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Are you smarter than The Obama?

Are you smarter than The Obama?

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TurtleDude said:
The latter group [Whites] values higher education far more than the former [Blacks]
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This comment is a dead giveaway. You are a racist.
 
Thunder said:
haven't you heard? it can't be racist if its true!!!

;)
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How is truth racist? I don't think various races have quantifiably different innate intelligence. A girl who used to work in my office was raised by whites. So were her chinese brother, Hispanic sister and another black girl like her. She graduated first in her class at a very good law school after being Phi beta Kappa from Indiana U Her test scores were the same high level as her white siblings who were the natural children of her adoptive parents (who were a college professor and a doctor) and her other adopted siblings of different races.
 
RiverDad said:
I simply stated that I reject creationist thinking. Your embrace of an appeal to some mystical force is not a rational position.
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theplaydrive said:
I asked you first: do you think that blacks are genetically predisposed to being less intelligent than whites?
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RiverDad said:
For everyone who is not a creationist, all the evidence points to this outcome. I'm not a creationist.
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Like I said, you think blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites. That's called racism.
 
Phys251 said:
This comment is a dead giveaway. You are a racist.
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notwithstanding your clear violation, you have to try to explain why blacks do so much worse on tests than whites and asians even when they come from wealthy families. Is it due to

1) innate ability

2) alleged racism in the school system

3) or that some groups value education more

while you are pondering those three choices, why do Jews make up large numbers of the students at the very best universities, colleges, and Law and Medical schools. Why are there far more Jewish senators than the 2% (ie 2) that would be the predicted norm. (both senators from California are Jewish to start with)
 
Thunder said:
how about you provide a source for your supposed "truth" about black and white test scores.
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you haven't read the stuff I have cited? or the stuff RD has cited?
 
Thunder said:
this thread has nothing to do with Creationism.
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The entire liberal viewpoint on race is predicated on creationist thinking. You guys have a holy belief that all of mankind is uniform in intelligence. That's demonstrably false. Rather than accept the consequences which arise from evolution you simply ignore them and you have the chutzpah to claim that you don't dispute the science which is built on evolutionary principles.

All around us is evidence that the consequences of mutation, selection effects and drift, have resulted in a wide variance on a number of human metrics and that the variance is not distributed equally amongst members of racial groups. No one has much problem with this so far, but liberals hold that some mysterious force field kept brains immune from any change and that everyone is equal.

That is an appeal to mysticism. That's creationism. Creationism is the foundation of the liberal world view.
 
TurtleDude said:
notwithstanding your clear violation, you have to try to explain why blacks do so much worse on tests than whites and asians even when they come from wealthy families.
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you gonna provide a source for this? if not then I will assume its from Stormfront.org


TurtleDude said:
Why are there far more Jewish senators than the 2% (ie 2) that would be the predicted norm. (both senators from California are Jewish to start with)
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what's this got to do with the topic?
 
theplaydrive said:
Like I said, you think blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites. That's called racism.
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That's simply you putting words into my mouth. Find where I wrote anything that resembles what you wrote. Inherently. Pah.

Let me turn it around on you. I've given you a freakin graduate seminar on psychometrics here, so return the favor and prove your case that intelligence doesn't vary across population groups.

Assuming positions in contravention of evidence is the hallmark of a religious article of faith.
 
Thunder said:
you gonna provide a source for this? if not then I will assume its from Stormfront.org




what's this got to do with the topic?
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Why do you obstruct threads demanding people repeat the proof that you demand. I cited that study by Rothstein et al that shows that blacks scored almost none of the top LSAT scores the year Obama was applying to law school

here is another bit of proof

The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test

n 1976 The College Board published an analysis of the racial differences in scores of the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT). At that time the average black score was about 240 points, or 20 percent, below the average white score. When The College Board next examined the racial scoring gap in the early 1980s, the gap had shrunk to 200 points. Black scores were then 17 percent lower than white scores. By 1988 the black-white SAT test scoring gap was down to 189 points. The trend was distinctly encouraging. Many specialists in the educational community predicted that in time the racial scoring gap would disappear altogether.

But after 1989 progress in closing the SAT gap stopped abruptly and later it began to open up. For the five-year period between 2000 and 2005 the gap between black and white scores on the SAT test expanded.

In 2005 the average black score on the combined math and verbal portions of the SAT test was 864. The mean white score on the combined math and verbal SAT was 1068, 17 percent higher.

