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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

Companies do seek consumers, employed people are consumers, profits dropped once companies needed bailouts.
Wall Street the Dow, Nasdaq, and S&P dropped 3 times in one month.
Math is math somebody is not spending enough could this have something to do with the less job market in America MAYBE?

If you are saying that the bailouts should not have happened, I agree.

Those cheap laborers in Tai Wan and Mexico aren't targeted consumers Americans are.

They aren't? I thought HP and Apple sold internationally. I thought Caterpillar sold internationally. When did they stop?

We had less regulations that caused bailouts and more loss of employment.

LOL! We had regulations and we still had a financial meltdown. Regulations did not stop it andthe current ones will only cause businesses to be less profitable causing less employment. Once again, we should not have had bailouts.

If corporations want American consumers business give Americans jobs cause foreign products are cheaper and better improved, so why buy American so they can have cheap labor in third world country and sell high in America.

They will give Americans jobs when the economy returns. The economy will not sufficiently return for the next 18 or 19 months, but it will return.

You forget the average American has to deal with taxes, regulations lower wages too, as well as budget cuts, salary cuts, education cuts without a bunch of Harvard lawyers and accountents.

Bad decisions with regards to Federal spending was a mistake. I take it you agree.

Hell the American government spent hundreds of millions on bailouts, grants and fat no bid contracts
What else you got?

I got everything I deserved. Nothing. That's how it should have been for the companies and the American people.

What fiscal policies in order?

End taxing companies and the economy will boom and Americans will have jobs galore.

The tricle down theory don't work
Outsourceing don't work

BMW, Mercedes, Honda, and other foreign companies thought outsourcing works when they opened plants in the U.S.

Budget cuts don't work.

We better hope that real cuts will be forthcoming.

Ask GMC, AIG,FREDDY MAC,FANNY MAE, ENRON, BUDWEISER, REAL ESTATE. Sears just to name a few.

Not sure what Anheuser Busch and Sears have to do with the rest, but I am for no bailouts to any entity and none should get subsidies. You are weeping to the wrong person.

You will find that my hungry dog theory works for although corporations and the top rich have the money, the average lower and poor working class has the numbers just a matter of time before investors start asking questions about the amount of their checks.
Other than shelter food, gas and car what new thing corporations has to sell is how do say,on the endangered species list, just like American jobs.:peace

Jeeze. Is your nickname Doom or is it Gloom? The best thing we could do is cut the government spending, do away with taxes on companies, minimize reglations, and unleash American industry keeping more in the U.S. Also, fine companies who hire illegals as when we stop allowing illegals to take American jobs, more jobs will be available for Americans and as more and more Americans are employed the law of supply and demand will increase wages for everyone as employees will be able to pick and choose what job they want. There is more that could be done on this issue, but this will do for now for a start.
 
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Then you need to go back and read it again. It says very clearly that if Gipper is correct, that should be easy for him to prove using many cities where the minimum wage has been elevated to a living wage.

Of course, the idea of taking some libertarian fantasy out of the realm of pure theory into the world of reality that the rest of us inhabit may be something lost upon you.

You failed.

1.) Sante fe, New Mexico doesn't have a true living wage. They have a higher minimum wage that they say you can live on that they haven't raised since 2009. Second, it only affects businesses that get assistance or government work. Its sounds to me they are protecting the economy from such a bad idea.

2.) Albugeurque, New Mexico it appears to affect everyone. If you are alone its $8.14 and if you have children its 20.37 or 26.47 for two. Interestingly they don't enforce the law as everyone is below the rates. So the point of the law is lost on me a bit.

3.) San Francisco, California's law appears to be much like the Albugeurques in almost everyway. They also fail to really enforce the laws as several fields fail to reach what the law says. The rates are 8.14 alone, 20.37 with one child, and 26.47 with two children. They also haven't raised it since 2009.

I don't know where you get the idea this is successful but I can't find a place on the list that really even does it. You really think paying someone 26.47 up from 7.00 doesn't change anything? Want to back up that idiotic claim?
 
3.) San Francisco, California's law appears to be much like the Albugeurques in almost everyway. They also fail to really enforce the laws as several fields fail to reach what the law says. The rates are 8.14 alone, 20.37 with one child, and 26.47 with two children. They also haven't raised it since 2009.

