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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

TurtleDude said:
Yawn. most of those who are poor are poor not because of what others have done to them but rather what they have done or not done to/for themselves
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So when all those people lost those jobs because of the economic crisis and got thrown out on the street and their houses its all there fault...?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So when all those people lost those jobs because of the economic crisis and got thrown out on the street and their houses its all there fault...?
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that accounts for most of the poor over the last three generations?
 
TurtleDude said:
might be socialism that is the problem given those numbers
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:lamo
You didnt answer the question Turtle... Plus the majority of the world follows a capitalistic model for economics....
Please answer the question.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:lamo
You didnt answer the question Turtle... Plus the majority of the world follows a capitalistic model for economics....
Please answer the question.
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the majority of the world?
 
TurtleDude said:
Yawn. most of those who are poor are poor not because of what others have done to them but rather what they have done or not done to/for themselves
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When you can't disapprove the facts you just try to yawn your way out of them, the american economic portion of the financial pie is just so big, when big business out sources american jobs that out sourcing reduces the employment opportunities for americans. To add insult to injury american businesses are giving tax payer dollars to relocate. Republicans and libertarians like you oppose bills that would make out sourcing more difficult. Those with use thier wealth to continue the plundering of the middle class and poor
 
EarlzP said:
When you can't disapprove the facts you just try to yawn your way out of them, the american economic portion of the financial pie is just so big, when big business out sources american jobs that out sourcing reduces the employment opportunities for americans. To add insult to injury american businesses are giving tax payer dollars to relocate. Republicans and libertarians like you oppose bills that would make out sourcing more difficult. Those with use thier wealth to continue the plundering of the middle class and poor
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we get the fact that you blame freedom for your lot in life and think a socialist government would make things so much better for you.

Sorry, those of us who are resourceful and ambitious don't want to be dragged down by the lowest common denominator nonsense of welfare socialism. I don't want to be heavily taxed and held back because others cannot keep up or don't want to keep up
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yes the majority of the world... And im still waiting for you to answer my question TD
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I don't really worry about the rest of the world. I worry about what I can control and what affects me. and most of those who are hungry in the USA are not hungry due to the "rich" but rather their own failings or the failings of their parents.. Nothing that creates a moral argument for the rich to be taxed more
 
It's purpose was to raise future tax liabilities:prof
 
Goldenboy219 said:
It's purpose was to raise future tax liabilities:prof
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wrong-that is what the irresponsible spending was designed to do

rather

buy the votes of current voters with the money of those who cannot vote yet
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-that is what the irresponsible spending was designed to do

rather

buy the votes of current voters with the money of those who cannot vote yet
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Research tax revenue as a % of output, then apply it to a historical context. George W invoked the same military Keynesian policy as Reagan; the problem is these sort of policies are never sustainable. Not to mention that they leave the fiscal authorities without much ammunition to fight the worst recession since the great depression.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Research tax revenue as a % of output, then apply it to a historical context. George W invoked the same military Keynesian policy as Reagan; the problem is these sort of policies are never sustainable. Not to mention that they leave the fiscal authorities without much ammunition to fight the worst recession since the great depression.
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The fact is, the rich pay too much of the income tax burden and they don't have enough to keep up with the mindless spending that the dems and some republicans crave
 
TurtleDude said:
we get the fact that you blame freedom for your lot in life and think a socialist government would make things so much better for you.

Sorry, those of us who are resourceful and ambitious don't want to be dragged down by the lowest common denominator nonsense of welfare socialism. I don't want to be heavily taxed and held back because others cannot keep up or don't want to keep up
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as has been shown repeatedly, you are not 'heavily' taxed.
 
TurtleDude said:
The fact is, the rich pay too much of the income tax burden
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Opinion

and they don't have enough to keep up with the mindless spending that the dems and some republicans crave
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This current level of spending is certainly unsustainable; i did not suggest it was.

It would be nice if you would actually respond to the content of my posts.
 
TurtleDude said:
we get the fact that you blame freedom for your lot in life and think a socialist government would make things so much better for you.

Sorry, those of us who are resourceful and ambitious don't want to be dragged down by the lowest common denominator nonsense of welfare socialism. I don't want to be heavily taxed and held back because others cannot keep up or don't want to keep up
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My lot in life? You have no idea of what my "lot" in life is, so just as general information I did pretty good. Unlike you I don't think of only myself nor do I think of just mine who has also done very well in her life. I think of my country and what the future holds for those that I leave the American way of life to.

