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Do The Rich Need Saving?

Do The Rich Need Saving?


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Kali

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Many folks around here seem so very concerned about the rich folks, their money and the taxes they have to pay.

So I ask the folks here do we really need to be worried about rich folks having to pay too much tax? Are you gonna sleep less at night worrying about tax burdens of the rich?

For the rich folks here at DP? Sorry if I offend you.
 
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I am not rich and I do not support a progressive tax system. This class envy/class warfare is despicable.
 
I am not rich and I do not support a progressive tax system.
What does progressive tax system have to do with anything in this poll? Does a progressive tax system supposed to save the rich? No....

This class envy/class warfare is despicable.
Oh great here we go... If someones taxes are higher than the others the right found a new word for it its called "class war" now apparently... Just like with the rich the right now uses the word "job creators" now... Sooo lame...
 
If by "saving" you mean "having all their **** seized by the proletariat," then yes, they do. That probably wasn't what you meant, though...
 
So I ask the folks here do we really need to be worried about rich folks having to pay too much tax? Are you gonna sleep less at night worrying about tax burdens of the rich?

No. They are utterly useless as a factor in the economy, yet they suck off almost the entire productivity gains of the last 30 years, and don't re-invest it in the economy. This was glaringly obvious in the last Depression, and ditto this one.

I'll also add that there are many wealthy people who aren't opposed to getting their taxes raised anyway, as that would have zero effect on their lifestyles and future.

Of course, you wouldn't know that if you only listen to all the teeth gnashing, whining, and hair pulling in the fever swamps of the internet, mostly from morons who will never be wealthy anyway, they're just stupid and really think they have a shot at it because they see a lot of infomercials late at night when they've had a few beers, telling them all about getting vast wealth from real estate with no money down, and many other ludicrous ways to gamble away their life savings, usually for around $39.95.

Oh, and that's plus shipping. And a 30 day, money back guarantee.

No stats on how many people get rich in 30 days on these plans, though, so somehow I doubt they give out many refunds. Fabulous 'cash flows' are routinely advertised, and never less than five figures a week.

As for me, I just go to Reno or Vegas once a year. It's more fun, and the returns are usually higher than the average returns the 'professionals' are getting every year.
 
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Allow one unfair thing to happen to someone else and the next unfair thing may happen to you. I would not call for them to be taxed any more than I because I would not want to be unfairly taxed either.
 
No. They are utterly useless as a factor in the economy, yet they suck off almost the entire productivity gains of the last 30 years, and don't re-invest it in the economy. This was glaringly obvious in the last Depression, and ditto this one.

I'll also add that there are many wealthy people who aren't opposed to getting their taxes raised anyway, as that would have zero effect on their lifestyles and future.

Of course, you wouldn't know that if you only listen to all the teeth gnashing, whining, and hair pulling in the fever swamps of the internet, mostly from morons who will never be wealthy anyway, they're just stupid and really think they have a shot at it because they see a lot of infomercials late at night when they've had a few beers, telling them all about getting vast wealth from real estate with no money down, and many other ludicrous ways to gamble away their life savings, usually for around $39.95.

As for me, I just go to Reno or Vegas once a year. It's more fun, and the returns are usually higher than the average returns the 'professionals' are getting every year.

I guess we should tell people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that they're utterly worthless. Shame on them, being a waste on society with their multi-billion dollar corporations, milions of employees, and incredibly useful products. How dare they be such awful wastes of space!
 
I am not rich and I do not support a progressive tax system. This class envy/class warfare is despicable.

James, you've been better in recent months, but envy is not required to support a progressive tax. I don't see lines of wealthy wanting to trade palces with the poor. And I get along just fine where I'm at. Cliaming eveyone who disagrees with your position is envious is a form of classwarfare btw. ;)
 
I support actual enforcement of the tax code, which we are currently not seeing. If GE can avoid paying taxes for two years in a row, then there is a serious problem in the system.

The rich designed the tax code and its myriad of loopholes. The progressive tax scheme does not need to be changed. In fact, any tax code we introduce or alter will still have little impact if the loopholes are not closed.

I am annoyed with the rich, not because they are rich, but because the system was designed to give them the most bailouts and tax evasions - this, while people in the lower classes are going bankrupt daily from the recession.

Where is my bail out? Why do small businesses not get bail outs? Why is it just the tycoons of wall street - the very people who put us into this mess in the first place?

I'm a fair person, but I do blame the plutocrats and aristocrats for what is going on with the economy. We can blame social security, the military, etc. for budgetary problems, but those are just present concerns. We could have sustained this system if the system fairly assessed tax collections from the start, which it never has.
 
I guess we should tell people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that they're utterly worthless. Shame on them, being a waste on society with their multi-billion dollar corporations, milions of employees, and incredibly useful products. How dare they be such awful wastes of space!

Yes. I agree. They just stole a lot of stuff from AT&T's government funded research contract for computing, and went on from there. They're just pirates who mostly buy or steal developments from other people. Gates didn't even have an OS when he sold one to IBM.

