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What purpose did the tax cut for the wealthiest serve?

The percent whose incomes do not depend on the salaries of Americans. At least in terms of investment of contributions.

Uh that has no basis in fact or logic. I suspect trust funders tend to be more dem. Look at Kerry-he married into money. Ted Kennedy-Trust funder. Rockefeller-trust funder.
 
Don't know, don't care about your strawman. What I do know is that is the the GOP that is willing to sacrifice the economy to protect the tax cuts for the top 1%.

more stupidity in that post. You assume tax cuts for the rich sacrifice the economy when the tax cuts for other people does not?

what i know is that rich haters like you pretend that the rich are responsible for the problems this country faces when in reality, the rich cannot outvote the masses and thus politicians cater to the most votes
 
what i know is that rich haters like you pretend that the rich are responsible for the problems this country faces when in reality, the rich cannot outvote the masses and thus politicians cater to the most votes

Just the opposite. I suspect the poster and others view the rich as a very important part of the solution.
 
Just the opposite. I suspect the poster and others view the rich as a very important part of the solution.

You mean your solution

the rich have the money-it needs to be taken for the good of society?
 
This issue is a libertarian test. It is what separates the honest libertarians from the faux libertarians. Those that pretend to be libertarians always get exposed by their hypocrisy if they support spending as much as the rest of the world combined on military.

Real libertarians wouldn't support intervention in other countries, but they may still support large amounts of military spending depending on how it was used.
 
Coming from you that means nothing since you cannot back it up! It is just you blowing harder! :sun
I've noticed the conservative posters always resort to insults when they are losing.
 
I've noticed the conservative posters always resort to insults when they are losing.

If you say something that is really stupid-such as claiming private property is theft which has no basis in logic or common law etc why shouldn't we note that such a claim is stupid?

and I could note that I am merely attacking a stupid comment while you are essentially calling people like me "thieves" which is a personal insult
 
Real libertarians wouldn't support intervention in other countries, but they may still support large amounts of military spending depending on how it was used.

Here is the official Libertarian Party platform on defense:

"We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression.
The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as
policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service."

Platform | Libertarian Party

I agree with that 100%! Do you?
 
Here is the official Libertarian Party platform on defense:

"We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression.
The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as
policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service."

Platform | Libertarian Party

I agree with that 100%! Do you?

I suspect there are many other parts that you despise
Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic
success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each
person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of
government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a
legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute
wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.


ll persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
 
I suspect there are many other parts that you despise

I agree with none of their other positions except National Defense, never claimed to. And it is amusing watch faux libertarians be exposed when they support our military spending and ME wars.

As a libertarian, I'm sure you support their platform on National defense, right?
 
I agree with none of their other positions except National Defense, never claimed to. And it is amusing watch faux libertarians be exposed when they support our military spending and ME wars.

As a libertarian, I'm sure you support their platform on National defense, right?

I don't pretend to be a member of the party but I generally agree with them on that. I have opposed having massive military presence in nations that don't require it for our own safety
 
Why the Bush tax cut for the wealthy must go

"From a strictly economic standpoint – as if economics had anything to do with this – it makes sense to preserve the Bush tax cuts at least through 2011 for the middle class. There’s no way consumers -- who comprise 70 percent of the economy -- will start buying again if their federal income taxes rise while they’re still struggling to repay their debts, they can’t borrow more, can no longer use their homes as ATMs, and they’re worried about keeping their jobs.

But the same logic doesn’t apply to people at the top, earning over $250K, who represent roughly 2 percent of tax filers. Restoring their marginal tax rates to what they were during the Clinton administration (36 and 39 percent) won’t inhibit their spending. That’s because they already save a large portion of what they earn, and already spend what they want to spend. (During the Clinton years the economy created 22 million net new jobs and unemployment dropped to 4 percent.)

But restoring those top marginal tax rates will help bring down the long-term debt, pulling in almost a trillion dollars of revenues over next ten years. That’s not nearly enough to make a major dent in the nation’s projected deficits, but it’s not chicken feed either. It would at least signal to financial markets we’re serious about cutting that long-term deficit -- and the rest of us will chip in when the economy strengthens.