Sorry I meant 12.65 for yourself, 21.82 with one child, and 32.70 with two children. What is above is Albuquerques numbers.
 
If you are saying that the bailouts should not have happened, I agree.



They aren't? I thought HP and Apple sold internationally. I thought Caterpillar sold internationally. When did they stop?



LOL! We had regulations and we still had a financial meltdown. Regulations did not stop it andthe current ones will only cause businesses to be less profitable causing less employment. Once again, we should not have had bailouts.



They will give Americans jobs when the economy returns. The economy will not sufficiently return for the next 18 or 19 months, but it will return.



Bad decisions with regards to Federal spending was a mistake. I take it you agree.



I got everything I deserved. Nothing. That's how it should have been for the companies and the American people.



End taxing companies and the economy will boom and Americans will have jobs galore.



BMW, Mercedes, Honda, and other foreign companies thought outsourcing works when they opened plants in the U.S.



We better hope that real cuts will be forthcoming.



Not sure what Anheuser Busch and Sears have to do with the rest, but I am for no bailouts to any entity and none should get subsidies. You are weeping to the wrong person.



Jeeze. Is your nickname Doom or is it Gloom? The best thing we could do is cut the government spending, do away with taxes on companies, minimize reglations, and unleash American industry keeping more in the U.S. Also, fine companies who hire illegals as when we stop allowing illegals to take American jobs, more jobs will be available for Americans and as more and more Americans are employed the law of supply and demand will increase wages for everyone as employees will be able to pick and choose what job they want. There is more that could be done on this issue, but this will do for now for a start.

No I'm calling bailouts what they are theft


I'm saying that foriegn companies are outselling American companies at home and abroad.
HP and Apple may be sold international but stack that up against exports and inports anytime.

Business are less profitable because a lot less people are buying because a lot more people are without jobs.

The economy will return when more Americans buy more American products . that can only happen when Americans have jobs.
The ones already on the bottom have nothing to lose, what about the ones on the top?

Bad decisions were made when jobs were outsourced because when people lose jobs American corporations lose consumers.

However, that's not how it went down the corporations kept their company thanks to the American taxpayer, the working people was shown how to exit a working job.

Ah, Hell not the old Reagan routine help the rich give more to the rich and progress will trickle down.
Still waiting no trickling, noteven a drip.

And hows foriegn companies doing in the U.S. compared to Ford, GMC, Chrysler.
What's the differance anyway both are built by the same labor force, only thing differant is the name.

I'm all for budget cuts, as you say real budget cuts.
My question is what money do you get from budget cuts on the bottom compared to budget cuts from the top, that's where the money is nobody's cutting budgets from the top.

Budweiser was sold out to foriegn investors, check it yourself.
Check the profit line on Sears the company not the product THIN ICE.

No my nick name is not Doom or Gloom. My nickname is REALITY CHECK.
CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING? FINE LETS START WITH THE LOBBYIST AND WORK UP

DO AWAY WITH TAXES BUT JUST ON COMPANIES HUH?
WHY NOT DO AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES AS WELL MAYBE DO AWAY WITH INTEREST ON CREDIT CARDS.

MINIMIZE REGULATIONS AND UNLEASH AMERICAN INDUSTRY?
WHERE IS AMERICAN INDUSTRY TO BE UNLEASHED TIA WAN, CHINA, MEXICO PHILLIPINES OR SOME OTHER THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.

FINE COMPANIES THAT HIRE ILLEGALS STOP ALLOWING ILLEAGLES TO TAKE AMERICAN JOBS.
WHY NOT DOUBLE THE TAXES ON EVERY AMERICAN CORPORATION EVERY YEAR AND DOUBLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR ECT,THAT OUTSOURCES AMERICAN JOBS AND DOUBLE TAXES AND DOUBLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR ECT. ON ANYBODY HIREING ILLEGALS,
That should get the American debt down.
Either more jobs are available for working Americans or more money available for the American government that's a win win situation.
Of course you are right more could be done but this will do for a start.:peace
 
You failed.

