody who is a law professor at the U of Chicago is ridiculously smart. Just to attend the U of Chicago Law School you need to be approaching genius IQ. To be a professor there you need to be one step ahead of all your students all the time. And out of all the law schools out there, Chicago is generally seen as the most rigorous, no-bs, kind of a school. Very analytical, a lot of economics, etc.
 
The average LSAT score at Harvard Law equates to an IQ of 141. So, a distinct step above your highest score and yes, 141 is in the genius range. And that's just the average. He came out magna cum laude, so he beat out most the students there, meaning his score was likely above average for Harvard Law.

It means no such thing. Obama is black, which means that he qualified for admission under very relaxed standards. Obama didn't make honor roll at Columbia during his undergraduate education. His grades certainly weren't the factor that got him into Harvard Law.

When Obama was in law school, Latin Honors were extended to the top 76% of graduates. It's entirely possible to chart a course through law school, after first year requirements, which loads up on "fluff" courses loaded with race issues and which are notorious for their easy grading compared to more intellectually challenging classes found in fields like patent law or securities law.

Until we saw Obama's transcripts so that we can determine the intellectual challenge of the classes he took, his Magna latin honor doesn't tell us jack about his placement in relation to others in his graduating class.
 
You slinging the "white supremacist" charge is like a monkey flinging its own poo.

The facts are that it is unheard of for a candidate applying to be a professor at law schools, never mind top law schools, to even be considered for the position without having a publication record of some kind, without having achievements of some kind, and Obama had nothing - he had no publications, he had no career achievements. He was black. University of Chicago Law School had an embarrassing shortage of black law school faculty.

UC had stacks of resumes of better qualified candidates but they weren't black. Why would a top tier law school choose to ignore better qualified applicants and instead decide to hire a man who had no qualifications for the job other than being a law school graduate who got press because he was a black man elected to the position of President of Harvard Law Review.

Simply put, his hiring at UC was just another affirmative action boost for Obama.

You can't complain about being accused of spreading white supremacist rhetoric at the start of your post then go on to blurt out a bunch more white supremacist rhetoric in the rest of your post...

Surely there is some way you can feel ok about yourself without trying to hurt others for no reason, isn't there?
 
Actual smart. The ability to analyze information. You may disagree with somebody politically or whatever, but how smart they are is definitely still measurable, and somebody who is a law professor at the U of Chicago is ridiculously smart. Just to attend the U of Chicago Law School you need to be approaching genius IQ. To be a professor there you need to be one step ahead of all your students all the time. And out of all the law schools out there, Chicago is generally seen as the most rigorous, no-bs, kind of a school. Very analytical, a lot of economics, etc.

I understand that, but having all the information and having no understanding of practical application, tends to offer me a picture in the opposite direction.

Name dropping school X,Y, or Z does not change my view on this.
Again, though I didn't say PBO was dumb, unintelligent, etc.
I said the contrary.
 
I don't think he is any smarter then me, Ill call it even, but he's definitely not stupid... definitely misled and a little arrogant, but not stupid.

What he does have over most of us... is that he is extremely more ambitious... and i am a lazy Physics student.
 
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When your in a thread its always a rich whining about everything and everyone else...

Did you work in a shipyard ? were you in the navy ? did you work around asbestos ? Call us NOW you may be entitled to money...I sure hope you have mesothelioma so I can get another 10grand off this class action lawsuit ive had going on for over 20 yrs...AHHH AMERICA is such a good country...
Theres tons of rich lawyers with no scruples sucking the lifeblood out of the country out of greed....but of course you would never acknowledge that lol

Your fixation with attorneys is pathetic but have you ever said what you do other than admitting to being a trade school enlistee?
 
I'm just saying that student reviews may not necessarily be based on values that matter. For example, "great" may translate to "easy A" or "entertaining."
And I'm saying that that doesn't really apply to UChicago. Bogus reviews for things like "easy A" and "entertaining" don't really happen. If he got generally good reviews for 12 years, I'm confident in saying that he was a smart, intellectual and challenging professor. Those are the standards by which Chicago hires teachers and by which students evaluate them.
 
Your fixation with attorneys is pathetic but have you ever said what you do other than admitting to being a trade school enlistee?

I dunno man, one of the most intelligent people I know, never went to university/trade school.
He is the head mechanic (and the best) at my plant, he learned everything from doing.
 
if you're saying what I think you are, then I can add "racist" to my list of reasons to lose respect for TD.

white males who had lower than 3.7 averages at schools such as columbia had less than a 4% chance of getting into Harvard law. Obama had under a 3.3. Being black counted for (on the 800 LSAT test) 130 points and a .5 GPA increase meaning a black with a 660 and a 3.3 GPA was treated the same as a white with a 790 out of 800 and a 3.8 GPA
 
He's had to have made some intelligent moves throughout his career to get to where he is now.

Aside from that he graduated Summa Cum Laude from Harvard.

