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Mao Tse-Tung & the Red Poison known as Communism

Is communism a blight upon society and Mao Tse-Tung an evil Communist?

  • Yes to both

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • Only communism is bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Only Mao Tse-Tung was wicked, not communism

    Votes: 8 57.1%

  • Neither communism nor Mao are responsible for wickedness

    Votes: 3 21.4%

  • I'm unsure (Please ask questions to help you become sure)

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Total voters
    14
Wake

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I've been reading a lot of books about communism and Map Tse-Tung, recently. Apparently this communist was a very evil man who killed millions... in peacetime.

My question is if communism spawns such violent murderers, consistently, then why is it not condemned? Any wise person understands communism has killed far more people than Naziism ever did. Furthermore, I don't subscribe to the lie that "communism never existed", that lie will not be tolerated. Because of this ideology, millions upon millions have died; but come now, communists weren't believers in communism---obviously they only thought they believed in communism.

They say knowledge is power. Is this true? Though I'm learning about the scourge of communism and the people who clung to the belief, undoubtedly there will be naive members who will claim communism is A-OK, that their belief is more valid than an older Chinese author or two who actually lived through such horror. Undoubtedly, I know there are ex-Soviets et al who will tell you the folly of following communism; but don't believe the people who actually experienced communism, because they, of course, must be wrong.

Communism is a poisonous ideology responsible for the death of millions.

Mao Tse-Tung was one such communist; his wicked acts are legion. He is but one.

Do you think communism is detrimental and Mao an evil mass-murderer?
 
Wake said:
I've been reading a lot of books about communism and Map Tse-Tung, recently. Apparently this communist was a very evil man who killed millions... in peacetime.

My question is if communism spawns such violent murderers, consistently, then why is it not condemned? Any wise person understands communism has killed far more people than Naziism ever did. Furthermore, I don't subscribe to the lie that "communism never existed", that lie will not be tolerated. Because of this ideology, millions upon millions have died; but come now, communists weren't believers in communism---obviously they only thought they believed in communism.

They say knowledge is power. Is this true? Though I'm learning about the scourge of communism and the people who clung to the belief, undoubtedly there will be naive members who will claim communism is A-OK, that their belief is more valid than an older Chinese author or two who actually lived through such horror. Undoubtedly, I know there are ex-Soviets et al who will tell you the folly of following communism; but don't believe the people who actually experienced communism, because they, of course, must be wrong.

Communism is a poisonous ideology responsible for the death of millions.

Mao Tse-Tung was one such communist; his wicked acts are legion. He is but one.

Do you think communism is detrimental and Mao an evil mass-murderer?
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are you for realz??
 
Wake said:
I've been reading a lot of books about communism and Map Tse-Tung, recently. Apparently this communist was a very evil man who killed millions... in peacetime.

My question is if communism spawns such violent murderers, consistently, then why is it not condemned? Any wise person understands communism has killed far more people than Naziism ever did. Furthermore, I don't subscribe to the lie that "communism never existed", that lie will not be tolerated. Because of this ideology, millions upon millions have died; but come now, communists weren't believers in communism---obviously they only thought they believed in communism.
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I think that communism is condemned, though. No one with a modicum of sense praises China or the former U.S.S.R as models of good government, do they?
 
StillBallin75 said:
are you for realz??
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What do you mean? Are you saying communism hasn't "birthed" communistic tyrants? A few posters in this very forum seem to think communism is blameless and that those tyrants acted outside of communism.
 
Singularity said:
I think that communism is condemned, though. No one with a modicum of sense praises China or the former U.S.S.R as models of good government, do they?
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Did you know there's a communist party in America? Or that people over the internet support communism? I've actually debated with communists here, in the past.
 
Wake said:
What do you mean? Are you saying communism hasn't "birthed" communistic tyrants? A few posters in this very forum seem to think communism is blameless and that those tyrants acted outside of communism.
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No, I'm amazed that you think communism hasn't been condemned.
 
StillBallin75 said:
No, I'm amazed that you think communism hasn't been condemned.
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True. But that doesn't stop communistic people from supporting and arguing for communism. Le Marteu was one example, there's other communistic posters, here.

It only takes a few commies to create more commies. They don't just manifest in large numbers out of thin air. That ideology needs to be further condemned and rebuked.
 
Wake said:
Did you know there's a communist party in America? Or that people over the internet support communism? I've actually debated with communists here, in the past.
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Yes, I know that there is a communist party here in the U.S., and that there are people on the internet who support communism. There are plenty of folks who support some pretty wacky things, and on this board all you have to do is browse the 'Conspiracy Theory' forum to find them, but I think those folks who support that form of government are in the minority. I think most folks condemn communism. While the supporters may be here on this board, i've never read a thread where someone claimed that China's or the U.S.S.R's government is preferable to ours, and if I did I would dismiss it as easily as I did that "Loose Change" video.
 