1.) Sante fe, New Mexico doesn't have a true living wage. They have a higher minimum wage that they say you can live on that they haven't raised since 2009. Second, it only affects businesses that get assistance or government work. Its sounds to me they are protecting the economy from such a bad idea.

2.) Albugeurque, New Mexico it appears to affect everyone. If you are alone its $8.14 and if you have children its 20.37 or 26.47 for two. Interestingly they don't enforce the law as everyone is below the rates. So the point of the law is lost on me a bit.

3.) San Francisco, California's law appears to be much like the Albugeurques in almost everyway. They also fail to really enforce the laws as several fields fail to reach what the law says. The rates are 8.14 alone, 20.37 with one child, and 26.47 with two children. They also haven't raised it since 2009.

I don't know where you get the idea this is successful but I can't find a place on the list that really even does it. You really think paying someone 26.47 up from 7.00 doesn't change anything? Want to back up that idiotic claim?

Explain one thing for all of Henrin - how does your perception that the law may or may be be enforced all the time in three of these cities add up to my "failed"?

Look at the numbers:

In 2007, there were at least 140 living wage ordinances in cities throughout the United States and more than 100 living wage campaigns underway in cities, counties, states, and college campuses.[8]

And you gave us three cities without any real information other than your own take on things.

Expand on your own mental processes so we all can understand just how you reached that judgment.
 
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No I'm calling bailouts what they are theft

I have said that I am against the bailouts. What is your point of continuing to discuss bailouts?

I'm saying that foriegn companies are outselling American companies at home and abroad. HP and Apple may be sold international but stack that up against exports and inports anytime.

At the risk of being repetitious, minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and exports will increase as more companies will be in U.S. and some of those companies who import into the U.S. will manufacture in the U.S. lowering our imports.

Business are less profitable because a lot less people are buying because a lot more people are without jobs.

You are being repetitious.

The economy will return when more Americans buy more American products . that can only happen when Americans have jobs.

I'm going to offer more repetition. Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and jobs will come flooding to the U.S.

The ones already on the bottom have nothing to lose, what about the ones on the top?

Guess what? Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and those at the top, middle, and bottom will all win.

Bad decisions were made when jobs were outsourced because when people lose jobs American corporations lose consumers.

More repetition.

However, that's not how it went down the corporations kept their company thanks to the American taxpayer, the working people was shown how to exit a working job.

Oh! Oh! Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and the American taxpayers will be paying more taxes due to higher rates of employment and higher incomes.

Ah, Hell not the old Reagan routine help the rich give more to the rich and progress will trickle down.

Well, we tried upping government spending on "shovel-ready" work projects. How did that work?

Still waiting no trickling, noteven a drip.

Employment increased after Reagan and Bush tax cuts.

And hows foriegn companies doing in the U.S. compared to Ford, GMC, Chrysler.

Depends on what companies you are talking about. Some of the foreign ones are going broke. Ford has stayed profitable even without a bailout.

What's the differance anyway both are built by the same labor force, only thing differant is the name.

No. Ford makes a good product and Chrysler makes a garbage product.

I'm all for budget cuts, as you say real budget cuts.

Super! We have an agreement.

My question is what money do you get from budget cuts on the bottom compared to budget cuts from the top, that's where the money is nobody's cutting budgets from the top.

If we reform or end entitlements, it will impact all brackets. If we cut the military, it will impact all brackets as jobs will be lost. This is true of most cuts.

Budweiser was sold out to foriegn investors, check it yourself.

Sorry, but sometimes your half sentences are not deciferable. Yes, Budweiser is now owned by foreign investors. If you don't like that one, how about our President having Chrysler join up with Fiat? You must love that one. Have U.S. investors bought up any foreign companies?

Check the profit line on Sears the company not the product THIN ICE.

Many companies are profitable today. If Sears is not, I might question their management.

No my nick name is not Doom or Gloom. My nickname is REALITY CHECK.

Your reality, I presume.

CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING? FINE LETS START WITH THE LOBBYIST AND WORK UP

Are you planning to end the entire First Amendment or just the Free Speech part?

DO AWAY WITH TAXES BUT JUST ON COMPANIES HUH?

Yes, as that would bring foreign companies into the U.S.