I like to think I'm fairly intelligent (30 on the ACT, will soon have my Bachelor's and then a Master's down the road), but I don't have the drive or capability that he does.

he did not graduate Summa from Harvard but Magna which at the time meant he was one of the top 80 or so students out of 550. He didn't even make basic honors at columbia meaning his GPA was lower than a 3.3
 
Do you really think you can prove that you're smarter than Obama by blurting out idiotic white supremacist rhetoric? I hate to tell you, but that makes you look dumber, not smarter.

And he was a professor... He taught several standard law courses. His title was "lecturer" instead of "professor" because he wasn't tenure track. You don't sign up for tenure track unless you plan on teaching for the rest of your career. But he was definitely a full fledged professor. Full time, had his own classes like con law, etc.

why do far lefties try to paint conservatives as racists for telling the truth? The fact is a white male with Obama's academic record would never have been accepted into Harvard Law School and a white male with Obama's credentials would not have been elected president after an adoring press greased his path to the white house
 
The average LSAT score at Harvard Law equates to an IQ of 141. So, a distinct step above your highest score and yes, 141 is in the genius range. And that's just the average. He came out magna cum laude, so he beat out most the students there, meaning his score was likely above average for Harvard Law.



So you're saying that he is smart but you disagree with his politics. That's fine.

great-I had a 782/800 on the LSAT. that was in the top one percent. where does that put my IQ? My college roommate had double 800's on the SATs. He had 800's on 3 different achievement tests. He did 2K worth of Coke a month and left under academic suspension.
 
white males who had lower than 3.7 averages at schools such as columbia had less than a 4% chance of getting into Harvard law. Obama had under a 3.3. Being black counted for (on the 800 LSAT test) 130 points and a .5 GPA increase meaning a black with a 660 and a 3.3 GPA was treated the same as a white with a 790 out of 800 and a 3.8 GPA

Seriously, that's all you got? Insult him because of the color of his skin? Even if a black guy is a professor at a top 5 law school, in your eyes he's still just a stupid nigger? Go **** yourself.
 
The average LSAT score at Harvard Law equates to an IQ of 141
Source? That's not my intelligence meter going off, it's the bull**** meter.

So, a distinct step above your highest score and yes, 141 is in the genius range.
Well, not according to the two classifications of IQ which are used. Let me edumacate you:


The Terman's Stanford-Binet classification of genius range is 164 and over. The Wechsler classification has no genius classification, and simply identifies Very Superior at 130 and greater. So 141 to your earlier statement, is NOT genius level, it's in fact the same category as I am in; the range is "Superior Intelligence" at 132-148.

IQ reference chart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm very happy for his manga cum laude... but to Harry's earlier point, I too have known very academically smart dumb asses. Since I work in a portion of a company which hires Masters degree or higher educated personnel, I can attest to Harry's view and confirm it.

So you're saying that he is smart but you disagree with his politics. That's fine.

I think what I exactly said was:

Ockham said:
The man is academically smart. He's not stupid. He's misguided, he's misinformed by those around him and his character is what it is. I don't believe he's evil - he's just ineffective and has no business being the President. He'd make a good lawyer, a good CEO maybe, certainly someone in the private sector who would excel at his profession.
 
Seriously, that's all you got? Insult him because of the color of his skin? Even if a black guy is a professor at a top 5 law school, in your eyes he's still just a stupid nigger? Go **** yourself.


so you deny that the top law schools engage in affirmative action in favor of blacks both for student acceptances and teaching positions?

Your moronic and dishonest attempts to try to imply racism is disgusting.
 
Wow! That IS impressive given that the scale only goes up to 180!


are you so ignorant as to not realize that the LSAT was on an 800 scale for decades? when I took the LSAT in 1980 it was on that scale. Just like the Verbal and math SAT
 
Wow! That IS impressive given that the scale only goes up to 180!


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The test was written by ETS and administered by the Law School Admissions Council (on a 200-800 point scale) until 1981, at which time LSAC took over authorship of the exam (and began scoring it on a 48-point scale).

The test took its current form (with the 120-180 scaling) in 1991, and with the exception of the addition of Comparative Reading in June 2007, hasn’t changed in format since that time.
 
So 53% of you think you're as smart or smarter than a law professor from a top 5 law school... So at least half the people on this board are like supreme court justices, major inventors, rhodes scholars, NASA scientists, etc? Who knew!?

Those lawyers have got this country in the ****ed up mess its in now.
 
Seriously, that's all you got? Insult him because of the color of his skin? Even if a black guy is a professor at a top 5 law school, in your eyes he's still just a stupid nigger? Go **** yourself.

While I'm not sure about Turtle's stats, how was that an insult towards blacks? Races are treated differently when applying to schools. Many schools, law schools included, want a diverse population and thus offer acceptances based on that desire for a diverse student body. It pays to be a white male if you are going into nursing or engineering, but law school has no shortage of white males.
 
