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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

It disproves your claim that those that disagree with you are extremists, we are in fact the majority.

Oh I agree there are a far greater number of non achievers and unsuccessful than there are winners, achievers and even net tax payers. For every PGA champion there are a million duffers, for every Olympic Gold medalist there are thousands of people who don't even try to be the best they could be

your side wins when you convince a majority of those in the middle that trying to achieve is not worth the effort and winning is too long a shot because the odds are against them

my side wins when the majority believes there is value in making the effort even if you don't get the gold medal

and you are an extremist catawba, most people don't hate the rich and blame them for their lot in life
 
you appear rather agitated. Corporations can tend to move to where labor is available. How about your working class heroes that you bray about?? Economic reality and economic power might not be comforting to those on the bottom of the totem pole but denying obvious realities are silly.


I am sorry that you don't like the golden rule-that being those who have the gold make the rules but ranting about it doesn't solve your obvious problems

I think of labor as a commodity through design. Barge those jobs to cheap labor. Not that I like it ... it just is. The ranting is about advertisement and education, in time as labor loses ground more opportunity exists for change. When labor is unaware and continually allows access to markets for cheap labor goods ... their deserved punishment continues. I enjoyed the honest post as educational for those who vote for poverty.
 
2) Marx defined commodity to include labor. Labor, like energy, material, etc are items a manufacturer needs to produce a product. Its idiotic for a manufacturer to pay more for any of those items than the going market rate.

You can't treat labor like a commodity, and I'll put it simply here as to why:

What do you pay for an ingredient or packaging material? The cheapest possible price possible - right?

When your company has an increase in profits, say 20%, would you opt to pay for those packaging materials at a higher price too? Of course not. You keep it at the lowest possible price.

So if you're going to treat labor like a commodity are you saying that as a company's profits grow, at no point should you ever opt to pay your workers any better (because they're a commodity after all), and that you should continue to pay them the lowest possible dirt cheap price?

If so, I think you'd make a pretty crappy boss.

Personally, I'd like to share the profits with the employees who helped make the company profitable.

People = Labor =/= Commodities
 
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You can't treat labor like a commodity, and I'll put it simply here as to why:

What do you pay for an ingredient or packaging material? The cheapest possible price possible - right?

When your company has an increase in profits, say 20%, would you opt to pay for those packaging materials at a higher price too? Of course not. You keep it at the lowest possible price.

So if you're going to treat labor like a commodity are you saying that as a company's profits grow, at no point should you ever opt to pay them any better (because they're a commodity after all), and that you should continue to pay them the lowest possible dirt cheap price?

I don't know about you but as a head of a company, I'd like to share the profits with the employees who helped make the company profitable.

If you can get a higher standard of labor by paying more than you should. that makes sense. paying more than the market rate because you can is going to hurt your enterprise in the long run unless you get an increase in quality
 
ah the subtle threats-the masses will revolt!!

as i said earlier start your revolt on my property

Why do you persist in the delusion that if a revolt does come somebody representing the people you hate will agree to meet you at high noon on your driveway, calmly discuss a choice of weapons and thirty paces will provide a structure for the contest? Then your self proclaimed superior training and love of all things that go BANG will allow you to triumph, your name will be etched on a DO NOT BOTHER list and you and yours will continue to live a life of luxury?
 
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Why do you persist in the delusion that if a revolt does come somebody the people you hate will agree to meet you at high noon on your driveway, calmly discuss a choice of weapons and thirty paces will provide a structure for the contest? Then your self proclaimed superior training and love of all things that go BANG will allow you to triumph, your name will be etched on a DO NOT BOTHER list and you and yours will continue to live a life of luxury?

I have no clue what you are talking about or why you defend that implied threats of violence that others persist in making
 
I have no clue what you are talking about or why you defend that implied threats of violence that others persist in making

Your threats are clear and unmistakable made time and time again. You should have far more than a clue since you boldly brag about your prowess with weapons and your eagerness to use them should the revolution come to the Turtle McMansion.
 