Wake said:
True. But that doesn't stop communistic people from supporting and arguing for communism. Le Marteu was one example, there's other communistic posters, here.
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What's your point? Fascism has killed people...doesn't mean fascism is an ideology with no redeeming value. As a matter of fact, we have an excellent and original-thinking fascist poster right here on this forum. Monarchies and colonial empires have killed people...does that mean nobody should be a monarchist?

It only takes a few commies to create more commies. They don't just manifest in large numbers out of thin air. That ideology needs to be further condemned and rebuked.
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No, it takes more than that.
 
StillBallin75 said:
What's your point? Fascism has killed people...doesn't mean fascism is an ideology with no redeeming value. As a matter of fact, we have an excellent and original-thinking fascist poster right here on this forum. Monarchies and colonial empires have killed people...does that mean nobody should be a monarchist?



No, it takes more than that.
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Sorry, but I don't get what your point is. I'm simply saying communism is wrong, and that people need to be aware of communists, even though they're in the minority. Not sure why you're arguing so passionately..

Well, obviously.
 
Wake said:
Sorry, but I don't get what your point is. I'm simply saying communism is wrong, and that people need to be aware of communists, even though they're in the minority. Not sure why you're arguing so passionately..

Well, obviously.
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Nonsense, it's not wrong. It just doesn't work.

My point is, you're being extremely narrow-minded in your assessment of communists. "All these Communist regimes have killed so many people therefore it's all bad, and all communists are stupid and they all need to be rooted out and we need to fear them." That's bull****.

You're a religious person. So many people have died because of religious strife. Would I be correct in condemning all religion as evil, and all religious folk as a blight on society?
 
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Wake said:
What do you mean? Are you saying communism hasn't "birthed" communistic tyrants? A few posters in this very forum seem to think communism is blameless and that those tyrants acted outside of communism.
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I haven't read the entire thread yet, but could you also tell us your opinion on capitalistic tyrants?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Nonsense, it's not wrong. It just doesn't work.

My point is, you're being extremely narrow-minded in your assessment of communists. "All these Communist regimes have killed so many people therefore it's all bad, and all communists are stupid and they all need to be rooted out and we need to fear them." That's bull****.
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Stillballin, if millions of people have died from the belief in a theory, it's a bad theory.

Thou dost protest too much.

samsmart said:
I haven't read the entire thread yet, but could you also tell us your opinion on capitalistic tyrants?
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I think I recognize this card. Now, I've vaguely heard of the Congo supposedly being capitalistic, though, they haven't been responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people.
 
Wake said:
Stillballin, if millions of people have died from the belief in a theory, it's a bad theory.

Thou dost protest too much.



I think I recognize this card. Now, I've vaguely heard of the Congo supposedly being capitalistic, though, they haven't been responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people.
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thou thinketh in too simplistic terms. Since you didn't catch my edit, I'll put it to you here:

You're a religious person. So many people have died because of religious strife. Would I be correct in condemning all religion as evil, and all religious folk as a blight on society?
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Communism as a political philosophy is not violent. Communism requires that much power be given to the government. It is true that many communist leaders have murdered and killed many many people. However, I do not think this was the result of the communist philosophy. Correlation does not equal causation. I think the cause was the evils of the leaders themselves. I think they adopted communism because they wanted power, and communism requires that much power be given to the government. The murders and killings were done to take power or to remain in control of power. Communism is a political philosophy, and as such is not "bad" or "evil." I believe that Mao was an evil mass murderer, however Mao was the killer and not communism.
 
digsbe said:
Communism as a political philosophy is not violent. Communism requires that much power be given to the government. It is true that many communist leaders have murdered and killed many many people. However, I do not think this was the result of the communist philosophy. Correlation does not equal causation. I think the cause was the evils of the leaders themselves. I think they adopted communism because they wanted power, and communism requires that much power be given to the government. The murders and killings were done to take power or to remain in control of power. Communism is a political philosophy, and as such is not "bad" or "evil." I believe that Mao was an evil mass murderer, however Mao was the killer and not communism.
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I agree, except for these two sentences. Reality is a bit more complex than that.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
thou thinketh in too simplistic terms. Since you didn't catch my edit, I'll put it to you here:
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Have Christians killed over 100 million within the last 100 years? No offense but methinks that was a silly deflection.

I must be simple-minded to wonder why people just happen to be killed under communism.
 
Well, IMO, a true Communist system has never existed because all the ones that we have seen thus far have not helped the working class at all, rather they switched economic power with political power and the life of the worker was made much worse.
 
Wake said:
Have Christians killed over 100 million within the last 100 years? No offense but methinks that was a silly deflection.

I must be simple-minded to wonder why people just happen to be killed under communism.
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So you're arguing that it's simply a matter of degree? Fact remains, masses of people have died due to religion. Is all religion evil and a blight?

No, you're simple-minded to evaluate communism as monolithic.
 
