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Do You Want Higher Taxes?

Mayor Snorkum said:
Absolutely for higher taxes.

EVERY adult not currently paying taxes should be taxed their fair share, which should be determined by the amount of tax dollars they've recieved in the last year.

We must end "Spending in the Tax Code" by ending the Earned Income Tax Credit. Nor should ANYONE EVER get a refund larger than the taxes paid.

Period.

Then, once the people benefitting most from money stolen from taxpayers are forced to pay their fair share, lets see if their opinion on unlimited government spending changes.
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that terrifies the democrats. if the people who sponge off the system would be forced to at least pay for some of the milk they now suck from the public tit, those politicians who promise them a lifetime of milk and honey that others pay for for will become less popular
 
Buffet and Gates, two of the wealthiest people alive, support the estate tax.

Billionaire Warren Buffett on Wednesday endorsed the estate tax as a check on wealth accumulation, while two senior U.S. senators said they want the tax repealed.

In fact, Buffet admits to the very thing that many here deny, that the gap between the super rich and the middle class is increasing by leaps and bounds. In such a society, there cannot be equal opportunity, nor can the middle class be sustained.

But Buffett, the second-richest man in America after Bill Gates, according to Forbes magazine, said recent tax law changes have tended to benefit people like him.

"Dynastic wealth, the enemy of a meritocracy, is on the rise. Equality of opportunity has been on the decline," Buffett said. "A progressive and meaningful estate tax is needed to curb the movement of a democracy toward plutocracy."

Buffett, the chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway (BRKa.N) questioned any effort to further cut taxes for the wealthy.

"Further shifting of this burden away from the super-rich is not the way to go," he said.

"In a country that prides itself on equality of opportunity, it's becoming anything but that as the gap between the super-rich and the middle class is widening."
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MusicAdventurer said:
I think the figure Kali was talking about had to do with the tax percentiles, i.e., while it appears as though we have a progressive tax system, the loopholes for the wealthy enable them to pay a lower percentiles, not sure if that is what Kali meant or not.
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well that is based either on disinformation or ignorance. What she might be upset about is that some of the very rich have mostly long term capital gains which are taxed at a lower rate than what the rich are taxed on salary income. that means a billionaire might only pay 20% on his income while a highly compensated salaried officer would pay a higher rate on lower income.

it is not a loophole and a middle class person with capital gains is taxed less on those than his salary as well

the group with the highest effective income tax rate are those in the 250K to 5 million -ie the vast vast majority of the top one percent
 
TurtleDude said:
that terrifies the democrats. if the people who sponge off the system would be forced to at least pay for some of the milk they now suck from the public tit, those politicians who promise them a lifetime of milk and honey that others pay for for will become less popular
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Just exactly what politicians and what promises are you talking about?
 
evanescence said:
Buffet and Gates, two of the wealthiest people alive, support the estate tax.

Billionaire Warren Buffett on Wednesday endorsed the estate tax as a check on wealth accumulation, while two senior U.S. senators said they want the tax repealed.

In fact, Buffet admits to the very thing that many here deny, that the gap between the super rich and the middle class is increasing by leaps and bounds. In such a society, there cannot be equal opportunity, nor can the middle class be sustained.
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of course they do

they can afford it

it ingratiates them to people like you and it kills off their competition.

but Your idol Buffett has made sure the government won't get any of his estate

why do libs use Buffett as justification to jack up the taxes on those making 200K or more a year?
 
TurtleDude said:
that terrifies the democrats. if the people who sponge off the system would be forced to at least pay for some of the milk they now suck from the public tit, those politicians who promise them a lifetime of milk and honey that others pay for for will become less popular
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I sense such anger in these posts of yours, why do you think that is?

Your use of vulgar language, highly emotional words, unfounded accusations, popular demoralizing slang, general aggressive attitude etc., it honestly does not make you look very good. I think its that kind of close mindedness that creates problems for our country.

I would really like to know where all this hatred you have is coming from?

I also am wondering why you think anyone who is on welfare must be completely able to work yet does not do so? Has it ever occurred to you that welfare was created for those who have disabilities and or who experience inevitable hardship, who truly need help?

Just a few thoughts.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
I sense such anger in these posts of yours, why do you think that is?

Your use of vulgar language, highly emotional words, unfounded accusations, popular demoralizing slang, general aggressive attitude etc., it honestly does not make you look very good. I think its that kind of close mindedness that creates problems for our country.

I would really like to know where all this hatred you have is coming from?..
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as would lots of other folks here.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
I sense such anger in these posts of yours, why do you think that is?

Your use of vulgar language, highly emotional words, unfounded accusations, popular demoralizing slang, general aggressive attitude etc., it honestly does not make you look very good. I think its that kind of close mindedness that creates problems for our country.

I would really like to know where all this hatred you have is coming from?

I also am wondering why you think anyone who is on welfare must be completely able to work yet does not do so? Has it ever occurred to you that welfare was created for those who have disabilities and or who experience inevitable hardship, who truly need help?

Just a few thoughts.
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The only hatred I constantly see comes from the envious who blame the rich on their failure to achieve.

I think you are clueless about me but then again given how short a time you have been here I can understand your confusion.
 