Your threats are clear and unmistakable made time and time again. You should have far more than a clue since you boldly brag about your prowess with weapons and your eagerness to use them should the revolution come to the Turtle McMansion.

us conservatives make individual self defense a personal responsibility.
 
us conservatives make individual self defense a personal responsibility.

if not an outright fetish that dominates and controls much of your life.... of course, that is your right
 
Oh I know what unions do for their members. I constantly read step 2 decisions and arbitration transcripts.

So you have been a union member ?

After all to have first hand knowledge you must have,or maybe some one filled you in?
 
if not an outright fetish that dominates and controls much of your life.... of course, that is your right

I guess to the socialist left that tends to outsource all traditional personal responsibilities to the state, the concept of self defense is a fetish.
 
So you have been a union member ?

After all to have first hand knowledge you must have,or maybe some one filled you in?

I have represented labor unions and management in my 27 years of being an attorney.
 
If you can get a higher standard of labor by paying more than you should. that makes sense. paying more than the market rate because you can is going to hurt your enterprise in the long run unless you get an increase in quality

TD - I'm talking worker 'John' is the same skill level today as he is tomorrow. If you pay him more, same labor quality will be provided.

So despite the profit jump, you would not increase his pay?

Tell me where then does all of the profit go that worker 'John' helped create? (ponder that for a moment)

The only way workers can get a share of profits is if their skill level increases??

This is exactly why labor can't be treated like a commodity.

Thanks for helping me make my point.
 
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Why you do of course....you know everything...YOUR THE TURTLEDUDE...look up in the sky, its a bird, its a plane NOoooooooooooo....ITS SUPERTURDLEDUDE.....lol...

Yeah, but it's kind of a sad case really.

Superman had his weakness kryptonite
Superdude has two weaknesss Reality and interogitive sentences.
 
I guess to the socialist left that tends to outsource all traditional personal responsibilities to the state, the concept of self defense is a fetish.

Not at all. I have no problem with it.

I do have to raise an eyebrow when I hear or read the comments from somebody who describes guns like he is having a good time with a Playboy centerfold. The line crosses from a simple appreciation of self defense to just plain weirdness.
 
Oh I agree there are a far greater number of non achievers and unsuccessful than there are winners, achievers and even net tax payers. For every PGA champion there are a million duffers, for every Olympic Gold medalist there are thousands of people who don't even try to be the best they could be

your side wins when you convince a majority of those in the middle that trying to achieve is not worth the effort and winning is too long a shot because the odds are against them

my side wins when the majority believes there is value in making the effort even if you don't get the gold medal

and you are an extremist catawba, most people don't hate the rich and blame them for their lot in life

I do not hate the rich and blame them for my lot in life. Unlike the majority of the middle class, I have no complaint's about my lot in life. The issue is that a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top. Too bad you are not as good at providing facts to back up your absurd claim that the middle class are failures, as are in your ability to lie.
 
TD - I'm talking worker 'John' is the same skill level today as he is tomorrow. If you pay him more, same labor quality will be provided.

So despite the profit jump, you would not increase his pay?

Tell me where then does all of the profit go that worker 'John' helped create? (ponder that for a moment)

The only way workers can get a share of profits is if their skill level increases??

This is exactly why labor can't be treated like a commodity.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

if you can obtain the same quality and quantity of labor for the same price why would you?

It violates your fiduciary duty to the shareholders

it puts you at a competitive disadvantage compared to your competition
 
Not at all. I have no problem with it.

I do have to raise an eyebrow when I hear or read the comments from somebody who describes guns like he is having a good time with a Playboy centerfold. The line crosses from a simple appreciation of self defense to just plain weirdness.

You must be reading posts I have not written. or interpreting them in a most strange fashion, Guns are tools, tools that I have spent many years training with and using. Jan Ove Waldner doesn't "love" his Donic table tennis bat, and Rick McKinney didn't have a thing for his hoyt bow. Neither do I for guns.
 
