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Should the Embargo with Cuba be lifted?

Embargo?

  • End Embargo

    Votes: 53 84.1%
  • Keep Embargo

    Votes: 10 15.9%

  • Total voters
    63
As long as Fidel is alive - keep the embargo. When he's finally worm food, lift it. So I had to vote "keep embargo". :(

Why ?
And what did Cuba ever do to deserve this treatment ?
So if Castro dies, there are several generations of Castro supporters to consider.
 
Иосиф Сталин;1059702017 said:
Yeah, who knows if America could one day need Cuba's advice on how to treat political dissidents. After all the USA will probably turn into a totalitarian regime, if the gap between rich and poor keeps widening.
This is scary and this could happen....Our best and brightest should be studying Germany and other nations who have stumbled into totalitarianism.
 
The basic idea around it is power politics. Cuba is somewhat isolated at this point,
Kinda isolated. True from US companies, trade, and any other corporations under the Helms Embargo Act. But they are not completed isolated. And what makes you think this embargo is even "working". Its whole point was to lessen the Castro bros power and the Communist Parties power which it has done exact the opposite. It has actually strengthened them...

and any country that has interest in giving support will be operating on exterior lines. This was a land the Soviets overextended on. All we do is encourage democracy, then leave.
Right... Democracy....

I actually gave a speech on this and will post the outline of the speech here...

US Should end the Trade Embargo on Cuba
Introduction:
Opener: A trade embargo is a law or policy a state initiates which prohibits or otherwise restricts the importation/exportation of goods. Trade embargoes are typically motivated by political, economic, moral, or environmental reasons, and used as a form of protest against another country's practices. The US government has a trade embargo on the country of Cuba, a country we grew up to hate with a passion. Why? Mostly because of Fidel Castro, and how they are a “communist state”. The United States of America’s answer to the Cuba crisis was first to invade the country in the Bay of Pigs invasion then once that failed the US imposed a trade embargo. The Cuban people have been suffering from this for many years. According to the October 26 edition of the Examiner, a political paper, the United Nations General Assembly voted to request the US to end its “illegal” embargo on Cuba. The vote came to 187 for and two against, the only two nations that voted for were the US and Israel. This is a unjust, inhuman embargo that hurts the people of this world; the Cuban people.

Introduction Transition

• Topic Background: The Cuban trade embargo is unjust and inhumane. According to a article done by Time Magazine in August, 29 1994 a news magazine, “Even the U.N. sanctions against Saddam Hussein's Iraq permit it to buy food and medicine for humanitarian reasons; to get U.S. food and medicine to Castro's Cuba, someone has to donate it.” This is being done because of Fidel Castro’s “unjust regime in Cuba” and how they are a communist state. The US trades with supposed “communist regimes” all the time, EX: China and Vietnam. The trade embargo was enacted after Cuba nationalized US corporations in Cuba. It was put into law in October, 1960. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba has had little to no one to trade with. Then in 1996 the US strengthened the embargo with the Helms-Burton Act. The act extended the territorial application of the initial embargo to apply to foreign companies trading with Cuba, and penalized foreign companies allegedly "trafficking" in property formerly owned by U.S. citizens, so in other words it penalizes foreign companies for undergoing trade relations with Cuba.

• Audience “Need to Know” Statement: Since we are supposedly a just nation that wants the best for the world, why should we make a country suffer because of their beliefs on how their government is ran. If we are a humane country we should live up to our name and end this embargo.

• Speaker Background: I have a great interest in United State, Cuban relations and a great interest in Cuba as a whole.

Thesis: The Cuban trade embargo should be lifted because of many reasons:
Preview Main Points: it has clearly failed to remove the Castro regime, it is inhumane; it is condemned by the UN, old and outdated, hurts Americans, and is not the right way to “reform” Cuba.

Body:

I. Reason 1: It has failed to remove the Castro regime, and help the Cuban people.

A. The very purpose of the Cuban Trade Embargo was to remove Castro. This has clearly not done that. It has actually strengthened Castro and has gained more popularity from his people. According to a Time Magazine Article titled Cuba: Castro’s Brain: Castro’s popularity has grown over time and “increased with fervor.” It is common sense to see that the embargo has failed to remove Fidel’s communist regime.

B. The Cuban embargo has hurt the Cuban people, which is the exact opposite of what the embargo was supposed to do. It is very difficult for the Cuban people to get everyday items, like batteries, beef, and aspirin. It also deprives them of important imports like medical technology for their health care system.