In 1988 the combined mean score for blacks on both the math and verbal portions of the SAT was 847. By 2005 the average black score had risen only 17 points, or about 1.4 percent, to 864.


The Test Score Gap | Secrets Of The Sat | FRONTLINE | PBS

The gap in SAT scores persists even at the highest levels of achievement. A study of the 1989 applicants to five highly-selective universities found that white candidates' average combined SAT score was 186 points higher than the corresponding SAT average for African American applicants. Close to 75 percent of the white applicants scored over 1200 on the SAT, while 29 percent of black applicants did. The results of this study were reported in the 1998 book The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions, by Derek Bok and William Bowen, former presidents of Harvard and Princeton universities.
 
RiverDad said:
..Let me turn it around on you. I've given you a freakin graduate seminar on psychometrics here, so return the favor and prove your case that intelligence doesn't vary across population groups....
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please show us IQ scores from Africans and Europeans (not in the USA), all of the same socio-economic status, showing that blacks do poorer than whites.
 
TurtleDude said:
Why do you obstruct threads demanding people repeat the proof that you demand. I cited that study by Rothstein et al that shows that blacks scored almost none of the top LSAT scores the year Obama was applying to law school

here is another bit of proof

The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test

n 1976 The College Board published an analysis of the racial differences in scores of the Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT). At that time the average black score was about 240 points, or 20 percent, below the average white score. When The College Board next examined the racial scoring gap in the early 1980s, the gap had shrunk to 200 points. Black scores were then 17 percent lower than white scores. By 1988 the black-white SAT test scoring gap was down to 189 points. The trend was distinctly encouraging. Many specialists in the educational community predicted that in time the racial scoring gap would disappear altogether.

But after 1989 progress in closing the SAT gap stopped abruptly and later it began to open up. For the five-year period between 2000 and 2005 the gap between black and white scores on the SAT test expanded.

In 2005 the average black score on the combined math and verbal portions of the SAT test was 864. The mean white score on the combined math and verbal SAT was 1068, 17 percent higher.

In 1988 the combined mean score for blacks on both the math and verbal portions of the SAT was 847. By 2005 the average black score had risen only 17 points, or about 1.4 percent, to 864.


The Test Score Gap | Secrets Of The Sat | FRONTLINE | PBS

The gap in SAT scores persists even at the highest levels of achievement. A study of the 1989 applicants to five highly-selective universities found that white candidates' average combined SAT score was 186 points higher than the corresponding SAT average for African American applicants. Close to 75 percent of the white applicants scored over 1200 on the SAT, while 29 percent of black applicants did. The results of this study were reported in the 1998 book The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions, by Derek Bok and William Bowen, former presidents of Harvard and Princeton universities.
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none of this says anything about blacks from rich families doing poorer on tests that whites from low-income families.

hence, your claim is clearly a racist lie. otherwise you would have supported it with actual evidence.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html

When black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their preadolescent test scores rise dramatically. Black adoptees' scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this is what we would expect if, as seems likely, their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black adolescents and becomes less like that of the average white adolescent.

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--The number of affluent black parents has grown substantially since the 1960s, but their children's test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. Income inequality between blacks and whites appears to play some role in the test score gap, but it is quite small.
 
Thunder said:
this is a pathetic and stupid lie, as most Liberals believe in Evolution.
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Oh really? Tell me one liberal public policy which is formulated on the principles of evolution. Tell me one public policy which acknowledges the evolutionary principle that there is genetic variation across population groups.

Liberals wear their belief of evolution as a cloak. They use it to distinguish themselves from the religious. Liberals love to feed their ego, their self-image of being more intelligent and more enlightened and more open to critical reasoning. They mouth the words but the lay liberal doesn't know jack about evolution.

The engine that drives evolution is difference. Without differences evolutionary principles cease functioning. You can't believe in evolution and simultaneous believe in uniformity. Liberals adhere to the religious view that there is a uniformity of intelligence across all of mankind.

The liberal position on evolution is a hot mess. There has been no mystical force which put a force field around the human brain and kept it uniform for all of mankind. That's an appeal to a religious position.
 
Thunder said:
none of this says anything about blacks from rich families doing poorer on tests that whites from low-income families.

hence, your claim is clearly a racist lie. otherwise you would have supported it with actual evidence.
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Oops you err again

--The number of affluent black parents has grown substantially since the 1960s, but their children's test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. Income inequality between blacks and whites appears to play some role in the test score gap, but it is quite small.
 
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