WHY NOT DO AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES AS WELL MAYBE DO AWAY WITH INTEREST ON CREDIT CARDS.

Property taxes are not Federal taxes. They are state taxes. If you want to do away with them, I would suggest you talk to your state govenment officials. As for ending interest on credit cards, I like the idea. It would end the credit card business, but that would not bother me.

MINIMIZE REGULATIONS AND UNLEASH AMERICAN INDUSTRY?
WHERE IS AMERICAN INDUSTRY TO BE UNLEASHED TIA WAN, CHINA, MEXICO PHILLIPINES OR SOME OTHER THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.

Let's see. First we need to unleash American businesses and to bring back our manufacturing base. Second, we need to get foreign companies to build in the U.S. That unleashing would create jobs, jobs, jobs!

FINE COMPANIES THAT HIRE ILLEGALS STOP ALLOWING ILLEAGLES TO TAKE AMERICAN JOBS.

Yep!

WHY NOT DOUBLE THE TAXES ON EVERY AMERICAN CORPORATION EVERY YEAR AND DOUBLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR ECT,THAT OUTSOURCES AMERICAN JOBS AND DOUBLE TAXES AND DOUBLE THE FOLLOWING YEAR ECT. ON ANYBODY HIREING ILLEGALS,
That should get the American debt down. Either more jobs are available for working Americans or more money available for the American government that's a win win situation.

The goal should not be to pay down the debt with these fines. The goal is to stop illegal aliens from taking jobs that should go to Americans. As for the doubling of taxes on outsourcing, I am against that as I want American firms to compete on the international market. Instead of punishing companies for moving, I would prefer to provide benefits for staying here.
 
Explain one thing for all of Henrin - how does your perception that the law may or may be be enforced all the time in three of these cities add up to my "failed"?

You offered examples did you not? Those are the examples and they are failure.

Look at the numbers:

Offer the list so I can debunk the success of each one.

And you gave us three cities without any real information other than your own take on things.

My own take on them? What I offered is how they are working in those areas. Most of them are not being enforced so making a conclusion on their success is an exercise that has no reason to happen. While the other is only talking about government jobs or businesses that asked for help. None of the examples are really what you claimed them to be.

Expand on your own mental processes so we all can understand just how you reached that judgment.

I looked up the facts behind the examples.
 
I told you how it is being done in those examples you offered. It is NOT my biased opinion.



True, I didn't.





So you won't give me a list?

I gave you the selection from the Wikipedia article that I had access to. If you want more, you need to dig and get more.
 
I have said that I am against the bailouts. What is your point of continuing to discuss bailouts?



At the risk of being repetitious, minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and exports will increase as more companies will be in U.S. and some of those companies who import into the U.S. will manufacture in the U.S. lowering our imports.



You are being repetitious.



I'm going to offer more repetition. Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and jobs will come flooding to the U.S.



Guess what? Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and those at the top, middle, and bottom will all win.



More repetition.



Oh! Oh! Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and the American taxpayers will be paying more taxes due to higher rates of employment and higher incomes.



Well, we tried upping government spending on "shovel-ready" work projects. How did that work?



Employment increased after Reagan and Bush tax cuts.



Depends on what companies you are talking about. Some of the foreign ones are going broke. Ford has stayed profitable even without a bailout.



No. Ford makes a good product and Chrysler makes a garbage product.



Super! We have an agreement.



If we reform or end entitlements, it will impact all brackets. If we cut the military, it will impact all brackets as jobs will be lost. This is true of most cuts.



Sorry, but sometimes your half sentences are not deciferable. Yes, Budweiser is now owned by foreign investors. If you don't like that one, how about our President having Chrysler join up with Fiat? You must love that one. Have U.S. investors bought up any foreign companies?



Many companies are profitable today. If Sears is not, I might question their management.



Your reality, I presume.



Are you planning to end the entire First Amendment or just the Free Speech part?



Yes, as that would bring foreign companies into the U.S.



Property taxes are not Federal taxes. They are state taxes. If you want to do away with them, I would suggest you talk to your state govenment officials. As for ending interest on credit cards, I like the idea. It would end the credit card business, but that would not bother me.