II. Reason 2: It is Inhumane.

A. It is just simply wrong for the US government to use food, and medical supply as being as a instrument of United States foreign policy. Representative of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights on the situation
of human rights in Cuba described the effects of the embargo on the economic, social and cultural rights of the Cuban people as “disastrous”.

B. Cuba has fallen into a “special period”, after the fall of their main trading partner the Soviet Union. With the embargo in place Cuba was left isolated.

III. Reason 3: Condemned by the United Nations.

A. The United Nations has condemned the US embargo against Cuba many, many times. According to El Mundo a Spanish Newspaper the United Nations has” condemned the embargo as a clear violation of international law every year since 1992. A question I ask is why does the United State hold itself above the United Nations, which is basically the world. “

IV. Reason 4: The Embargo is Old and Outdated.

A. According to Al Kamen author of At 50, the Cuban trade embargo is not aging well, that the embargo had wide support at the beginnings of it, but a recent poll shows that 53% of Americans would like to see the embargo lifted.

B. The Castro regime is open to negations so logic would indicate that the US should openly deal with Cuba instead of adding the hardships to Cuba.

V. Reason 5: Embargo Hurts Americans.

A. According to Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles who wrote an article for Sound Business Journal , the embargo is hurting American farmers. In particular the embargo hurts wheat, pea, and lentil growers “by depriving them of access to Cuba’s $700 million food import market.”

B. If we are a free nation we should have the freedom to travel. The embargo puts a strict restriction on American to travel to Cuba. It is illegal for an American citizen to travel to Cuba for whatever reason it may be. Most Americans who want to visit Cuba have to do it illegal by going through a third country such as Canada.

VI. Reason 6: This is Not the Right Way to Reform Cuba.

A. This is not the right way to reform Cuba. By hurting the Cuban people and oppressing the Cuban government, which is the exact same claim we are making why we hold up the embargo is because the Cuban government “oppresses the Cuban people.”
Conclusion:

Restate Thesis: The Cuban trade embargo should be lifted because of many reasons:
Review Main Points: it has clearly failed to remove the Castro regime, it is inhumane; it is condemned by the UN, old and outdated, hurts Americans, and is not the right way to “reform” Cuba.

Closer: The Cuban embargo should be immediately lifted. It is hurting the Cuban people and is making the US look like the all controlling state. We should immediately lift the embargo if we uphold our name of being a country of justice, and hope. We are destroying the Cuban nation and the Cuban people. We should look towards diplomacy instead of sanctions to try to reform the country of Cuba.
 
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Keep the embargo. Every argument made against it has been initiated by a Cuban, a socialist, or someone buying the communist gov. sources.

And why would a wealthy conservative or a tea bagging lackey, have such a fear of communism, even Cuban communism ???
 
Give me an example. A source would help too. Andthe ones who trade with them are not in assisting distance or don't have the projection power.

are you for real?

We stopped trying to coerce other countries from joining us in the embargo in the 70's.

not sure why you don't do a quick google search yourself, but here you go Foreign trade - Cuba - export
 
And why would a wealthy conservative or a tea bagging lackey, have such a fear of communism, even Cuban communism ???

The fear I get from it is probably hidden from you. Communists have the ability to control the media and to seell out to the west information that they want you to believe. Not really the real thing. Pick up a copy of New lies for Old, Petrostate, and Lenin's political beliefs.
 
Kinda isolated. True from US companies, trade, and any other corporations under the Helms Embargo Act. But they are not completed isolated. And what makes you think this embargo is even "working". Its whole point was to lessen the Castro bros power and the Communist Parties power which it has done exact the opposite. It has actually strengthened them...


Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba has had little to no one to trade with.

I guess your own words support my thesis. Oh and the invasion failed because the United States didn't exercise the advantage of the initiative. They could've used an oblique order to draw their atttention to one landing while making it somewhere else. Also they had the advantage of mobility.
 
None of those countries are in a position to help Cuba.

trade relations mean they aren't isolated.

you can move the goal posts further if you like
 
They're globalist, and you don't know what Ron Paul has been reading. I don't like China at all you htink we should give in to our demands and let them compete with out economy? But brah why u mad?

The US is also globalist. And the US govt doesn't seem to share your opinion. Maybe you should push for an embargo against the US :lol:
 
The US is also globalist. And the US govt doesn't seem to share your opinion. Maybe you should push for an embargo against the US :lol:

I don't like our government. I don't like much governments. But the big shot politicians lean toward the left..
 
Kinda isolated. True from US companies, trade, and any other corporations under the Helms Embargo Act. But they are not completed isolated. And what makes you think this embargo is even "working". Its whole point was to lessen the Castro bros power and the Communist Parties power which it has done exact the opposite. It has actually strengthened them...