So-called supply-side economists don’t like raising taxes on anyone, of course, and argue that raising them on the well-off will slow economic growth. They say people at the top will have less incentive to work hard, invest, and invent.

Unfortunately for supply-siders, history has proven them wrong again and again. During almost three decades spanning 1951 to 1980, when America’s top marginal tax rate was between 70 and 92 percent, the nation’s average annual growth was 3.7 percent. But between 1983 and start of the Great Recession, when the top rate was far lower – ranging between 35 and 39 percent – the economy grew an average of just 3 percent per year. Supply-siders are fond of claiming that Ronald Reagan’s 1981 cuts caused the 1980s economic boom. In fact, that boom followed Reagan’s 1982 tax increase. The 1990s boom likewise was not the result of a tax cut; it came in the wake of Bill Clinton’s 1993 tax increase.

A final reason for allowing the Bush tax cut to expire for people at the top is the most basic of all. Although Wall Street’s excesses were the proximate cause of the Great Recession, its fundamental cause lay in the nation’s widening inequality. For many years, most of the gains of economic growth in America have been going to the top – leaving the nation’s vast middle class with a shrinking portion of total income. (In the 1970s, the top 1 percent received 8 to 9 percent of total income, but thereafter income concentrated so rapidly that by 2007 the top received 23.5 percent of the total.) The only way most Americans could continue to buy most of what they produced was by borrowing. But now that the debt bubble has burst – as it inevitably would – the underlying problem has reemerged."
Liberals are greedy parasites.
 
What a well-reasoned response. Want to back that up with some evidence?

we could start with the idiotic claims that those who make 22 percent of the income yet pay 39% of the income tax and all the death tax (aka a surcharge tax on the rich) don't pay their fair share.
 
What a well-reasoned response. Want to back that up with some evidence?
Damn right it's well reasoned, and absolutely true. Why else would you want other people's money, unless you are greedy. It's not YOUR ****ing money, you didn't earn it.
 
we could start with the idiotic claims that those who make 22 percent of the income yet pay 39% of the income tax and all the death tax (aka a surcharge tax on the rich) don't pay their fair share.

Thanks for that solid definition of fair share. I don't think anyone could quibble with something laid out in such detail and supported by such analytical reasoning in a carefully constructed step by step case.
 
Damn right it's well reasoned, and absolutely true. Why else would you want other people's money, unless you are greedy. It's not YOUR ****ing money, you didn't earn it.
The capitalist class would have no money if it wasn't for the working class. So it is really the capitalist class that is taking other people's money. To quote Lincoln on this: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." The bold part is the most relevant to our conversation.
 
You mean your solution

the rich have the money-it needs to be taken for the good of society?

Perhaps you could convince us that the solution is to take large amounts of money from those who do not have large amounts of money to take?
 
Perhaps you could convince us that the solution is to take large amounts of money from those who do not have large amounts of money to take?
Large amounts of money shouldn't be taken from anyone.
 
The capitalist class would have no money if it wasn't for the working class. So it is really the capitalist class that is taking other people's money. To quote Lincoln on this: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." The bold part is the most relevant to our conversation.
Bull****, and I challenge you find any reasonable support for that.
 
Thanks for that solid definition of fair share. I don't think anyone could quibble with something laid out in such detail and supported by such analytical reasoning in a carefully constructed step by step case.

why don't you try to come up with a better one

I suspect for you it changes constantly depending on what the tax rate is

But its certainly a legitimate point to start with share of the income and say a fair share of the income tax is your same share of the income

of course I believe its based on what you use meaning 1% of the population should pay for one percent of the government services.
 
The capitalist class would have no money if it wasn't for the working class. So it is really the capitalist class that is taking other people's money. To quote Lincoln on this: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." The bold part is the most relevant to our conversation.

More nonsense.
 
Bull****, and I challenge you find any reasonable support for that.
I take it the support of Lincoln isn't good enough for you is it? Okay, well how about the fact that it is the working class who makes the products that the capitalists sell. If it were not for the working class, the capitalists would have nothing. They rely on labor to build their products. That is why strikes are such an effective tactic, because they deprive the capitalists of their source of labor and thus drain them of their abilty to produce. If labor was not so important strikes would not as effective as they are.
 
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