Law Schools Admission Requirements | LSAT Scoring | LSAT Questions | Studying for LSAT


The test was written by ETS and administered by the Law School Admissions Council (on a 200-800 point scale) until 1981, at which time LSAC took over authorship of the exam (and began scoring it on a 48-point scale).

The test took its current form (with the 120-180 scaling) in 1991, and with the exception of the addition of Comparative Reading in June 2007, hasn’t changed in format since that time.

TD, they think you're a youngin' like they are, without any experience and just out of school thinking they know everything.
 
You can't complain about being accused of spreading white supremacist rhetoric at the start of your post then go on to blurt out a bunch more white supremacist rhetoric in the rest of your post...

Surely there is some way you can feel ok about yourself without trying to hurt others for no reason, isn't there?

You're making a false equation, which is this:

Truth = white supremacist rhetoric.

Did Obama earn honors at Columbia? No, he did not. Is this white supremacist rhetoric?
Did Harvard have affirmative action programs when Obama was admitted? Yes, they did. Is this white supremacist rhetoric?

Here is what we know about the 1990 LSAT test takers, direct from a report issued by the LSAT organization. This is as close to the date of Obama's admission that I can find.

Total male test takers: 21,500
Total test takers: 40,027

Total black male test takers: 886
Total black female test takers: 1293

Means Scores by group & Standard Deviation:

Men: 32.87 & 8.11
Women: 31.95 & 8.06

Asian: 32.16 & 8.74
Black: 24.11 & 8.44
Caucasian: 33.33 & 7.54
Hispanic:28.68 & 8.68
Puerto Rican: 25.68 & 9.73
Mexican American: 27.89 & 8.56

This data give us some good material and from it we can build a distribution table.

In the entire nation, 86.26% of all black LSAT takers were below the white mean score. This means that Obama would have to be in the top 13.75% of all black LSAT test takers just to put him squarely in the middle of the pack of white LSAT test takers.

To put this another way, of all of the LSAT takers, let's use whites as comparison group because they had the highest mean score and the lowest SD of all the groups, meaning that they are going to be the most competitive group when applying to elite law schools.

There were 31,539 white test takers, with a mean score of 33.33 and a SD of 7.54. There were 16,770 white students who scored above 33.33 on the LSAT. There were 300 black students who scored at, or higher, than the white mean of 33.33.

If we go to the 1 SD level above the white mean, a score of 40.87, assuming a normal distribution, there were 4,367 white students who scored at that level or higher. There were, in that year, 97.647% of black students who scored lower than 40.87, meaning that there were only 51 students who earned a score of 40.87 or higher.

If we bump the threshold up to Harvard territory, say the top 5% of students then the figures for the top 5% of white students would put them at the 45.732 LSAT score of 48. Call it 46. This translates into 1,577 white students who've earned that score. For black students in that year, 99.479% scored below that number, meaning that 0.521% score at, or above, the top 5% of white students, or only 11 black students in the entire nation could match the 1,577 white students who scored in the top 5%.

The numbers after this point start to break down because we don't have the LSAT proprietary percentile rankings to discern how they break down the top 5% into smaller increments. Take note of the ever growing ratio of White:Black as we climb the percentile rank:

2183 Black test takers
31,539 white test takers,
ratio of 14.4475:1

At the 50th white percentile, the ratio was
16,770 white test takers
300 black test takers
ratio of 55.9:1

At the 84th percentile, the ratio was
4,367 white test takers
51 black test takers
ratio of 85.62:1

At the 95th percentile, the ratio was
1,577 white test takers
11 black test takers
ratio of 143.36:1

What was the mean LSAT score of Harvard Law School back when Obama applied? I don't know because I can't find the data. However, that data is available for more recent classes, so we can use that to guide our analysis.

Currently, the mean LSAT score for Harvard is 172 from a total score of 180. This puts the mean score at the 98.6 percentile. This means that the mean score of the current Harvard Law class puts them into the top 1.4% of all LSAT test takers.

In the entire nation in 1990 there were only 11 black LSAT test takers who could match the performance of the top 5% of white test takers. The mean test score of recent Harvard Law students puts them in the top 1.4% of all LSAT test takers.

If the ratio of white:black for the top 5% was 143:1 and there were only 11 black students who met that threshold, then it approaches a statistical certainty that there were no black students who placed in the top 1.4% of all test takers.

Of all the black LSAT test takers in 1990, I highly doubt that Obama would have qualified to reach that level if he had sat for the test that year.

The conclusion that Obama is an affirmative action case is pretty damn strong. He didn't qualify for admission to Harvard Law School based on his grades at Columbia because he never even made honor roll there. It pushes the limits of credibility to suppose that Obama made up for lackluster Columbia grades by knocking his LSAT out of the park. There just aren't that many black students who reach the upper realms of intelligence.

Conclusion: Obama was admitted because he was black.
 
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