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Do The Rich Need Saving?

Do The Rich Need Saving?


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you cannot prove that the rich get or gain the MOST FROM GOVERNMENT.

They benefit disproportionately from our system of government.

Obama already destroyed your argument. He said the rich have to sacrifice by paying more taxes. that is an admission that cutting government spending does not involve a sacrifice by the rich -only those whose sacrifice does not involve paying more taxes

And they should if they want their wealth to be worth anything in the future. BTW paying taxes is not the only way people are hurting. You are being a big cry baby.
 
I want some proof that 47% of the country-cannot pay any more taxes. I want proof that the 60% who use more government than they pay for cannot pay anymore. If you have a color tv or a cell phone you can pay more

and if you truly cannot pay anymore you have zero credibility demanding others should pay even more taxes


I have absolutely no interest in your opinions Turtledude. If you have documentation to refute it, then do it.
 
stop the lying. the top 5% pay more federal income taxes than the rest of the country

Yes.. In that sense yes.. And they should!!! They make the most money!! Why shouldn't they pay the most?? You earn the most you pay the most in taxes.. What is wrong with that??

Are they pay the most in taxes as far as percentage of income?? No they are not.. They haven't been for a very long time..

Please explain why the top 5% that are making the largest of largest wages hundreds of millions a year if not more, shouldn't pay the most in taxes?? When you control the largest portion of the nations wealth, you should be paying most of the taxes.. What is wrong with that??
 
They benefit disproportionately from our system of government.



And they should if they want their wealth to be worth anything in the future. BTW paying taxes is not the only way people are hurting. You are being a big cry baby.

More stuff you are making up

the rich did even better when there was no income tax. the current system is mainly leftist in its makeup

here is another slap in your silly claims


Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households
 
My old man and some his buddies do a secret Santa thing for the poor in this neck of the woods. And you know what we have donated brand spakin' new TVs. Maybe the kids can watch Sesame Street or something like that.



A cell phone can come in handy to call 911 or get a call from a potential employer.



Apparently you can't be poor if you can pick up a used TV at goodwill for $5 bucks. :sun
 
Yes.. In that sense yes.. And they should!!! They make the most money!! Why shouldn't they pay the most?? You earn the most you pay the most in taxes.. What is wrong with that??

Are they pay the most in taxes as far as percentage of income?? No they are not.. They haven't been for a very long time..

Please explain why the top 5% that are making the largest of largest wages hundreds of millions a year if not more, shouldn't pay the most in taxes?? When you control the largest portion of the nations wealth, you should be paying most of the taxes.. What is wrong with that??


stop the made up nonsense-taxes are based on income NOT WEALTH and the top one percent have the greatest gap between their share of the income (22%) and their share of the income tax burden (almost 40%)

here is the proof includes all federal taxes

Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates for All Households
 
Evolution of the U.S. tax rates through history:

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Tax Burden Between Wealthy And Middle Class Is Narrower Than At Any Time In Modern History | ThinkProgress
 
Turtle look at it this way..

You and I live in a nation together.. A nation of 2 people and 2 tax payers..

You make $200,000.00 a year.. At 10% tax rate you pay $20,000 dollars in taxes..

I make $20,000 a year and at 10% tax rate I would pay $2,000 dollars in taxes..

Do you see anything wrong with that??

You make more and you are paying a lot more in taxes.. In fact 98% of the taxes collected or there abouts is paid by you.. What is wrong with that?? You conservatives need to get it out of your head to worry about how much someone pays in taxes.. That numbers is irrelevent.. The only number that matters is percentage of income.. In my example here we are both paying 10% so we are both paying our fair share of the taxes.. Can you say that about the rich?? Not on your life and if you try your an idiot.. The rich be it people or companies have long been looking for ways to NOT pay their fair share of taxes.. Today the rich pay the least percentage to income when it comes to taxes.. As do companies.. GE paying 0 is simply a crime..

Now you need to rethink your views here because your looking at things all wrong.. Remember.. How much the rich pays is irrelevent.. They make the most so they damn well better pay the most.. What matters is what percentage to their income did they pay in taxes.. If the rich are paying, we will say 32% and everyone else is paying 35%, then the rich are paying the least in taxes by percentage..
 
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They benefit more ?? you like to include our infrastructure in your formula, but never get around to things like jails, welfare, unemployment, or our entire criminal court system, which is used overwhelmingly by those paying little or no federal income taxes.