So, how does Gates being worth $40 billion from a monopoly help the economy, exactly?
 
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Cliaming eveyone who disagrees with your position is envious is a form of classwarfare btw.

lolz .. that was funny. And true.
 
What exactly do the wealthy and powerful need to be saved from? If their incomes were taxed 100%, they'd still have enough possessions to live like kings for the rest of their lives. Or, alternately, if they forfeited all their possessions, they'd still have inordinate income. Oh no! Maybe the wealthiest among us will have to live as if they were middle class... what a terrible curse! And all they'll have to comfort themselves with while they live our crappy lives will be the knowledge that their sacrifice meant that no more children will starve, be homeless, go without an education, or die from curable illnesses or treatable injuries... Damn, that would suck.
 
Nope, nobody needs saving. This ridiculous envy is absurd. If you don't like your lot in life, work harder to improve it. Stop acting like someone else has to pay your way.
 
Yes. I agree. They just stole a lot of stuff from AT&T's government funded research contract for computing, and went on from there. They're just pirates who mostly buy or steal developments from other people. Gates didn't even have an OS when he sold one to IBM.

So, how does Gates being worth $40 billion from a monopoly help the economy, exactly?

His company, which is why he is rich, benefits the economy. I'm pretty sure that's obvious (and was also mentioned in my post).
 
Nope, nobody needs saving. This ridiculous envy is absurd. If you don't like your lot in life, work harder to improve it. Stop acting like someone else has to pay your way.

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What qualifies as rich? And what does it mean to save someone?
 
I think it's deplorable that those who couldn't expect those who could to pay for thier xbox's big screen tvs and thier designer clothes.
 
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That's the definition of envy. Wanting what someone else has. Just because someone has more than you doesn't entitle you to take it from them. Earn it yourself.
 
That's the definition of envy. Wanting what someone else has. Just because someone has more than you doesn't entitle you to take it from them. Earn it yourself.

Envy: A feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck
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You see the feelings of unfairness are not aroused (aroused is the key word here, i.e. caused) by someone else's possession, qualities or luck ... rather they are aroused by suffering and by a system that allows unfairness

So as you can see, those who seek to reduce suffering are not truly envious of those who amass more wealth than they know what to do with, instead, they just want peoples lives to be filled with less suffering and in order to do this, the system needs to be fair. It has nothing to do with envy.
 
You see the feelings of unfairness are not aroused (aroused is the key word here, i.e. caused) by someone else's possession, qualities or luck ... rather they are aroused by suffering and by a system that allows unfairness

So as you can see, those who seek to reduce suffering are not truly envious of those who amass more wealth than they know what to do with, instead, they just want peoples lives to be filled with less suffering and in order to do this, the system needs to be fair. It has nothing to do with envy.

There's no suffering allowed by the system, everyone plays by the same rules. Don't like being poor? Get an education, get a job, be good at it, get promoted, get paid lots of money. It's not my fault many people are too stupid, ignorant or foolish to follow the procedure. That's not the fault of the system, it's the fault of the people who shoot themselves in the foot, then look at someone else who didn't and scream "GIMME!"
 
That's the definition of envy. Wanting what someone else has. Just because someone has more than you doesn't entitle you to take it from them. Earn it yourself.

No one is doing that. Seriously, that framework is inaccurate.
 
No one is doing that. Seriously, that framework is inaccurate.

No one? Then I guess the 12 hours a day I typically spend at work and the paycheck I bring home every other week must be an illusion. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
No one? Then I guess the 12 hours a day I typically spend at work and the paycheck I bring home every other week must be an illusion. Thanks for enlightening me.

What does you getting a pay check have to do with what I said? No one here is arguing that they want your paycheck, or that they want the rich to give their stuff to them. And very few are actually envious. It is quite possible to believe in a progressive tax wihtout being envious. I don't begruge those who pay less than I do. Nor do I care much about those who make more. I think this is common.
 
What does you getting a pay check have to do with what I said? No one here is arguing that they want your paycheck, or that they want the rich to give their stuff to them. And very few are actually envious. It is quite possible to believe in a progressive tax wihtout being envious. I don't begruge those who pay less than I do. Nor do I care much about those who make more. I think this is common.

No, they're saying "those guys over there who make more ought to pay more of the money they worked for, so that I can get things that I didn't work for." That's exactly what I said. Trying to soak the "rich", and let's be honest, the majority of those people are not rich, they are small business owners whose business income is a part of their personal income tax, have no obligation to anyone else who hasn't gotten off their butts to earn the money they get.
 
No, they're saying "those guys over there who make more ought to pay more of the money they worked for, so that I can get things that I didn't work for." That's exactly what I said. Trying to soak the "rich", and let's be honest, the majority of those people are not rich, they are small business owners whose business income is a part of their personal income tax, have no obligation to anyone else who hasn't gotten off their butts to earn the money they get.

No one is saying that. In a pr\ogressive tax system the thinking is those who benefit more, pay more. It has nothing to with what you're saying.
 
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