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Are both parties risking creating even more independents with their lack of leadership, partisan games and other general stupidity?
 
Are both parties risking creating even more independents with their lack of leadership, partisan games and other general stupidity?

Went with "mebbe". No doubt there are some partisan games going on, but the topic at hand is a serious one. As both sides make their statements about how the other side is the one not cooperating its hard to determine who to believe.

The out of control spending really does have the possibility of collapsing this economy. And both sides are reluctant to provide hard specifics on where they will apply actual cuts. (Raising taxes is easy compared to cutting existing spending...)


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We Have Met the Enemy and He is Us.

Liberals, Independents, and even some Conservatives voted for Obama who was wholly unqualified for the job, since then he has proven this over and over, yet people let it slide.
In part because they didn't want to admit they were wrong.

Most others didn't fight back like they should and now we all are paying the price.

Yes President Bush did a lot wrong and many let it go because we were seen to be under attack and he did a couple of things right. Obama can't make that claim and neither can his supporters.

We are in need of the Statesman I have been talking about for a while. Someone who is not afraid of the truth or the hard decisions.

It doesn't have to be about labels other than being Americans any more.

It has to be about right and wrong and logic that complies with the Constitution and the will of the people once they are informed, with the truth and facts, which are hard to come by these days.
 
Well, I sure don't feel very inspired by the Democrats.
 
Well, I sure don't feel very inspired by the Democrats.
Me either. Kucinich is about the only Dem who can inspire me to feel anything other than disgust for the party at the moment.
 
Yes, and we NEED more independents / 3rd party politicians.
 
Is it time to unveil my plan for the Pragmatist's Party?

Should our motto be, "whatever works," or "leave your melodrama at the door?"
 
Perhaps. I for one am not overly impressed with either party just the now.
 
Are both parties risking creating even more independents with their lack of leadership, partisan games and other general stupidity?

Yes, I basically hear both sides saying the same crap they always say but at a higher volume. They want to go back to their party's principles rather than actually work for the people. Each party has a few positives, but they both have negatives and they won't work together. Having to pick between the two parities is just bs.
 
Are both parties risking creating even more independents with their lack of leadership, partisan games and other general stupidity?

What's wrong with Independents that creating them would be such a risk? Beyond the mere fact that as Independents we don't have to refer to a long-winded partisian political party platform to determine what we think about issues, that is. :mrgreen:
 
Is it time to unveil my plan for the Pragmatist's Party?

Should our motto be, "whatever works," or "leave your melodrama at the door?"

"No Drama Llamas Allowed."
 
Can't both parties compromise and agree to increase taxes and cut spending? That would cut the deficit a lot and restore a little more faith to both parties.
Yet they are idiots and like most politicians, know nothing about compromise and the greater good.
That's why a friend of mine said: Diapers and politicians need to be changed often for the same reason
 
Can't both parties compromise and agree to increase taxes and cut spending? That would cut the deficit a lot and restore a little more faith to both parties.
Yet they are idiots and like most politicians, know nothing about compromise and the greater good.
That's why a friend of mine said: Diapers and politicians need to be changed often for the same reason

They can't. They signed a pledge to Grover Norquist.
 
What's wrong with Independents that creating them would be such a risk? Beyond the mere fact that as Independents we don't have to refer to a long-winded partisian political party platform to determine what we think about issues, that is. :mrgreen:

At the cost of default? That's not worth it. However, I do agree that more independents is a better outcome.
 
Are both parties risking creating even more independents with their lack of leadership, partisan games and other general stupidity?

We can hope, as well as some radical moderates, a term I've heard a few places and borrow here.
 
Perhaps. I for one am not overly impressed with either party just the now.

I'm impressed with the Republicans, right now, for holding their ground--for the most part.
 
Can't both parties compromise and agree to increase taxes and cut spending? That would cut the deficit a lot and restore a little more faith to both parties.
Yet they are idiots and like most politicians, know nothing about compromise and the greater good.
That's why a friend of mine said: Diapers and politicians need to be changed often for the same reason

This is what the majority of Americans want...but the republican party is being held hostage by approx 80 of its hard right newbies .
I dont care what anyone says...its the GOP thats being utterly unreasonable in the negotiations....I posted a poll showing they are losing ground with thier We wont compromise stance.
 
I'm impressed with the Republicans, right now, for holding their ground--for the most part.


Impressed with a handful of GOP holding the party and the country hostage because they refuse to accept anything less than their demands ? ...me thinks that most of the country in the end will disagree with you
 
Impressed with a handful of GOP holding the party and the country hostage because they refuse to accept anything less than their demands ? ...me thinks that most of the country in the end will disagree with you

As apposed to the Democrats who refuse to give in and expect their own demands to be met. Do you really not see that both sides are to blame here.
 
As apposed to the Democrats who refuse to give in and expect their own demands to be met. Do you really not see that both sides are to blame here.

No, I REALLY don't, because Obama literally pissed off his own party giving the Republicans what they asked for. He did. Repeatedly. They just kept saying no. They wouldn't take what he was offering unless he was willing to accept nothing in return. You really don't see how unbalanced that is? You really don't see that only one side is refusing to bring anything to the table. Really?
 
Are both parties risking creating even more independents with their lack of leadership, partisan games and other general stupidity?

I say no because both sides want this done their way and voters have short attention spans and short term outrage.
 
I say no because both sides want this done their way and voters have short attention spans and short term outrage.

i say yes.....i am certainly very unhappy with both the dems and the reps.
 
I say no because both sides want this done their way and voters have short attention spans and short term outrage.

You may be correct. Guess I will be one of the exceptions come time to vote. I would hope that the majority of Americans will be tired of the same old WO politics and actually demand something from the elected officials. I voted yes, because I don't plan to forget.
 
i say yes.....i am certainly very unhappy with both the dems and the reps.

So are a lot of other people.However will that matter to most people when the next election comes around? Voters have short term memory and short term outrage and when this issue is brought again at the next elect most people simply will not care about it because it will have been replaced with another issue.
 
I think it takes a special kind of shallow personality to be an independent voter. It doesn't matter what the parties do; if you aren't completely and utterly indifferent to the debate about human vulnerability versus human selfishness you really aren't qualified to be an independent.
 
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