Right... Democracy....

I actually gave a speech on this and will post the outline of the speech here...

US Should end the Trade Embargo on Cuba
Introduction:
Opener: A trade embargo is a law or policy a state initiates which prohibits or otherwise restricts the importation/exportation of goods. Trade embargoes are typically motivated by political, economic, moral, or environmental reasons, and used as a form of protest against another country's practices. The US government has a trade embargo on the country of Cuba, a country we grew up to hate with a passion. Why? Mostly because of Fidel Castro, and how they are a “communist state”. The United States of America’s answer to the Cuba crisis was first to invade the country in the Bay of Pigs invasion then once that failed the US imposed a trade embargo. The Cuban people have been suffering from this for many years. According to the October 26 edition of the Examiner, a political paper, the United Nations General Assembly voted to request the US to end its “illegal” embargo on Cuba. The vote came to 187 for and two against, the only two nations that voted for were the US and Israel. This is a unjust, inhuman embargo that hurts the people of this world; the Cuban people.

Introduction Transition

• Topic Background: The Cuban trade embargo is unjust and inhumane. According to a article done by Time Magazine in August, 29 1994 a news magazine, “Even the U.N. sanctions against Saddam Hussein's Iraq permit it to buy food and medicine for humanitarian reasons; to get U.S. food and medicine to Castro's Cuba, someone has to donate it.” This is being done because of Fidel Castro’s “unjust regime in Cuba” and how they are a communist state. The US trades with supposed “communist regimes” all the time, EX: China and Vietnam. The trade embargo was enacted after Cuba nationalized US corporations in Cuba. It was put into law in October, 1960. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba has had little to no one to trade with. Then in 1996 the US strengthened the embargo with the Helms-Burton Act. The act extended the territorial application of the initial embargo to apply to foreign companies trading with Cuba, and penalized foreign companies allegedly "trafficking" in property formerly owned by U.S. citizens, so in other words it penalizes foreign companies for undergoing trade relations with Cuba.

• Audience “Need to Know” Statement: Since we are supposedly a just nation that wants the best for the world, why should we make a country suffer because of their beliefs on how their government is ran. If we are a humane country we should live up to our name and end this embargo.

• Speaker Background: I have a great interest in United State, Cuban relations and a great interest in Cuba as a whole.

Thesis: The Cuban trade embargo should be lifted because of many reasons:
Preview Main Points: it has clearly failed to remove the Castro regime, it is inhumane; it is condemned by the UN, old and outdated, hurts Americans, and is not the right way to “reform” Cuba.

Body:

I. Reason 1: It has failed to remove the Castro regime, and help the Cuban people.

A. The very purpose of the Cuban Trade Embargo was to remove Castro. This has clearly not done that. It has actually strengthened Castro and has gained more popularity from his people. According to a Time Magazine Article titled Cuba: Castro’s Brain: Castro’s popularity has grown over time and “increased with fervor.” It is common sense to see that the embargo has failed to remove Fidel’s communist regime.

B. The Cuban embargo has hurt the Cuban people, which is the exact opposite of what the embargo was supposed to do. It is very difficult for the Cuban people to get everyday items, like batteries, beef, and aspirin. It also deprives them of important imports like medical technology for their health care system.

II. Reason 2: It is Inhumane.

A. It is just simply wrong for the US government to use food, and medical supply as being as a instrument of United States foreign policy. Representative of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights on the situation
of human rights in Cuba described the effects of the embargo on the economic, social and cultural rights of the Cuban people as “disastrous”.

B. Cuba has fallen into a “special period”, after the fall of their main trading partner the Soviet Union. With the embargo in place Cuba was left isolated.

III. Reason 3: Condemned by the United Nations.

A. The United Nations has condemned the US embargo against Cuba many, many times. According to El Mundo a Spanish Newspaper the United Nations has” condemned the embargo as a clear violation of international law every year since 1992. A question I ask is why does the United State hold itself above the United Nations, which is basically the world. “

IV. Reason 4: The Embargo is Old and Outdated.

A. According to Al Kamen author of At 50, the Cuban trade embargo is not aging well, that the embargo had wide support at the beginnings of it, but a recent poll shows that 53% of Americans would like to see the embargo lifted.

B. The Castro regime is open to negations so logic would indicate that the US should openly deal with Cuba instead of adding the hardships to Cuba.

V. Reason 5: Embargo Hurts Americans.

A. According to Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles who wrote an article for Sound Business Journal , the embargo is hurting American farmers. In particular the embargo hurts wheat, pea, and lentil growers “by depriving them of access to Cuba’s $700 million food import market.”