Let's see. First we need to unleash American businesses and to bring back our manufacturing base. Second, we need to get foreign companies to build in the U.S. That unleashing would create jobs, jobs, jobs!



Yep!



The goal should not be to pay down the debt with these fines. The goal is to stop illegal aliens from taking jobs that should go to Americans. As for the doubling of taxes on outsourcing, I am against that as I want American firms to compete on the international market. Instead of punishing companies for moving, I would prefer to provide benefits for staying here.

More conservative BS, If we want to see jobs come back to the USA we need to increase regulations against imports, raise import taxes to a point of where the American worker can compete against the stacked deck that now exists

Back to the thread topic the rich use their tax cuts to steal from the middle class, the poor and needy by investing in thw wall street schemes like speculating


H.R. 2003 will deter speculation by raising the cost to bet on oil markets. By charging a miniscule 0.01 percent tax on each transaction, excessive speculation would become too expensive and risky. Discouraging excessive oil speculation will lower gas prices up to 80 cents a gallon because it does not tax oil, just Wall Street speculators.

DEFAZIO FIGHTS FOR LOWER GAS PRICES BY REINING IN SPECULATION

Speculating on life essential needs should not just be regulated it should be made illegal, speculating is one way that the greedy rich steal from those who do not have the resources to get involved in the Wall Street ponzi schemes
 
More conservative BS, If we want to see jobs come back to the USA we need to increase regulations against imports, raise import taxes to a point of where the American worker can compete against the stacked deck that now exists

So you want to increase the prices to American consumers and drive more companies to flee the U.S. Oh, okay.

Back to the thread topic the rich use their tax cuts to steal from the middle class, the poor and needy by investing in thw wall street schemes like speculating

$3 trillion over 10 years of the Bush Tax cuts went to non-wealthy. $700 billion went to those earning over $250k per year. I say, let's rescind all of those taxes and then cut spending 10 to 1 for ever dollar of tax increases. Let's see $3.7 trillion times 10 = $37.0 trillion dollars over the next ten years, pluse the $3.7 in increased taxes = $40.7 trillion. Cool! Let's do it!

Speculating on life essential needs should not just be regulated it should be made illegal, speculating is one way that the greedy rich steal from those who do not have the resources to get involved in the Wall Street ponzi schemes

What do you consider speculating? Is investing in a 401k speculating? Is buying stock in Apple Computer speculating? Is buying a Treasury Bill speculating? Is locking in a price when you know the market is going to go up, speculating? Please let us know. Thanks.
 
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So you want to increase the prices to American consumers and drive more companies to flee the U.S. Oh, okay.



$3 trillion over 10 years of the Bush Tax cuts went to non-wealthy. $700 billion went to those earning over $250k per year. I say, let's rescind all of those taxes and then cut spending 10 to 1 for ever dollar of tax increases. Let's see $3.7 trillion times 10 = $37.0 trillion dollars over the next ten years, pluse the $3.7 in increased taxes = $40.7 trillion. Cool! Let's do it!



What do you consider speculating? Is investing in a 401k speculating? Is buying stock in Apple Computer speculating? Is buying a Treasury Bill speculating? Is locking in a price when you know the market is going to go up, speculating? Please let us know. Thanks.

economic reality doesn't matter much to the utopianistas . raise tariffs and people won't buy well made but cheaper goods. Of course other countries won't buy our stuff in retaliation
 
I have said that I am against the bailouts. What is your point of continuing to discuss bailouts?



At the risk of being repetitious, minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and exports will increase as more companies will be in U.S. and some of those companies who import into the U.S. will manufacture in the U.S. lowering our imports.



You are being repetitious.



I'm going to offer more repetition. Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and jobs will come flooding to the U.S.



Guess what? Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and those at the top, middle, and bottom will all win.



More repetition.



Oh! Oh! Minimize regulations and end taxes on corporations and the American taxpayers will be paying more taxes due to higher rates of employment and higher incomes.



Well, we tried upping government spending on "shovel-ready" work projects. How did that work?



Employment increased after Reagan and Bush tax cuts.



Depends on what companies you are talking about. Some of the foreign ones are going broke. Ford has stayed profitable even without a bailout.



No. Ford makes a good product and Chrysler makes a garbage product.



Super! We have an agreement.