I do not hate the rich and blame them for my lot in life. Unlike the majority of the middle class, I have no complaint's about my lot in life. The issue is that a consumer economy cannot prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top. Too bad you are not as good at providing facts to back up your absurd claim that the middle class are failures, as are in your ability to lie.

what is success and what is failure. You apparently judge yourself a failure based on your complaints about those who are not
 
if you can obtain the same quality and quantity of labor for the same price why would you?

It violates your fiduciary duty to the shareholders

it puts you at a competitive disadvantage compared to your competition

So you are saying that a company's profits are only to be reaped by the shareholders, never to be at least partially shared with the workers who created the profits, unless the workers can provide a higher quality of labor than they provided to create the profits in the first place?

Something doesn't seem fair about that TD.
 
what is success and what is failure. You apparently judge yourself a failure based on your complaints about those who are not

More lies and zero facts. What reason should we have to ever expect anything else from you?

If you can manage to avoid the temptation to whine about how hard the rich have it for a few seconds, tell us how a consumer economy can prosper when most of the wealth is concentrated at the top?
 
you appear rather agitated. Corporations can tend to move to where labor is available. How about your working class heroes that you bray about?? Economic reality and economic power might not be comforting to those on the bottom of the totem pole but denying obvious realities are silly.


I am sorry that you don't like the golden rule-that being those who have the gold make the rules but ranting about it doesn't solve your obvious problems

Ah another mistake turtle not agitated just leveling the playing feild, had to come down to your level but what te Hell?

Working class heros that I bray about want to challange that?
Because these working class heros buy products and invest in American corporations, so unless these corporations that move so well aren't real nice to American worker heros, they stop buying American products and investing in American products.
Then that black ink will start turning red once more.

See like it or not the ones at the top of the totem pole get most of their money from the ones further down the totem pole.

Those who have the gold may make the rules, but keeping the Gold , well that's another matter.
Want a list?
How about Enron used to have money
Freddie Mac
Fannie May
Real estate brokers.
GM used to have money
American vidieo games used to have money Budweiser used to have American owned mney
Chrysler used to have American controled stock money.
NEED I GO ON???
 
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So you are saying that a company's profits are only to be reaped by the shareholders, never to be at least partially shared with the workers who created the profits, unless the workers can provide a higher quality of labor than they provided to create the profits in the first place?

Something doesn't seem fair about that TD.

fair is not a really relevant concept and it would be unfair to the owners of the corporation for management to pay too much for something that can be obtained for less

should the corporation pay its energy and steel and plastics and lumber suppliers more than the going rate as well to be "fair"
 
Ah another mistake turtle not agitated just leveling the playing feild, had to come down to your level but what te Hell?

Working class heros that I bray about want to challange that?
Because these working class heros buy products and invest in American corporations, so unless these corporations that move so, well aren't real nice to American worker heros they stop buying American products and investing in American products.
Then that black ink will start turning red once more.

See like it or not the ones at the top of the totem pole get most of their money from the ones further down the totem pole.

Those who have the gold may make the rules but keeping the Gold , well that's another matter.
Want a list?
How about Enron used to have money
Freddie Mac
Fannie May
Real estate brokers.
GM used to have money
American vidieo games used to have money Budweiser used to have American owned mney
Chrysler used to have American controled stock money.
NEED I GO ON???

as you become more agitated the clarity of your posts wane from somewhat understandable to opaque psychobabbling nonsense
 
You must be reading posts I have not written. or interpreting them in a most strange fashion, Guns are tools, tools that I have spent many years training with and using. Jan Ove Waldner doesn't "love" his Donic table tennis bat, and Rick McKinney didn't have a thing for his hoyt bow. Neither do I for guns.

I am glad to see that you can say that. Now all that you have to do is avoid writing posts as if you do in the future.
 
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