B. If we are a free nation we should have the freedom to travel. The embargo puts a strict restriction on American to travel to Cuba. It is illegal for an American citizen to travel to Cuba for whatever reason it may be. Most Americans who want to visit Cuba have to do it illegal by going through a third country such as Canada.

VI. Reason 6: This is Not the Right Way to Reform Cuba.

A. This is not the right way to reform Cuba. By hurting the Cuban people and oppressing the Cuban government, which is the exact same claim we are making why we hold up the embargo is because the Cuban government “oppresses the Cuban people.”
Conclusion:

Restate Thesis: The Cuban trade embargo should be lifted because of many reasons:
Review Main Points: it has clearly failed to remove the Castro regime, it is inhumane; it is condemned by the UN, old and outdated, hurts Americans, and is not the right way to “reform” Cuba.

Closer: The Cuban embargo should be immediately lifted. It is hurting the Cuban people and is making the US look like the all controlling state. We should immediately lift the embargo if we uphold our name of being a country of justice, and hope. We are destroying the Cuban nation and the Cuban people. We should look towards diplomacy instead of sanctions to try to reform the country of Cuba.

When it comes to Cuba policy, it's the US that's isolated. Plenty of European corps trade with them, and plenty of Europeans go there on vacation
 
I don't like our government. I don't like much governments. But the big shot politicians lean toward the left..

I'm waiting for you to make an argument you can substantiate, instead of chanting slogans with no corroboration
 
When it comes to Cuba policy, it's the US that's isolated. Plenty of European corps trade with them, and plenty of Europeans go there on vacation

Not really. Alliance conditions really vary. There is no real way they can unite completely. So just take one country at a time and defeat it in detail. And if a country threatens with war, adopt a bait and bleed that contradicts with its interests so it's occupied with that.
 
only after you post the first coherent sentence of your dp existence.

Judt read all the posts of mine. I've already gave you my opinion; now I'm talking about all the evidence that supports my opinion.
 
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Oh..oh..oh.. keep the embargo. It's so effective at getting rid of communism.
 
Body:

I. Reason 1: It has failed to remove the Castro regime, and help the Cuban people.

A. The very purpose of the Cuban Trade Embargo was to remove Castro. This has clearly not done that. It has actually strengthened Castro and has gained more popularity from his people. According to a Time Magazine Article titled Cuba: Castro’s Brain: Castro’s popularity has grown over time and “increased with fervor.” It is common sense to see that the embargo has failed to remove Fidel’s communist regime.

B. The Cuban embargo has hurt the Cuban people, which is the exact opposite of what the embargo was supposed to do. It is very difficult for the Cuban people to get everyday items, like batteries, beef, and aspirin. It also deprives them of important imports like medical technology for their health care system.

II. Reason 2: It is Inhumane.

A. It is just simply wrong for the US government to use food, and medical supply as being as a instrument of United States foreign policy. Representative of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights on the situation
of human rights in Cuba described the effects of the embargo on the economic, social and cultural rights of the Cuban people as “disastrous”.

B. Cuba has fallen into a “special period”, after the fall of their main trading partner the Soviet Union. With the embargo in place Cuba was left isolated.

III. Reason 3: Condemned by the United Nations.

A. The United Nations has condemned the US embargo against Cuba many, many times. According to El Mundo a Spanish Newspaper the United Nations has” condemned the embargo as a clear violation of international law every year since 1992. A question I ask is why does the United State hold itself above the United Nations, which is basically the world. “

IV. Reason 4: The Embargo is Old and Outdated.

A. According to Al Kamen author of At 50, the Cuban trade embargo is not aging well, that the embargo had wide support at the beginnings of it, but a recent poll shows that 53% of Americans would like to see the embargo lifted.

B. The Castro regime is open to negations so logic would indicate that the US should openly deal with Cuba instead of adding the hardships to Cuba.

V. Reason 5: Embargo Hurts Americans.

A. According to Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles who wrote an article for Sound Business Journal , the embargo is hurting American farmers. In particular the embargo hurts wheat, pea, and lentil growers “by depriving them of access to Cuba’s $700 million food import market.”

B. If we are a free nation we should have the freedom to travel. The embargo puts a strict restriction on American to travel to Cuba. It is illegal for an American citizen to travel to Cuba for whatever reason it may be. Most Americans who want to visit Cuba have to do it illegal by going through a third country such as Canada.