If we reform or end entitlements, it will impact all brackets. If we cut the military, it will impact all brackets as jobs will be lost. This is true of most cuts.



Sorry, but sometimes your half sentences are not deciferable. Yes, Budweiser is now owned by foreign investors. If you don't like that one, how about our President having Chrysler join up with Fiat? You must love that one. Have U.S. investors bought up any foreign companies?



Many companies are profitable today. If Sears is not, I might question their management.



Your reality, I presume.



Are you planning to end the entire First Amendment or just the Free Speech part?



Yes, as that would bring foreign companies into the U.S.



Property taxes are not Federal taxes. They are state taxes. If you want to do away with them, I would suggest you talk to your state govenment officials. As for ending interest on credit cards, I like the idea. It would end the credit card business, but that would not bother me.



Let's see. First we need to unleash American businesses and to bring back our manufacturing base. Second, we need to get foreign companies to build in the U.S. That unleashing would create jobs, jobs, jobs!



Yep!



The goal should not be to pay down the debt with these fines. The goal is to stop illegal aliens from taking jobs that should go to Americans. As for the doubling of taxes on outsourcing, I am against that as I want American firms to compete on the international market. Instead of punishing companies for moving, I would prefer to provide benefits for staying here.

McCain said he was against the government interfering with corporations , you say you are against bailouts.
We both know who supports bailouts , the same ones that support tax cuts , we both know who started that.

At the sound of being repitious the old minimize regulations and taxes was stated in 2000.
Where is America today after following that logic?

No, not repitition FACT, fom 2000 till 2008 numbers don't lie.1999 + 2008 BIG MINUS

Unlike the rich the working class are willing to pay higher taxes if they have a fair income based on a job.
The American people are not stupid you think the only state tax going up out here is on cigarttes what about property taxs rent, food.

So let me get this straight the corporations depend on money from the American worker but they want the government to furnish the jobs, sounds like a backdoor bailout to me I thought you were aganst bailouts.

Where is employment now?
Both Reeagan and Bush talked about the same thing in the long term this will be good for America .
Question; How much longer before the good gets to American workers?

Ford is being outsold by Hyundia, no American Auto company has caught up with the Japanese sales in America since the 70's introduction of Honda, Toyato. check the sales numbers not the hype.

I said real budget cuts.

Jobs are already being lost everyday more jobs are being lost so whatever we're doing ain't working, except maybe for the rich.
American corporations target American consumers no jobs no American consumers.

When U.S investors start investing in foriegn products you'll know just check Wall Street.

These many companies should be profitable using slave labor.
I might question the management of any American coropration that outsources ove 30 % of their product to be built in anyplace but America.

Reality is reality.

Please, not the old constitution dodge, ever check a little thing called the Patriot act?
If that's not enough, how about this ,
If the government can tell me I have to be 50 ft. from the door of Walmart to smoke a cigarette or if te government can tell any volunteer that ask for charity for the salvation army at holidays can tell them they can't set up in the store.
Then I would thinK that the federal government could put up a NO SOLICITORS ALLOWED SIGN

American corporations have foriegn workers so foriegn companies would have American workers and we would wish the American corporations luck on selling their products to a new foriegn based consumer., after all a job is a JOB.
American workers don't care who they work for as long as they get paid.

Property taxes are not federal taxes they are state taxes?
I thought we won the Civil war, after all that was for each state to be free, I mean this is the United States isn't it ?
Keyword UNITED might want to look that up.

That sounds vagualy familar from the old read my lips no new taxes , to if the rich corporations had more it would trickle down to the not rich, or was it America has a strong Economy, maybe it's the new trend I'M GOING TO GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND OUT OF YOUR LIVES.
Sorry same song differant lyrics and the same bull****.

American firms competeing where?
Name an industry I'll tell you where it's made and not in America if Chinese products are made in China and American products are made in China who's cometeingwith who if China sells their product they get profit if they don't they still get money from the labor working for American corporations
American corporations will get benifits when they provide jobs not before.
Don't count on politicians to protect them with benefits in 2012 not if they like their jobs.
The goal should be simple...JOBS.:peace
 
So you want to increase the prices to American consumers and drive more companies to flee the U.S. Oh, okay.