I was not born sucking on the proverbal silver spoon, I have been very poor so I can relate, I was"lucky" enough to be able to work my way out and up. The freedoms we enjoy as Americans are great but with out the opportunity of descent paying employment opportunities what will those freedoms mean.
 
randel said:
as has been shown repeatedly, you are not 'heavily' taxed.
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the parasitic unionista left constantly claims that when they don't pay near the taxes I do.

when half of your next dollar is taken by state and federal governments that is "heavily taxed"

when a group that earns 22% of the income yet pays 40% of the income tax and the surcharge known as the death or estate tax, they are HEAVILY TAXED compared to those 47% who pay NO income and no estate tax


when you start paying as much tax dollars as I do you might have some standing to make such idiotic pronouncements. Until then, you are talking out of your six
 
EarlzP said:
My lot in life? You have no idea of what my "lot" in life is, so just as general information I did pretty good. Unlike you I don't think of only myself nor do I think of just mine who has also done very well in her life. I think of my country and what the future holds for those that I leave the American way of life to.

I was not born sucking on the proverbal silver spoon, I have been very poor so I can relate, I was"lucky" enough to be able to work my way out and up. The freedoms we enjoy as Americans are great but with out the opportunity of descent paying employment opportunities what will those freedoms mean.
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its better to suck on a silver spoon that was happily given than the public tit that is fueled by coercion
 
TurtleDude said:
the parasitic unionista left constantly claims that when they don't pay near the taxes I do.

when half of your next dollar is taken by state and federal governments that is "heavily taxed"

when a group that earns 22% of the income yet pays 40% of the income tax and the surcharge known as the death or estate tax, they are HEAVILY TAXED compared to those 47% who pay NO income and no estate tax


when you start paying as much tax dollars as I do you might have some standing to make such idiotic pronouncements. Until then, you are talking out of your six
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blah blah blah, unionista, blah blah blah....you make more, you pay more, get over it, dont like it, leave the country...your whole ' woe is me, i'm rich, boo hoo hoo, i'm taxed to much, boo hoo hoo' is hillarious. need a tissue?
 
EarlzP said:
My lot in life? You have no idea of what my "lot" in life is, so just as general information I did pretty good. Unlike you I don't think of only myself nor do I think of just mine who has also done very well in her life. I think of my country and what the future holds for those that I leave the American way of life to.

I was not born sucking on the proverbal silver spoon, I have been very poor so I can relate, I was"lucky" enough to be able to work my way out and up. The freedoms we enjoy as Americans are great but with out the opportunity of descent paying employment opportunities what will those freedoms mean.
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Kudos for your post Earl. You have said quite eloquently what many of us feel. We have done well and we enjoy the benefits and privileges of both being an American but living at a very opportune time for ourselves. We worked hard and are more fortunate than most. But we also have a love for our nation and for the American people. We want to see a sustainable America and a successful economy for as many as possible.

Some of us think of both the "I" and the "WE". And that is part of being an American.

Happy Labor Day.
 
randel said:
blah blah blah, unionista, blah blah blah....you make more, you pay more, get over it, dont like it, leave the country...your whole ' woe is me, i'm rich, boo hoo hoo, i'm taxed to much, boo hoo hoo' is hillarious. need a tissue?
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its you who needs the tissue. I thought you'd be down in cincinnati kissing up to Joe "the moron" Biden. He's at Coney Island slurping up to all the union types at the AFL CIO picnic. it will be a mutual admiration society of people who call each other "working people" when in reality union labor works less than just about any other class of employed person in the USA.
 
TurtleDude said:
its you who needs the tissue. I thought you'd be down in cincinnati kissing up to Joe "the moron" Biden. He's at Coney Island slurping up to all the union types at the AFL CIO picnic. it will be a mutual admiration society of people who call each other "working people" when in reality union labor works less than just about any other class of employed person in the USA.
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lol.....son, i do more work in my first hour on the job, than you do all week. get over yourself.
 
randel said:
lol.....son, i do more work in my first hour on the job, than you do all week. get over yourself.
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sure you do

I believe that I really do. the average associate at a decent size law firm puts in more hours in a week than many of you union types do in two or three. and they don't get "overtime" for it

Unions-less work for more pay. a great system until competition raises up its global head and smacks overpriced American unionistas right in the face
 
TurtleDude said:
its better to suck on a silver spoon that was happily given than the public tit that is fueled by coercion
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Sadly Turtle, there is a handicap in both. America is a great nation for many reasons - one of which is America is the land of opportunity where persons can make all they can of themselves and achieve their potential. Not only does this enrich the individual and their family, but it has wider ripples than enrich the society. When one is dependent on the government - or as you colorfully like to put it - suckling on the public teat - that serves as a brake on individual development and serves to limit undeveloped potential which is a handicap both to the individual and the larger society. The same can be said for those who are born on third base and like to think they have hit a home run in life as they cross the plate. Regardless on what is being suckled - they are suckling just the same. I have said this before regarding this topic - I greatly respect the self made man or woman who rises from average or humble origins and achieves great things. It does not mean I agree with their politics or all their economic decisions to achieve their fortune - but I can respect their struggle and their rise to success.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for those who inherit wealth and merely capitalize upon it, family connections and the network of the wealthy that is open to them and closed to most others. I realize that there are people who inherited wealth and also achieved in their own right. However, we will never ever know if they would have achieved had they been born into a humble or impoverished family and had been denied the advantages that they took as normal and due to them.
 
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