VI. Reason 6: This is Not the Right Way to Reform Cuba.

A. This is not the right way to reform Cuba. By hurting the Cuban people and oppressing the Cuban government, which is the exact same claim we are making why we hold up the embargo is because the Cuban government “oppresses the Cuban people.”
Conclusion:

Restate Thesis: The Cuban trade embargo should be lifted because of many reasons:
Review Main Points: it has clearly failed to remove the Castro regime, it is inhumane; it is condemned by the UN, old and outdated, hurts Americans, and is not the right way to “reform” Cuba.

Closer: The Cuban embargo should be immediately lifted. It is hurting the Cuban people and is making the US look like the all controlling state. We should immediately lift the embargo if we uphold our name of being a country of justice, and hope. We are destroying the Cuban nation and the Cuban people. We should look towards diplomacy instead of sanctions to try to reform the country of Cuba.

Please note that this is not my personal opinion.



This rationale has some flaws. Reason one is correct. The embargo has failed under its original motivations. It has been a punishment though which is what it was designed to do as well. It is a way to say "Hey we don't like you." which in this way it has been successful.

Reason 2 is a fallacy. The embargo is not inhumane. Cuba has never been isolated. It has had the USSR and several other states have dropped the embargo over time.

Reason 3 is silly. The UN condemns lots of things. It was a non-binding agreement. If the UN were serious the they would have done more. But the UN is not a serious place.

Reason 4 is partially correct. The embargo is old but it is not outdated. We are still saying "Hey we don't like you." It is the right of the US to make the statement that we don't want to trade with them.

Reason 5 is overstated. The embargo does very little to America. 700 million, although vast to you and me, is chump change to the US economy. The embargo does hurt Cuba though. Their foreign minister even said as much with the written statement when the UN condemned the embargo in 2009. But the US government is not in the business of caring what hurts Cubans in matters of trade. They are not our citizens and should have no voice in US political trade decisions. Their minister said that we have denied them up to 93 billion over the life of the embargo and that we have hindered their development. Any US representative should say "You are not the US. You have no right to the trade in the first place since we don't want to trade with you."

Further the issue of freedom is not in question here. You do not have a right to travel wherever and wherever you want to. Drive to ORNL or any major military base and watch them turn you away unless you have a direct reason for being there. The American people, through our political decisions, have stated that travel to Cuba should be restricted. This is just like driving without a seat belt. Yes, your freedom to drive unsafely is restricted but society can restrict this through law.

Reason 6 is a person opinion and is not an objective reason to remove the embargo. The opposite opinion is that we shouldn't trade with a person who has tried to place nuclear weapons so close to our shores. Mind you, this doesn't mean he didn't have a right to do this. It is just that we don't have to like it and our embargo is one response to not liking his actions.

Your conclusion is flawed and your premise is not supported except by reason 1. The main rationale to keep the embargo remain.

1. The person(s) who directly threatened the US by allowing (or at least wanting) nukes onto his land is still in power. Our response, the embargo, to that action (the embargo is a response to other actions by the Cuban government as well) should remain while the person who threatened us remains.

2. The embargo is a political chip used in US internal politics. It doesn't harm the US but its removal de-focuses the political conversation in South Florida. Keeping this conversation going is more important now than actually removing the embargo.

3. A signification portion of American citizens of Cuban decent still support the embargo. The rest of us should support them since the embargo doesn't hurt the US. This last one is a little bit more difficult to determine but they still seem to be voting for people who vote to keep the embargo.

The opposing conclusion would be: Trade with Cuba is not a right the US even remotely has to recognize. If they want trade with us, then they have to do it on our terms we can agree with. Normally this type of trade wouldn't be a problem. We will practice capitalism in a heart beat. But China didn't park nukes off our coast. The dictators in the Middle East are never going to be a threaten to us legitimately. Cuba was direct threat and because they were and because of the special historical relationship and because the person who directly threatened us is still in power, the embargo should stay. The embargo shouldn't last forever. But, it should last until at least Fidel dies.
 
I am not as ideologically against lifting the embargo as I once was, but I would like a lifting of the embargo to be accompanied by a return to those the property that was stolen from them by the revolutionary government of Castro when they won the revolution more than 50 years ago.
 
Not really. Alliance conditions really vary. There is no real way they can unite completely. So just take one country at a time and defeat it in detail. And if a country threatens with war, adopt a bait and bleed that contradicts with its interests so it's occupied with that.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

You said that Cuba is isolated. I showed that they are not. I have no idea what "unite completely" has to do with being isolated, nevermind taking one country at a time.

another poster referred to your posts as incoherent. This one was a good example of that incoherence
 
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