Our DOD is equally protective of every person of the USA, what a person has to lose, has nothing to do with the DOD … but with that persons ability to gain assets throughout his life, so that argument is really a mute point. Our road systems is used by everyone, and if the rich use it more, then in turn pay more for it in the taxes that is paid by fuel. I've seen you use this before, but a good example of what I'm saying, is do you pay in fuel taxes, what walmart does to ship there products to stores across the country? It's my opinion that the rich pay for much more then they use, and until you can come up with realistic numbers to prove other wise .. you have nothing.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your poor comparison. Go figure. :coffeepap
 
Uh I have done rather well, I am not the one blaming others for my lot in life

You seem to do a lot blaming on this forum. Did you catch Stewart's GOP: Special victims unit tonight? ;)
 
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that is incorrect and the rich are still paying far more than the others-especially in real dollars

I told you, your opinion means jack **** to me! :sun

They pay more because they make more, while they still pay far less percentage wise then they did historically.
 
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Turtle look at it this way..

You and I live in a nation together.. A nation of 2 people and 2 tax payers..

You make $200,000.00 a year.. At 10% tax rate you pay $20,000 dollars in taxes..

I make $20,000 a year and at 10% tax rate I would pay $2,000 dollars in taxes..

Do you see anything wrong with that??

You make more and you are paying a lot more in taxes.. In fact 98% of the taxes collected or there abouts is paid by you.. What is wrong with that?? You conservatives need to get it out of your head to worry about how much someone pays in taxes.. That numbers is irrelevent.. The only number that matters is percentage of income.. In my example here we are both paying 10% so we are both paying our fair share of the taxes.. Can you say that about the rich?? Not on your life and if you try your an idiot.. The rich be it people or companies have long been looking for ways to NOT pay their fair share of taxes.. Today the rich pay the least percentage to income when it comes to taxes.. As do companies.. GE paying 0 is simply a crime..

Now you need to think your views here because your looking at things all wrong.. Remember.. How much the rich pays is irrelevent.. They make the most so they damn well better pay the most.. What matters is what percentage to their income did they pay in taxes.. If the rich are paying, we will say 32% and everyone else is paying 35%, then the rich are paying the least in taxes by percentage..

yeah I see plenty wrong with me paying ten times more than you do unless I actually get ten times the benefits

I see far more wrong with 10 of you saying I should pay higher and higher rates while you all pay nothing more

the rich pay higher percentages

why don't you tax hikers just cut the lies

the only honest answer you can have is saying the poor and middle class can outvote the rich and that is why we have a progressive tax system. Your pathetic attempts to justify it based on either lies or idiotic assumptions that say

1) the rich really don't deserve their wealth

2) the rich cheated others to become rich

3) the government gives the rich far more

why don't you just admit what we all know-you believe in the mantra of FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY

why are you so ashamed to admit what truly is behind your position. trying to demonize the rich or whining about claims that the rich and the poor pay the same tax rates are nothing more than a dishonest facade hiding what truly motivates you
 
I told you, your opinion means jack **** to me! :sun

They pay more because they make more, while they still pay far less percentage wise historically.

well the good news is after all the nonsense is over, I am still wealthy and you are still upset that I am apparently. The difference is I don't lie
 
You seem to do a lot blaming on this forum. Did you catch Stewart's GOP: Special victims unit tonight? ;)

Wrong, I am not the one who blames others for being a failure. I have done quite well and I laugh at those who are mad about that fact
 
well the good news is after all the nonsense is over, I am still wealthy and you are still upset that I am apparently. The difference is I don't lie

Again, just your opinion and we all know what that is worth! If you could have proved your point, you would have done so. :sun
 
Again, just your opinion and we all know what that is worth! If you could have proved your point, you would have done so. :sun

anything that interferes with your bash the rich nonsense you will reject no matter how strong the proof

I am supplying facts to a faith based dogmatic
 
that is incorrect and the rich are still paying far more than the others-especially in real dollars

So?? So what?? They make the most?? So why shouldn't they pay the most?? Do you have issues with them paying their fair share?? Have you been brainwashed in to believing that you actually have a point there??

How much they pay is irrelevent!! If they earn 98% of all the money paid in wages in this nation then they better damn will pay 98% of all the taxes.. That is how it should be?? Why are you stupid enough to think there is a problem there??

