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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

Ah, the equal results argument over the equal opportunity argument. Got it.

there are no equal results and there is no equal opportunity - so lets trash and flush those at the same time.
 
there are no equal results and there is no equal opportunity - so lets trash and flush those at the same time.

sound thinking at along with it the idiotic notion that the tax system should be used to remedy either
 
there are no equal results and there is no equal opportunity - so lets trash and flush those at the same time.

I'm glad you now have trashed equal results. I will try to remember that.
 
sound thinking at along with it the idiotic notion that the tax system should be used to remedy either

The problem being that both sides - all sides - want to use the tax system to their own advantage and to advance their own purposes. As one very obvious example, capital gains taxes at much lower rates than income from work pay. Supposedly, since we want investment and consider that a noble goal to encourage, we do so by providing lower tax rates for it.

Are you against that kind of manipulation with the tax system also?
 
sound thinking at along with it the idiotic notion that the tax system should be used to remedy either

I have nothing against attempting to make things more fair in society - I simply do not expect equal results in all things.
 
We the people have that power through the vote to do that, perhaps in a few more hundred years, we will eventually figure that out. :sun

That has already been tried , so we might have to find a differant way.

You do remember the election of 2000 and a little place called Florida?

Maybe this phrase will jog your memory "Stop counting the votes I know who the president is":peace
 
When people act like parasites I call them parasites. If you don't want to be called a parasite stop being one. The problem this country has is your plans has made them parasites against their will. Now they sit back expecting things from other people as if they deserve it. I feel sorry for the middle class and the poor because they have you on their back trying to make them feel weak.

Odd the middle class in Greece wasn't week nor Paris.
The poor and middle class wasn't week in Seattle.
If you trace back history you will find the middle class and poor wasn't week in the 60's either.

However if you track back in history after 1929 a lot of rich were jumping off buildings , in 2008 the rich were in trouble they ask to be bailed out with taxpayer money to save their company, their job and their bonus
Which is week here?

A majority "a huge majority of poor and middle class want jobs with a fair wage to pay taxes and make a living.
A majority of the rich want more tax cuts, more profit, more money.
Who cares more about America???
 
I'll keep this response short. Could you enumerate exactly what you would do to end companies going abroad and how you would bring down unemployment in the U.S.? Thanks.

Thank you.

First I would lower corporate tax I would have some less regulations but not to extreme.

Then I would order at least 50% of all utsourced jobs back to America across the board in all industries.
Those that did not comply would be taxed more on every product entering the U.S. made with cheap foriegn labor.
Just as those who bought foriegn products would be paying a higher tax.

Then I would have a profit line for corporations if the profits went below the line they would be backed by the federal government bailout like a golden parachute, we have that anyway might as well make it work for all people

In this case the corporations would never go below the profit line so they couldn't lose money, the American workers would be working at a reasonable wage not too high not too low, leaving enough to buy American products which would be taxed less than foriegn products.:peace
 
Anyone ever heard of equality? Taxing the rich more smacks of pure Socialism, maybe Communism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

Human rights or slave labor

If you are supporting slave labor you are supporting communism anyway.

Cheap foriegn labor is just that "CHEAP".
 
Let me start with you last error first. GE did not move its x-ray division to China. It is still in Milwaukee. They did send a small portion to China as China is a large developing market for which they wanted to compete.

Who are you referring to when you say "Huge tariffs on their products..."

Next, GE has tens of thousands of American employees. I take it you would give them a tax break. I would not tax them at all and I would lessen the regulations. You need to explain your program a bit more completely as I am not sure how your program answers my questions.

I would ask a question .

Who's GE'S biggest competitor., I would guess foriegn?
Every American corporation has a foriegn competitor and the foriegn competitors are winning.
The American workers buy from foriegn corporations cause what has American corporations done for them.
GE and many more corporations will be caught up in the same, NO JOB NO SALE deal.:peace
 
unbelievable. No wealthy person ever held my wife and me back from moving from rags to suits and gowns. Maybe you worry too much about the "rich." perhaps, if you spent more time ensuring that you were the best person you could be, you might do better. Just a thought.

worry too much about jobs ,not rich.
 
value received should play as big or bigger role than ability to pay

No not value received , money recieved ,which will be a lot less corporations recieve from American consumers without jobs.:peace
 
I would ask a question .

Who's GE'S biggest competitor., I would guess foriegn?
Every American corporation has a foriegn competitor and the foriegn competitors are winning.
The American workers buy from foriegn corporations cause what has American corporations done for them.
GE and many more corporations will be caught up in the same, NO JOB NO SALE deal.:peace

As for GE

Its biggest competitor is depending on what business unit you are looking at. GE's Medical unit would have its biggest competitors based in the US, along with GE Capital. Its industrail units would see most competition based out of Japan or Korea (with China growing). Its appliance business would see currently its highest competition from the US, for the middle market. I dont think GE has high end appliances like those from Korea or Germany.

Overall as 50% of GE's renenues are from GE capital, I would say its biggest competitor is American
 
Does anyone else notice that when talking about the TAX CUTS the left whines about "Massive tax cuts for the rich" but when they demand that the current tax rates increase to the Cliinton era levels for the rich they talk about "modest" or minor increases?