$3 trillion over 10 years of the Bush Tax cuts went to non-wealthy. $700 billion went to those earning over $250k per year. I say, let's rescind all of those taxes and then cut spending 10 to 1 for ever dollar of tax increases. Let's see $3.7 trillion times 10 = $37.0 trillion dollars over the next ten years, pluse the $3.7 in increased taxes = $40.7 trillion. Cool! Let's do it!



What do you consider speculating? Is investing in a 401k speculating? Is buying stock in Apple Computer speculating? Is buying a Treasury Bill speculating? Is locking in a price when you know the market is going to go up, speculating? Please let us know. Thanks.

You are responding to post I did not write , check post#487.
 
You are responding to post I did not write , check post#487.

Sorry. I am not sure how I did that, as I got it correct as Earl's and then ended up pasting your name and thread in it. Weird. Again, sorry for the error.
 
What about the House of Representatives? We may not have a true democracy in the literal sense of the word, but what the point I’m making is that the Billionaire is going to have a much louder voice in crafting policy than the One-thousandaire, even if they live in the same city, same state.





Les, these are exactly what campaign contributions are. Do you think Goldman Sachs gave Obama a million bucks in 2008 because they were move to tears by his “Yes We Can” speech? I don’t think so. When corporations give money it’s for a reason, and I also think the decisions of the largest corporations are generally controlled by those who are wealthiest in our country. Congresspeople want to get reelected and it’s only natural to keep your largest donors in mind when voting. This is not to say that they don’t have a free will and opinions of their own, just saying that money talks in many situations.





Now you are over-generalizing.

Do I think that every vote a congressperson makes is directly related to a bribe? Answer is no. Do I think that congresspeople at times (especially with a key vote that will affect the way business will be done in America) can be persuaded with outside money (legally) in one way shape or form – of course.

Not saying it’s evil, or it’s a big conspiracy, just saying that it’s human nature to look out for oneself and when the game is setup so that a congressperson can be manipulated through CASH one way shape or form, you’re gonna have problems
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Sounds like something a socialist would promote.
 
The boys in D.C. ,Wall Street or the CEOS of corporatins may not know this but bottom line there are a lot of pissed off people out here.
I'm not the only one that has went from buying American products to foreign products.:peace

I look forward to the revolution at the voting booth next November, when the working class get rid of those working against their interests. :sun
 
McCain said he was against the government interfering with corporations , you say you are against bailouts.
We both know who supports bailouts , the same ones that support tax cuts , we both know who started that.

McCain was not elected, Obama was. Neither Bush nor Obama has handled the financial mess correctly.

At the sound of being repitious the old minimize regulations and taxes was stated in 2000.
Where is America today after following that logic?

The program I have offered here was not tried by Bush and certainly not by Obama.

No, not repitition FACT, fom 2000 till 2008 numbers don't lie.1999 + 2008 BIG MINUS

I'm not sure what this refers to, but if it had to do with employment, jobs went up after Bush the tax cuts.

Unlike the rich the working class are willing to pay higher taxes if they have a fair income based on a job.
The American people are not stupid you think the only state tax going up out here is on cigarttes what about property taxs rent, food.

I certainly have not said that the American people are stupid. Beyond that, I don't understand your comment.

So let me get this straight the corporations depend on money from the American worker but they want the government to furnish the jobs, sounds like a backdoor bailout to me I thought you were aganst bailouts.

If there were legitimate needs for the government to hire people, it would not be a bailout. I have no idea how you have read into anything I have said that would lead you to believe that I favor handouts in providing government jobs.

Where is employment now?

Not doing well since the financial mess hit.

Both Reeagan and Bush talked about the same thing in the long term this will be good for America .
Question; How much longer before the good gets to American workers?

It won't as long as progressives/liberals stand in the way. Reagan, Bush, and Bush did not attempt what I am talking about.

Ford is being outsold by Hyundia, no American Auto company has caught up with the Japanese sales in America since the 70's introduction of Honda, Toyato. check the sales numbers not the hype.

Apparently, Americans prefer Japanese and South Korean cars. Don't look at me with that regards. I buy American.

I said real budget cuts.

I said it first.

