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Do You Want Higher Taxes?

sangha said:
Isn't it great how, even with their far superior skills, the white capitalists require the subsidization of massive bailouts to stay in business?
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Isn't it great that running out business when you can't handle the market is part of the capitalist model.

Isn't it also great that a big part of why those companies that were just bailed out is due to the government?
 
Henrin said:
Isn't it great that running out business when you can't handle the market is part of the capitalist model.

Isn't it also great that a big part of why those companies that were just bailed out is due to the government?
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Umm, the companies that were bailed out didn't go out of business. The capitalist model requires socialism for wealthy parasites.
 
sangha said:
Umm, the companies that were bailed out didn't go out of business. The capitalist model requires socialism for wealthy parasites.
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Did you just fail on purpose?

Wealthy parasites aren't a product of capitalism, but a product of your line of thinking. You just don't want to accept that part of it.
 
Henrin said:
Did you just fail on purpose?

Wealthy parasites aren't a product of capitalism, but a product of your line of thinking. You just don't want to accept that part of it.
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Sure they are. The wealthy parasites are all capitalists. Socialists are as pure as the driven snow. Rightwingers just can't handle this truth
 
SPC said:
OK. I just had to do this since Obama seems to think that 80% of Americans want higher taxes. Well......let's find out.:lamo
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i wouldn't die if my taxes were raised. no one WANTS higher taxes, some of us just realize it's a necessary evil at this point.
 
sangha said:
Sure they are. The wealthy parasites are all capitalists. Socialists are as pure as the driven snow. Rightwingers just can't handle this truth
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The wealthy parasites you talk about want to avoid the realities of the market by the use of the government and therefore are NOT capitalist.
 
sangha said:
Umm, the companies that were bailed out didn't go out of business. The capitalist model requires socialism for wealthy parasites.
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So capitalism aka the free market requires government intervention? I must have missed that part in The Wealth of Nations...
 
Helvidius said:
So capitalism aka the free market requires government intervention? I must have missed that part in The Wealth of Nations...
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It looks that way. If you like, you can focus on the theory, to the exclusion of what's going on in the real world. I prefer to look at all the evidence.

That's just how I am
 
sangha said:
It looks that way. If you like, you can focus on the theory, to the exclusion of what's going on in the real world. I prefer to look at all the evidence.

That's just how I am
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Capitalism does not change. The US may be moving away from capitalism, but that doesn't mean capitalism is different.
 
No.
Both lower taxes, and lower spending.

Of course, I mean for everyone, being ethical and all.
 
Helvidius said:
Capitalism does not change. The US may be moving away from capitalism, but that doesn't mean capitalism is different.
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Capitalism, as the rightwing imagines it, is nothing but a myth that has never existed in the real world.
 
Thunder said:
there is more than one form of Capitalism, just as there is more than one form of Communism & Socialism.
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Have you found one that allows for the bailout and partial ownership of corporations?
 
Helvidius said:
Have you found one that allows for the bailout and partial ownership of corporations?
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Yes. All of them

Can you name a capitalist nation that does not allow for bailouts and partial ownership of corporations by the govt?

Even our constitution allowed the formation of the Post Office, which is a private corporation owned by the govt
 
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sangha said:
Capitalism, as the rightwing imagines it, is nothing but a myth that has never existed in the real world.
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I could not agree more .. Capitalism as it is theorized and as capitalists believe it should exit ... has never existed ... also I doubt the supporters of the theory would enjoy living in a world run run by the theory ... what a disaster that would be! We'd end up with one large corporations (or a small handful; i.e. monopolies) producing poor products and poor wages (except for the owners of course). Regulation is a necessary evil (so to speak).
 
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TurtleDude said:
I support the right to contract and the right of a corporation to find suitable quality commodities at the lowest prices possible.
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Corporations don't have rights. Only individuals possess rights.
 
Ikari said:
Corporations don't have rights. Only individuals possess rights.
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While this should be true ... unfortunately Corporations are actually treated as though they were individuals with rights. However, an interesting little known fact is that when the corporation screws up and kills, hurts, etc others, they are not held accountable.
 
None of the isms are pure.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
While this should be true ... unfortunately Corporations are actually treated as though they were individuals with rights. However, an interesting little known fact is that when the corporation screws up and kills, hurts, etc others, they are not held accountable.
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Yes they are, just not in the same way. I would change that.
 
Thunder said:
that's actually not correct. Corporations have many of the same rights as a "person".
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We have granted them several privileges of the individual, particularly for court's sake. However, fundamentally for what a right is; corporations cannot possess them. They are only held by the individual.
 
1Perry said:
Yes they are, just not in the same way. I would change that.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

The conviction rate for an individual accused of murdering another individual is higher than 90%. The conviction rate for a corporation that is responsible for the deaths of many individuals is close to 0%

Killing one is a murder; Killing thousands is a statistic
 
1Perry said:
Yes they are, just not in the same way. I would change that.
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Yes, thank you for clarifying .. there is some accountability, only the consequences are not the same for corporations as they are for people. Thanks for clarifying :) ... I would change that too if I could ... I'm not sure they should have the same rights in the first place .. and if the should ... they certainly should have the same consequences
 
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