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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

TurtleDude said:
sorry dude, If I can afford good healthcare, I don't want to wait behind someone whose health care I fund. Same with my kid, if the choice comes down to my son getting a CAT SCAN today that might save his life or you getting one paid for by my tax dollars I don't even have to think a second what I am going to take
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Selfish comes to mind right away....At some point in time during your upbringing, you were allowed to be selfish...like an animal(particularly those of the lower orders)..not like a human being. I feel that we were meant to be social / sharing / caring ...perhaps I am wrong....
 
earthworm said:
Selfish comes to mind right away....At some point in time during your upbringing, you were allowed to be selfish...like an animal(particularly those of the lower orders)..not like a human being. I feel that we were meant to be social / sharing / caring ...perhaps I am wrong....
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selfish is demanding others pay for your existence

selfish is imposing costs on others by your demands

sharing is one thing

coercion is another.

its like consensual sex versus rape
 
Why are people afraid of these "death commitee's" if we were ever to have free government healthcare someday? What the hell do you think insurance companies are? Insurance companies have entire departments dedicated to ONLY finding ways to decline healthcare/surgery claims. Insurance companies are death boards. There is no guarantee that your insurance company will cover anything, its all at their discretion. How do I know this? I worked for one.

I do agree people that are willing to pay for healthcare should be entitled to "their standard view of quality" healthcare at their own private clinics and hospitals. When people pay an outrageous price for a service, they feel they are getting something of quality, that others cant have, which is a sad example of corporate influence.

To claim Free healthcare would mean a decline in quality of care is just rediculous. Many nations around the world have free healthcare and they all seem to be doing just fine. Prescription drug costs are also becoming insanely high, I cant imagine the great feeling I would have being able to pick up a $300.00 prescription free of charge.

Healthcare is a human right, not a want. No one should have to die of cancer or a life threatening illness because they dont have the funds to assit doctors/surgeons in purchasing their 10th car. Its rediculous and a sin.

I dont understand why the middle class defends insurance companies, corporations, and drug companies. They create this false sense of "terror" that if you take away their right to control every aspect of your life, you wil be certain to see pending doom in the form of government care! This is all a scare tactic. People may be surprised to find that government healthcare would probably exceed that of private standards. When you take profit out of the mix, that means every patient would be treated the same, regardless of the money in your wallet. That to me is real healthcare.

Free prescriptions, a personal nurse if needed, standard GUARANTEED coverage of all major surgeries, diseases, and mental disabilities are all benefits not many insurance companies would give their clients the light of day without insane annuals, copays, and deductibles. Even after all theses additional charges, there is still no guarantee your insurance company will cover it. These are not companies looking out for your best interest, these are companies looking out for generating the maximum profits possible while at the same time getting rid of risky, expensive patients.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I hope all objective people see what motivates most of the tax the rich crowd on this board
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You can be assured that most people reading this thread realize precisely what the truth is...most everyone defending the working class isnt doing it for themselves...others post however, drip with its all about me for me... and greediness along with contempt for others, disgusting really
 
TurtleDude said:
selfish is demanding others pay for your existence

selfish is imposing costs on others by your demands

sharing is one thing

coercion is another.

its like consensual sex versus rape
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The next time we have a war no more hiding out behind college deferments, every able bodied person regardless of who their daddy is needs to serve and no cushy type assignments.

Cowardness is hiding behind your wealth or social position when it's time to defend your freedoms
 
TurtleDude said:
selfish is demanding others pay for your existence

selfish is imposing costs on others by your demands

sharing is one thing

coercion is another.

its like consensual sex versus rape
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It's nothing like consensual sex versus rape.

Your posts imply that you see wealth accumulation like in the Old West, where enterprising capitalists had to make their fortune from an uncompromising frontier. In contemporary times, it is more like the supermarket. The amount of risk and effort isn't comparable.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's a moronic claim-the tax cuts everyone else got resulted in more money than the tax cuts for those who pay most of the taxes. you didn't fund anything.
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Repeal the tax cuts across the board, what does a cut in taxes do for the poor? Without revenues this charade of cutting programs that benefit the poor and elderly will just increase the hardships that they deal with.
 
EarlzP said:
The next time we have a war no more hiding out behind college deferments, every able bodied person regardless of who their daddy is needs to serve and no cushy type assignments.

Cowardness is hiding behind your wealth or social position when it's time to defend your freedoms
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Oh the rich will come up with a new thing to get out doing anything for thier country but take ...maybe deferments for acute whining and too much of a load dropped into their shorts...but no matter what the last resort...this time instead of running to canada...they can run to china
 
lpast said:
I sincerly hope all working class individuals that read this thread read certain individuals posts...and realize how greed has permeated into the richs society like a disease that will devour the entire country unless WE the working class STOP this teaparty pigs at the trough thing thats going on right now
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The greed is so thick you could cut it with a knife! They seem perfectly willing to let the economy fail just so then can continue to protect the their tax cuts.
 