TurtleDude said:
why do libs use Buffett as justification to jack up the taxes on those making 200K or more a year?
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why do Cons always make the strawman about raising taxes being "class-warfare" against the rich, while they support economic and financial policies that clearly hurt the Middle-class?
 
TurtleDude said:
The only hatred I constantly see comes from the envious who blame the rich on their failure to achieve.

I think you are clueless about me but then again given how short a time you have been here I can understand your confusion.
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Ok, so you have no hatred, that is ok, I was just putting out what I was sensing is all.

However, you dodged my question regarding those on welfare (to use the proper term).
 
:lol::lol:personally I just want Turtledude to pay more taxs so he can finally be right about everyone not loving his beloved teaparty because of envy...cmon, the guys gotta be right once..
 
Thunder said:
why do Cons always make the strawman about raising taxes being "class-warfare" against the rich, while they support economic and financial policies that clearly hurt the Middle-class?
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what hurts the middle class? they pay less taxes than the top 3-5%
 
lpast said:
:lol::lol:personally I just want Turtledude to pay more taxs so he can finally be right about everyone not loving his beloved teaparty because of envy...cmon, the guys gotta be right once..
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Its funny how envy works-it causes people to say really stupid things.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
Ok, so you have no hatred, that is ok, I was just putting out what I was sensing is all.

However, you dodged my question regarding those on welfare (to use the proper term).
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some on welfare cannot help their lot. others are slackers. the people who truly suck are the ones who want to keep them dependent and addicted to the government to keep themselves in elected office
 
evanescence said:
In fact, Buffet admits to the very thing that many here deny, that the gap between the super rich and the middle class is increasing by leaps and bounds. In such a society, there cannot be equal opportunity, nor can the middle class be sustained.
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Who cares if the rich get richer?

That's never been a problem in any civilized society. Rich people have money to spend and that grows the economy and that means jobs grow.

What should scare the living **** out of you is when a bunch of self-proclaimed elitists arrogate to themselves the authority and the power to decide who is making too much money and how they should be punished for being successful.

There's not one word in the Constitution of the United States or in the Declaration of Independence that says people who succeed in life should be punished for their success.

People like Warren Buffet? OF COURSE he wants people punished for making too much money. The ranks of millionaires was swelling every year, until Obama, and that meant there were too many nouveau riche moving into his beloved Laguna Beach and taking up the parking at his favorite restaurants. Every REAL American must question the motives of anyone seekin to punish success. Punishing success is unamerican.
 
MusicAdventurer said:
I also am wondering why you think anyone who is on welfare must be completely able to work yet does not do so? Has it ever occurred to you that welfare was created for those who have disabilities and or who experience inevitable hardship, who truly need help?

Just a few thoughts.
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Ever consider that doesn't make a damn bit of difference what so ever?

why do Cons always make the strawman about raising taxes being "class-warfare" against the rich, while they support economic and financial policies that clearly hurt the Middle-class?
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I guess you fail to realize that liberals support policies that hurt the poor while on face value(these last two words are put here for a reason) are designed to help the poor. D:

Anyway, making taxes that only affect the rich, while having the poor pay no taxes but still getting representation is clearly class warfare.

What was that old saying?

Oh yeah.. In the old days the problem was taxes without representation, today it is representation without taxes.
 
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TurtleDude said:
some on welfare cannot help their lot. others are slackers. the people who truly suck are the ones who want to keep them dependent and addicted to the government to keep themselves in elected office
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got any examples of politicans who actually seek to keep welfare recipients on welfare, and not educated and employed?

sounds like a baseless claim to me
 
lpast said:
:lol::lol:personally I just want Turtledude to pay more taxs so he can finally be right about everyone not loving his beloved teaparty because of envy...cmon, the guys gotta be right once..
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I sure hope you get your promises paid for by everyone else!
 
TurtleDude said:
what hurts the middle class? they pay less taxes than the top 3-5%
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Well, when the upper classes are punished for earning too much money, the upper classes start to cut back on their investments so they don't take the big tax hits.

"Cutting back on investments"....that means spending less and not expanding their businesses...which means they won't be hiring Joe Middle Class's college graduate son this year.

The Mayor says that will hurt the middle classes LOTS.

And that's only one way.
 
Thunder said:
got any examples of politicans who actually seek to keep welfare recipients on welfare, and not educated and employed?

sounds like a baseless claim to me
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Name a politician who claimed that the successful job creating policy of Ronald Reagan, Supply Side Economics, was a "mistake of the past", and you got yourself an idiot teleprompter reader who's trying to keep people on his plantation.
 
TurtleDude said:
some on welfare cannot help their lot. others are slackers. the people who truly suck are the ones who want to keep them dependent and addicted to the government to keep themselves in elected office
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If that were true (and I'm sure in some cases it may be) I would agree with you. However, I hope that at least some of our politicians have our (I am including all parties, democrat, republican, etc.) best interests at heart.

So if it is the politicians that are to blame, why are we not debating regarding how we can change politics to weed out the greedy ones?
 
Thunder said:
jobs moving over-seas, hurts the Middle-class.

anti-Unionization, hurts the Middle-class.
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There is a serious disconnect in your post

Unions make US labor overpriced which is a main reason why jobs go to labor of the same quality that is cheaper. ie overseas.
 
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