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digsbe said:
Communism as a political philosophy is not violent. Communism requires that much power be given to the government. It is true that many communist leaders have murdered and killed many many people. However, I do not think this was the result of the communist philosophy. Correlation does not equal causation. I think the cause was the evils of the leaders themselves. I think they adopted communism because they wanted power, and communism requires that much power be given to the government. The murders and killings were done to take power or to remain in control of power. Communism is a political philosophy, and as such is not "bad" or "evil." I believe that Mao was an evil mass murderer, however Mao was the killer and not communism.
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I've heard variations of this card, as well.

Would you support, say, a growing movement of communism in America? What say the economy drives desperate people to consider this theory?

You say communism isn't the killer and in practical terms you're correct. But what connected these murderers? What did Stalin, Mao, Lenin, and Stalin have in common? Communism.

Communism doesn't work and in the resistance and oppression caused by people who are devout in communism, people die. Can't see this? I can.
 
Wake said:
I've heard variations of this card, as well.

Would you support, say, a growing movement of communism in America? What say the economy drives desperate people to consider this theory?

You say communism isn't the killer and in practical terms you're correct. But what connected these murderers? What did Stalin, Mao, Lenin, and Stalin have in common? Communism.

Communism doesn't work and in the resistance and oppression caused by people who are devout in communism, people die. Can't see this? I can.
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To that, I reply:

Mr. Invisible said:
Well, IMO, a true Communist system has never existed because all the ones that we have seen thus far have not helped the working class at all, rather they switched economic power with political power and the life of the worker was made much worse.
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Mr. Invisible said:
Well, IMO, a true Communist system has never existed because all the ones that we have seen thus far have not helped the working class at all, rather they switched economic power with political power and the life of the worker was made much worse.
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Yet they still exist, they keep trying, they're still defended, they're still supported.

StillBallin75 said:
So you're arguing that it's simply a matter of degree? Fact remains, masses of people have died due to religion. Is all religion evil and a blight?

No, you're simple-minded to evaluate communism as monolithic.
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Pretty much every race has been racist or has had slaves or has warred with others.

You're running so very far to the other extreme to make some vague defense of communism.
 
digsbe said:
I think they adopted communism because they wanted power, and communism requires that much power be given to the government.
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I agree with your post, but you forget one important thing.

No communist leader of that era rose to power without the help of the people of that nation. Chairman Mao gain the support of the farmers who were stuck in poverty and were being exploited by the foreign business interests of the time.

This was one reason why the communist revolts in Europe, Russia, and China occurred at all - it was because they found communism as a way to throw off the capitalist tyrannies that kept them downtrodden.

To be fair, neither extreme is very beneficial for the good of all. Also, just because there have been communist dictators people shouldn't ignore the good that social democracy has done for the world despite the two terms being mistaken for one another.
 
Ideas don't kill people, people kill people.
 
Wake said:
I've been reading a lot of books about communism and Map Tse-Tung, recently. Apparently this communist was a very evil man who killed millions... in peacetime.

My question is if communism spawns such violent murderers, consistently, then why is it not condemned? Any wise person understands communism has killed far more people than Naziism ever did. Furthermore, I don't subscribe to the lie that "communism never existed", that lie will not be tolerated. Because of this ideology, millions upon millions have died; but come now, communists weren't believers in communism---obviously they only thought they believed in communism.

They say knowledge is power. Is this true? Though I'm learning about the scourge of communism and the people who clung to the belief, undoubtedly there will be naive members who will claim communism is A-OK, that their belief is more valid than an older Chinese author or two who actually lived through such horror. Undoubtedly, I know there are ex-Soviets et al who will tell you the folly of following communism; but don't believe the people who actually experienced communism, because they, of course, must be wrong.

Communism is a poisonous ideology responsible for the death of millions.

Mao Tse-Tung was one such communist; his wicked acts are legion. He is but one.

Do you think communism is detrimental and Mao an evil mass-murderer?
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This is not one of your better posts, Wake.

The point you are missing when it comes to the death toll of communist ideaology is that the ideology itself is not inherently evil, nor are the people, or even it's leaders really. I agree it's a ultimately flawed idea from an economic, political and societal standpoint. But the point is this; radical and revolutionary politics tend to take a hardline stance, no matter where they are. Violence comes from the far right and the far left. The common thread it that it's adherents have crossed the line from tolerance of others views and ideas (at least to the point where they shouldn't be hurt for them), they have crossed the line to intolerance of others ideas; ideas in opposition or that are not sufficiently "revolutionary" enough are to be disposed of, in one way or another.

When radicalism gets to the point of saying, "Our ideas are so right, that it is acceptable to break some eggs to make our omelet", that's when the death toll starts to pile up. That is the danger of any type of radical/revolutionary politics. Look what seems to be happening in Norway right now.

Also, a great movie of the mob mentality of radical communist politics is the Japanese film Red Faction. Check it out.
 
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