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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

TurtleDude said:
and many of us see strong corporations and state governments as a bulwark against socialism and abuses of a centralized government
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and that is unfortunate that you would cast your lot with both the oppressors and the traditional foe of the rights of the downtrodden.
 
haymarket said:
What is BS is that you pretend that you have some sort of sacred knowledge that union members do not have. That is the ultimate BS.
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I think being a labor lawyer with a masters in labor relations puts me a bit ahead of your average Postal worker or union stooge. How many union members have law or labor relations degrees Haymarket? You
 
haymarket said:
and that is unfortunate that you would cast your lot with both the oppressors and the traditional foe of the rights of the downtrodden.
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that is truly funny coming from someone who lionizes big government

lets do a body count

how many people have been murdered by corporations over say the last 100 years versus big governments?
 
TurtleDude said:
true, I don't know anything about broadway musicals, HVAC repair, tap dancing, or servicing hard drives.

Labor law and labor history, have a masters in that
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In that you remind me of Dr. Joyce Brothers who as a young woman in 1955 competed on a game show - The 64,000 Dollar Question - and was given the category of boxing. She memorized stats and record books and won the grand prize winning a great deal of money at that time. She could tell you just about every single person who fought for a professional boxing title, who the opponent was, who won and in what round and how.

Dr. Joyce Brothers had no knowledge of how to either throw or take a punch and never boxed in her life.

So much for your masters in labor history.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Oh I am sure people like Buffett and Soros want one and they think jacking up taxes to insulate their positions might work
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Wait wait wait! So you believe that Buffett and Soros want to raise taxes on themselves to protect their earnings?
 
TurtleDude said:
that is truly funny coming from someone who lionizes big government

lets do a body count

how many people have been murdered by corporations over say the last 100 years versus big governments?
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Sadly we will never know the body count of dead, wounded , maimed and injured at the hands of corporations and their abuses. I sure wish did though.
 
haymarket said:
In that you remind me of Dr. Joyce Brothers who as a young woman in 1955 competed on a game show - The 64,000 Dollar Question - and was given the category of boxing. She memorized stats and record books and won the grand prize winning a great deal of money at that time. She could tell you just about every single person who fought for a professional boxing title, who the opponent was, who won and in what round and how.

Dr. Joyce Brothers had no knowledge of how to either throw or take a punch and never boxed in her life.

So much for your masters in labor history.
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your problem is that you make assumptions that having a great deal of education in a field precludes one from having practical experience such as trying a "decertification" trial or being involved in a "supervised election" by the DOL or defending a bunch of 301(a) LMRA Cases

so you are just making stuff up or hoping for something. and since I have been on both sides of the table in such cases I believe i have a far better perspective than someone whose only experience is that of a unionista
 
TurtleDude said:
I think being a labor lawyer with a masters in labor relations puts me a bit ahead of your average Postal worker or union stooge. How many union members have law or labor relations degrees Haymarket? You
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It puts you in the position of the dried up old spinster and her shelves filled with worn romance novels who has never been kissed.

It puts you in the position of the cook book writer who can sell thousands of copies filled with recipes but who has trouble boiling water.

It puts you in the position of Dr. Joyce Brothers trying to take or throw a punch in a boxing wring.

Your highly negative and prejudicial attitude about labor unions and working people tells us all we need to know about your "knowledge" on the subject.

Care to tell us which side you were on in the decertification trial you boast about?
 
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haymarket said:
Sadly we will never know the body count of dead, wounded , maimed and injured at the hands of corporations and their abuses. I sure wish did though.
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its would pale compared to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Nazis and other malignant governments run amok

and if there were no corporations we wouldn't have the top standard of living and your sainted union wouldn't exist either
 
haymarket said:
It puts you in the position of the dried up old spinster and her shelves filled with worn romance novels who has never been kissed.

It puts you in the position of the cook book writer who can sell thousands of copies filled with recipes but who has trouble boiling water.

It puts you in the position of Dr. Joyce Brothers trying to take or throw a punch in a boxing wring.
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you are making stuff up

we have had clowns claim i am not a lawyer
we have had people claim i have lied about my education
and now you pretend I have no practical knowledge about labor relations

all stuff that is made up because those uttering such stupidity cannot handle the facts
 
TurtleDude said:
you can take cheap shots at my credibility all you want. its common among a few of the extreme lefties on this forum. I couldn't care less

the fact is the claim on the table is that the average union member is more knowledgeable about labor laws and unions' place in american politics. I deny that.

I also find it interesting that those who demand the most information from other posters are least able or willing to honestly answer questions put to them
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Oh, I never pass up a chance to show off... just... haven't see a question put to me yet.

Yet I've seen you dodge three of mine. I find that people that talk about their alleged CV to impart authority on a subject, in order to avoid that subject... suspect.

As to the claim on the table... the average union member is more knowledgeable than who?

You?

So far all they'd have to do is cite any fact about the case law you listed and they'd have shown more than you so far... just sayin'.

As for left, far left or otherwise... You can keep your labels... and your partisan party allegiances.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are making stuff up

we have had clowns claim i am not a lawyer
we have had people claim i have lied about my education
and now you pretend I have no practical knowledge about labor relations

all stuff that is made up because those uttering such stupidity cannot handle the facts
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Since when are your unsubstantiated claims considered fact by anyone other than you?
 
TurtleDude said:
I am really good with a gun almost as much with a knife so if its apocalypse now its gonna get ugly

I suspect I'd do pretty well against most of the people on this board.