Jobs are already being lost everyday more jobs are being lost so whatever we're doing ain't working, except maybe for the rich.

I agree. We need a President who knows how to create jobs.

American corporations target American consumers no jobs no American consumers.

I've already commented on this.

When U.S investors start investing in foriegn products you'll know just check Wall Street.

Okay.

These many companies should be profitable using slave labor.

And avoiding excessive taxes and regulations.

I might question the management of any American coropration that outsources ove 30 % of their product to be built in anyplace but America.

Be my guest. Question them. You might learn why they do it.

Reality is reality.

True.

Please, not the old constitution dodge, ever check a little thing called the Patriot act?

I don't recall saying anything about the Constitution in this discussion, but now that you bring it up, many things the Federal Government does is unconstitutional and possibly so is the Patriot Act. Donh't you want to follow the Constitution?

If that's not enough, how about this ,
If the government can tell me I have to be 50 ft. from the door of Walmart to smoke a cigarette or if te government can tell any volunteer that ask for charity for the salvation army at holidays can tell them they can't set up in the store.
Then I would thinK that the federal government could put up a NO SOLICITORS ALLOWED SIGN

Sorry, you lost me on this one. A city, county, or state government has the authority to enact legislation to ban smoking in certain areas. That falls under the Tenth Amendment. As for the No Solicitors sign, I have no problem with the Federal Government doing that. Of course, the going out of business sale should be going on at the same time. :lol:

American corporations have foriegn workers so foriegn companies would have American workers and we would wish the American corporations luck on selling their products to a new foriegn based consumer., after all a job is a JOB.
American workers don't care who they work for as long as they get paid.

Well, many Americans do work for Mercedes, Honda, & BMW.

Property taxes are not federal taxes they are state taxes?

I take it you do not own a home. Yes, the property taxes are paid to the state.

I thought we won the Civil war, after all that was for each state to be free, I mean this is the United States isn't it ?
Keyword UNITED might want to look that up.

Sorry, but you lost me again with this one.

That sounds vagualy familar from the old read my lips no new taxes , to if the rich corporations had more it would trickle down to the not rich, or was it America has a strong Economy, maybe it's the new trend I'M GOING TO GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR POCKET AND OUT OF YOUR LIVES.
Sorry same song differant lyrics and the same bull****.

Can you tell me which President ended taxes for companies and slashed regulations? Answer: None.

American firms competeing where?

Worldwide.

Name an industry I'll tell you where it's made and not in America if Chinese products are made in China and American products are made in China who's cometeingwith who if China sells their product they get profit if they don't they still get money from the labor working for American corporations
American corporations will get benifits when they provide jobs not before.

Technology, for one. The rest I have previously answered.

Don't count on politicians to protect them with benefits in 2012 not if they like their jobs.
The goal should be simple...JOBS.:peace

I'm with you on creating jobs. It appears that we are miles apart on how to create jobs.
 
I look forward to the revolution at the voting booth next November, when the working class get rid of those working against their interests. :sun

What makes you think though, that the working class will effectively be able to identify those candidates?

Also, how much of a choice do they really have with only two parties in control of our entire political system?

Only two parties; blows my mind that we have 350mm US citizens and apparently only two political ideologies to chose from (both at polar ends) come election day. What gives?
 
What makes you think though, that the working class will effectively be able to identify those candidates?

Also, how much of a choice do they really have with only two parties in control of our entire political system?

Only two parties; blows my mind that we have 350mm US citizens and apparently only two political ideologies to chose from (both at polar ends) come election day. What gives?

There are many political parties, but just two of them seem to be popular with the people. And there are sharp divisions between the two. One side believes in science and one side doesn't. One believes supporting the tax cuts for the wealthy and spending that benefits them, and the other supports programs for the working class and the poor, and wants to eliminate the tax cuts for the wealthy.

It is my hope that eventually there are third parties that are not too extreme to gain support with American people, or that eventually people become enlightened enough to support a green party. From what I've seen on the forums though, I'm not holding my breath.
 
Sounds like something a socialist would promote.

Actually socialists would promote the working place coming under that hands of the workers. The means of production and the work place would be ran democratically by the workers themselves. You know like a worker co-ops...
 
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