Catawba said:
The greed is so thick you could cut it with a knife! They seem perfectly willing to let the economy fail just so then can continue to protect the their tax cuts.
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The ignorance and misinformation is so thick I need hip waders! If only some of you could intelligently and honestly discuss what the tea party members are about... I know that's asking a lot and is doomed to failure, but... hope springs eternal.
 
Ockham said:
The ignorance and misinformation is so thick I need hip waders! If only some of you could intelligently and honestly discuss what the tea party members are about... I know that's asking a lot and is doomed to failure, but... hope springs eternal.
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The thread is - What purpose did the tax cuts for the wealthiest serve? We were discussing the greed of the wealthy. If you would like to start a thread on the tea party agenda, knock yourself out!
 
Catawba said:
The thread is - What purpose did the tax cuts for the wealthiest serve? We were discussing the greed of the wealthy. If you would like to start a thread on the tea party agenda, knock yourself out!
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Yes I know what you were discussing... more of your Class Warfare line of complaints as Ipast identified the "teaparty pigs", to which you lent your complaint about them allowing the economy to fail. Denying your discussion to exclude me pointing out your BS now Catawba? Just don't have a good argument or do you just not want to admit you were off topic as well? :lamo
 
Ockham said:
Yes I know what you were discussing... more of your Class Warfare line of complaints as Ipast identified the "teaparty pigs", to which you lent your complaint about them allowing the economy to fail. Denying your discussion to exclude me pointing out your BS now Catawba? Just don't have a good argument or do you just not want to admit you were off topic as well? :lamo
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If you go back an look at the post I was responding to was talking about the wealthy. The "they" I was referring to were the wealthy, in a thread about the wealthy.

Go figure huh?
 
Catawba said:
If you go back an look at the post I was responding to was talking about the wealthy. The "they" I was referring to were the wealthy, in a thread about the wealthy.

Go figure huh?
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Yeah, you whine about the wealthy? Pashaww... never happens.
 
Ockham said:
Yeah, you whine about the wealthy? Pashaww... never happens.
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Proverbs 29:2 "When the righteous increase, the people rejoice,
but when the wicked rule, the people groan."
 
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apdst said:
Probably the same thing that that same tax cut for every other tax bracket served...a little stability and encouragement in the private sector.
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The tax cut did nothing for the poor, did nothing to create employment in the USA, it contributed to the deficit and now the middle class, the poor and elderly are being told that they have to give up programs that helped them survive and those that benefited the most don't want to give up the tax break.
 
lpast said:
You can be assured that most people reading this thread realize precisely what the truth is...most everyone defending the working class isnt doing it for themselves...others post however, drip with its all about me for me... and greediness along with contempt for others, disgusting really
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Your posts seem to suggest that your politics change depending on who beats up your idiotic posts the most effectively.
 
Morality Games said:
It's nothing like consensual sex versus rape.

Your posts imply that you see wealth accumulation like in the Old West, where enterprising capitalists had to make their fortune from an uncompromising frontier. In contemporary times, it is more like the supermarket. The amount of risk and effort isn't comparable.
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NOt relevant. the point is-existing within a certain distance of a wealthy person does not entitle you to any of that man's wealth
 
EarlzP said:
The next time we have a war no more hiding out behind college deferments, every able bodied person regardless of who their daddy is needs to serve and no cushy type assignments.

Cowardness is hiding behind your wealth or social position when it's time to defend your freedoms
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the poorest people aren't the ones making up most of the military so your rant is silly. and its stupid to send off some guy at harvard medical school to be in the infantry. once a draft is enacted, individual rights no longer matter since they are subservient to the "common good" and the common good should be concerned with efficient allocation of talent meaning very smart people should be assigned to tasks that require brilliance while cannon fodder can be staffed with dullards
 
Ockham said:
The ignorance and misinformation is so thick I need hip waders! If only some of you could intelligently and honestly discuss what the tea party members are about... I know that's asking a lot and is doomed to failure, but... hope springs eternal.
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this thread is all about another outlet for those who are upset that they are not successful to whine about those who are
 
TurtleDude said:
this thread is all about another outlet for those who are upset that they are not successful to whine about those who are
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Can you go a single thread without accusing those who disagree with you of being envious? Seriously, it's a childish argument.
 
Catawba said:
Proverbs 29:2 "When the righteous increase, the people rejoice,
but when the wicked rule, the people groan."
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Uhh... dude. If you want to discuss religion, start your own thread. Like, we're like... uhh... whining about the wealthy scabby bastards in this thread. MMkkay? Stop trying to derail the thread.
 
U.S. Socialist. said:
Warren Buffet has called for higher taxes on the rich. Is he whiny and jealous?
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No he's a rich old **** who's going to die soon, and is trying to get into Gods good graces.
 
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