Its like one guy noted on another thread. He was saying he was stockpiling food and his "nutty" neigbor was stockpiling ammo. Then he realized that if the SHTF, the other guy would be doing the eating.
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You have mentioned such boasts before and it is highly insulting and the antithesis of intellectual debate.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are making stuff up

we have had clowns claim i am not a lawyer
we have had people claim i have lied about my education
and now you pretend I have no practical knowledge about labor relations

all stuff that is made up because those uttering such stupidity cannot handle the facts
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No - what I claim is that any so called knowledge you have about labor unions does not in any way negate or mitigate your self imposed ideological blindness to what a labor union actually does for its members.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Oh, I never pass up a chance to show off... just... haven't see a question put to me yet.

Yet I've seen you dodge three of mine. I find that people that talk about their alleged CV to impart authority on a subject, in order to avoid that subject... suspect.

As to the claim on the table... the average union member is more knowledgeable than who?

You?

So far all they'd have to do is cite any fact about the case law you listed and they'd have shown more than you so far... just sayin'.

As for left, far left or otherwise... You can keep your labels... and your partisan party allegiances.
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yeah you are an objective poster? LOL you are as big a hack as anyone else-you just don't have the stones to put it in your lean.

my claims have been backed up by one of the administrators on this board and if you want to get the full story you can meet the standards I have constantly applied. agree to give this forum ten grand if I prove what I claim and I will prove it beyond any doubt to any two moderators. you pick one I pick the other
 
haymarket said:
No - what I claim is that any so called knowledge you have about labor unions does not in any way negate or mitigate your self imposed ideological blindness to what a labor union actually does for its members.
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Oh I know what unions do for their members. I constantly read step 2 decisions and arbitration transcripts.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh I know what unions do for their members. I constantly read step 2 decisions and arbitration transcripts.
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Thank you for proving my point that you know nothing about what it means to be in a union and what it means for a union to serve its members.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah you are an objective poster? LOL you are as big a hack as anyone else-you just don't have the stones to put it in your lean.

my claims have been backed up by one of the administrators on this board and if you want to get the full story you can meet the standards I have constantly applied. agree to give this forum ten grand if I prove what I claim and I will prove it beyond any doubt to any two moderators. you pick one I pick the other
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Turtle - really - come on now and get serious. I and others have challenged you to bets before and you run and hide. Lets be truthful here..... the only time you ever issue that 10$K challenge is when its about the equivalent of what you had for breakfast that morning. Your challenges are hollow and rigged as much as a game of three card monty on the streets of Brooklyn.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh I know what unions do for their members. I constantly read step 2 decisions and arbitration transcripts.
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LOL... you don't get it... and you want anyone to believe you're a lawyer? Do unsubstantiated claims work well for you in other areas of your life?

TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW OF THE CASES YOU LISTED, CITE, SOURCE AND LINK TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT.

Pretend you are in court... go ahead... give it a shot.
 
TurtleDude said:
its would pale compared to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Nazis and other malignant governments run amok
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This is your response?!?!?!?! You actually want to engage in the game of stacking up piles of crap and arguing about which smells worse? That is how you justify corporate mayhem? Amazing!!!!
 
Occam's Razor said:
LOL... you don't get it... and you want anyone to believe you're a lawyer? Do unsubstantiated claims work well for you in other areas of your life?

TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW OF THE CASES YOU LISTED, CITE, SOURCE AND LINK TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT.

Pretend you are in court... go ahead... give it a shot.
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put up and I will. until then you are wasting bandwidth.

CC has already schooled a couple on this subject. I never doubted Haymarket's claims that he was a union member or officer. I find it funny that some of you libs cannot handle the fact i am an attorney
 
haymarket said:
This is your response?!?!?!?! You actually want to engage in the game of stacking up piles of crap and arguing about which smells worse? That is how you justify corporate mayhem? Amazing!!!!
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You love government and hate corporations. I merely point out that you worship an entity that has killed far more people
 
TurtleDude said:
put up and I will. until then you are wasting bandwidth.

CC has already schooled a couple on this subject. I never doubted Haymarket's claims that he was a union member or officer. I find it funny that some of you libs cannot handle the fact i am an attorney
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First, as I've said many times, I'm not a lib... or even close.

Second, it was YOU that took this thread off topic...
it was YOU that deflected something put to you by bringing up case law that you now won't talk about

and I and haymarket called you on it... so the onus is on you, YOU made the claims... YOU put up and I'll either admit that I'm wrong or never let you live it down.
 
Occam's Razor said:
First, as I've said many times, I'm not a lib... or even close.

Second, it was YOU that took this thread off topic...
it was YOU that deflected something put to you by bringing up case law that you now won't talk about

and I and haymarket called you on it... so the onus is on you, YOU made the claims... YOU put up and I'll either admit that I'm wrong or never let you live it down.
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Yawn, you aren't a lib. Okie dokie. I guess I missed your posts were you are conservative and only see the ones that ooze leftwing nonsense.

Put up or shut up. MOst other people aren't upset that I am an attorney. only a few fringers.
 
TurtleDude said:
Yawn, you aren't a lib. Okie dokie. I guess I missed your posts were you are conservative and only see the ones that ooze leftwing nonsense.

Put up or shut up. MOst other people aren't upset that I am an attorney. only a few fringers.
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I don't really care what you do... only that you try to use it as some sort of prop for your baseless arguments.

What exactly do you want me to put up? I made no claims... you did. It's on you sporto.

You brought up Taft-Hartley and Gompers but refused to say anything about how it relates to supporting your off topic position, except to bluster about your job and masters degree... alleged.

So... how about showing you know what you're talking about instead of just asking everyone to accept it without any proof. Again... don't care where your cracker-jack degree is from, if you can't speak on the issues YOU bring up... then all anyone can assume is you don't know...
 
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