Ah, taxes well the American government needs taxes, those that have money and jobs pay taxes those that do not have a job do not, do the math.

Now you can call the poor people parasites and call the unemploed lazy.
Bottom line if one does not have money the government can not take money who does that leave?
If you think the boys in D.C. are going to take a salary cut to get more taxes WELL?
 
sound thinking at along with it the idiotic notion that the tax system should be used to remedy either

Odd, the unemployed don't worry about taxes one way or another.:peace
 
As for GE

Its biggest competitor is depending on what business unit you are looking at. GE's Medical unit would have its biggest competitors based in the US, along with GE Capital. Its industrail units would see most competition based out of Japan or Korea (with China growing). Its appliance business would see currently its highest competition from the US, for the middle market. I dont think GE has high end appliances like those from Korea or Germany.

Overall as 50% of GE's renenues are from GE capital, I would say its biggest competitor is American

Strange, at one time did you know that the American auto mussle car's only competitor was in America.
TV'S at one time the only cometitor was in the U.S.
Telephones at one time their only competitor was in America
NEED I GO ON.
In short GE is on thin ice. check the numbers.:peace
 
Thank you.

First I would lower corporate tax I would have some less regulations but not to extreme.

Current maximum rate is 35%. What would you make the maximum rate? As for regulations, would you end Sarbanes-Oxley? How about Dodd-Frank?

Then I would order at least 50% of all utsourced jobs back to America across the board in all industries.

Woof! That sounds rather dictatorial.

Those that did not comply would be taxed more on every product entering the U.S. made with cheap foriegn labor.

Oh, so GM and Ford can continue manufacturing cars around the world so long as they don't bring them into the states. Many corporations would not be impacted by that one. Perhaps GM and Ford would for those things that are manufactured in Mexico and Canada.

Just as those who bought foriegn products would be paying a higher tax.

Wow! I can see many items that American purchase have their prices go through the roof.

Then I would have a profit line for corporations if the profits went below the line they would be backed by the federal government bailout like a golden parachute, we have that anyway might as well make it work for all people.

Hmmmm. I guess I can spend this hundred million dollars on bonuses and trips for the Executives of the company since the government will bail us out anyway. Great!

In this case the corporations would never go below the profit line so they couldn't lose money, the American workers would be working at a reasonable wage not too high not too low, leaving enough to buy American products which would be taxed less than foriegn products.:peace

I see some problems and I disagree with your solution, but we both knew that before you typed your first letter. It looks like we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
Current maximum rate is 35%. What would you make the maximum rate? As for regulations, would you end Sarbanes-Oxley? How about Dodd-Frank?



Woof! That sounds rather dictatorial.



Oh, so GM and Ford can continue manufacturing cars around the world so long as they don't bring them into the states. Many corporations would not be impacted by that one. Perhaps GM and Ford would for those things that are manufactured in Mexico and Canada.



Wow! I can see many items that American purchase have their prices go through the roof.

Then I would have a profit line for corporations if the profits went below the line they would be backed by the federal government bailout like a golden parachute, we have that anyway might as well make it work for all people.

Hmmmm. I guess I can spend this hundred million dollars on bonuses and trips for the Executives of the company since the government will bail us out anyway. Great!



I see some problems and I disagree with your solution, but we both knew that before you typed your first letter. It looks like we will just have to agree to disagree.

I figured you would disagree.
Want to check that post again what was the first offer?
To corporations. you agreed with that check
the next was to benifit the American worker disagreed with that

This one really got my attention, I offered a golden parachute to protect American corporations in case their profit line. got in danger
This we already have and has been used but you disagree with it???check

Bottom line, The American workers get jobs
The corporations get lower corporaste tax, less regulations, a higher tax on foriegn products so American consumers would buy more American products, and a golden parachute to be used if their profit line is in danger.

Even when American corporations get what they want they bitch about it.
No wander the America consumer is dealing with them less and less.:peace
 
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When people act like parasites I call them parasites. If you don't want to be called a parasite stop being one. The problem this country has is your plans has made them parasites against their will. Now they sit back expecting things from other people as if they deserve it. I feel sorry for the middle class and the poor because they have you on their back trying to make them feel weak.

Thanks for providing a defense of the spoiled rich brats, I am sure they are very appreciative! If the working poor and seniors are parasites, why is it the rich are the bloated blood suckers with most of the country's wealth? :sun
 
Ah, taxes well the American government needs taxes, those that have money and jobs pay taxes those that do not have a job do not, do the math.

Now you can call the poor people parasites and call the unemploed lazy.
Bottom line if one does not have money the government can not take money who does that leave?
If you think the boys in D.C. are going to take a salary cut to get more taxes WELL?

But that is logical, that will never compute for the far right.
 
it sure works on stuff like excise taxes on firearms and it works fine on SS and Medicare.

It fails miserably as a basis for a national taxation system - and that is by your own admission.

As to the other stuff, I would welcome your data and analysis to see if you have point or not.
 
I see you love tyranny.

:shock::shock:Huh if the richest taxes are raised we are all the sudden were in "tyranny"? Man we really must of been in tyranny in the 1940's then....
 
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welfare socialist is a different creature than hard core socialists

That was not an answer TurtleDude... Please answer the question... If you can, i know it must be really hard to...
 
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