The only thing that matters is what percentage of their income do they pay in taxes.. That is the only thing that matters and the rich pay the least and have for a long time.. So get over it!! Your are simply showing your arrogance and ignornace..

If you make the most money, then you pay the most taxes.. You need to explain to me and the rest of us what is wrong with that?? Why shouldn't the people that make the most pay the most in taxes?? Well?? Why Turtle??

And then you can explain to me why it is only conservatives that have these math issues?? The simple concept that earning the most income and paying the most taxes somehow escapes you?? Why?? The rich better damn well pay the most in taxes!! They better pay the most until the end of time!!
 
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Wrong, I am not the one who blames others for being a failure. I have done quite well and I laugh at those who are mad about that fact

No one is mad about your story of being rich, whether you are or not. What the working class is mad about is paying a higher percentage of total taxes to enable your tax breaks and wasteful government spending.

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anything that interferes with your bash the rich nonsense you will reject no matter how strong the proof

I am supplying facts to a faith based dogmatic

Talking to yourself again?? You have supplied no facts.. You have simply missed the point..
 
Yet, remarkably, taxes on the top have plummeted. >From the 1940s until 1980, the top tax income tax rate on the highest earners in America was at least 70 percent. In the 1950s, it was 91 percent. Now it's 35 percent.


The top rate was always a red herring argument, since nobody ever paid it, and mostof the income of the top brackets was from capital gains and dividends, which got an automatic 50% deduction on the tax schedules. For example, on $100 in capital gains only $50 was counted as taxable, and that is after a ton of other deductions in the tax code that nobody else was rich enough to qualify for and even customized laws passed especially for a particular corporation. Anyone who has read the tax schedules would know this, and for those who don't just find them somewhere and see for yourself.

If the rich were taxed at the same rates they were half a century ago, they'd be paying in over $350 billion more this year alone, which translates into trillions over the next decade. That's enough to accomplish everything the nation needs while also reducing future deficits.

And that is not even counting the deferred tax shelters overseas they now have.

If we also cut what we don't need (corporate welfare and bloated defense), taxes could be reduced for everyone earning under $80,000, too. And with a single payer health-care system - Medicare for all - instead of a gaggle of for-profit providers, the nation could save billions more."

Yes.

And, you will find that the IRS data gets particularly murky and extremely vague when reporting data on the upper brackets, especially the top ones, and excludes data altogether on the top brackets, which is why the IRS is useless as a source of data on the upper brackets, but then that's it's appeal to many of those who like to cite the IRS as a source; they can make up whatever they want from it.

I won't even get into the claim of an increase of $280; the government has always distorted the inflation rates, and their data as reflected in the CPI Index is outrageously false after the 1995 'reforms' that introduced 'hedonics adjustments'. Both parties get propaganda value from the 'new adjustments', as in not having to admit this is a depression, not a recession, and there was no 'recovery', but that is a thread all it's own.
 
So?? So what?? They make the most?? So why shouldn't they pay the most?? Do you have issues with them paying their fair share?? Have you been brainwashed in to believing that you actually have a point there??

How much they pay is irrelevent!! If they earn 98% of all the money paid in wages in this nation then they better damn will pay 98% of all the taxes.. That is how it should be?? Why are you stupid enough to think there is a problem there??

The only thing that matters is what percentage of their income do they pay in taxes.. That is the only thing that matters and the rich pay the least and have for a long time.. So get over it!! Your are simply showing your arrogance and ignornace..

If you make the most money, then you pay the most taxes.. You need to explain to me and the rest of us what is wrong with that?? Why shouldn't the people that make the most pay the most in taxes?? Well?? Why Turtle??

And then you can explain to me why it is only conservatives that have these math issues?? The simple concept that earning the most income and paying the most taxes somehow escapes you?? Why?? The rich better damn well pay the most in taxes!! They better pay the most until the end of time!!

why should ability to pay trump use? maybe if those who cannot "afford" more taxes had to pay more every time they voted for big spending dems they might figure out not to vote for those pimps
 
Talking to yourself again?? You have supplied no facts.. You have simply missed the point..


that a funny claim given several of you make the same nonsensical points at me over and over

you are emotobabbling nonsense-I supplied facts that counter your faith based claims
 
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