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Do You Want Higher Taxes?

1Perry said:
They shouldn't.
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787k is the average first year costs of a heart transplant. This assumes the first attempt works. After that the anti rejection drugs costs run from 1.5k to 2.5k also there are biopsies for life.

Thee figures are from 2008 the latest available.

Oh I guess I should mention heart transplants are the most expensive of the transplants and the most infrequent. The exception is a multiple transplant heart and lung, of course.
 
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TurtleDude said:
of course they do

they can afford it

it ingratiates them to people like you and it kills off their competition.
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Why would Warren Buffet or Bill gates care about impressing "people like me." Your reasoning is deeply flawed.

TurtleDude said:
but Your idol Buffett has made sure the government won't get any of his estate
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Putting the estate under an irrevocable trust can insure that, and yet no family could sell the estate thereafter. The Kennedy's did this, and so do many super wealthy families.

TurtleDude said:
why do libs use Buffett as justification to jack up the taxes on those making 200K or more a year?
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Why do you continually misrepresent my argument? I have NEVER claimed that those making 200k or more should pay more. I advocate the FLAT tax with the super wealthy paying the same as EVERYONE else.

TurtleDude said:
The only hatred I constantly see comes from the envious who blame the rich on their failure to achieve.
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Ad hom. Rather than attacking a posters argument. You, instead, emotionalize this debate with your unfair generalizations. It's a poor tactic.

TurtleDude said:
I think you are clueless about me but then again given how short a time you have been here I can understand your confusion.
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You sound like the incarnate of Limbaugh, and most of your posts are predictably partisan.

TurtleDude said:
what hurts the middle class? they pay less taxes than the top 3-5%
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That really depends on how you define the middle class. We obviously do not agree on this point. Also, tax rates don't tell the entire tale:

Atlanta’s corporate giants pay widely varying tax rates to Uncle Sam under a murky system that allows companies to reap tax benefits from mergers, overseas expansions and other moves.

Some cut their taxes the hard way. Delta Air Lines expects to pay no federal income taxes for several years, it said in regulatory filings, because of tax credits stemming from huge losses in recent years.

But it appears that other highly profitable companies pay federal income taxes significantly below the top corporate income tax rate of 35 percent, regulatory filings indicate. Sometimes, that rate is lower than the typical middle class family. And sometimes, it’s nothing.

Companies don’t disclose what federal income taxes they actually pay, but some tax experts say so-called “current” income tax expenses disclosed in their regulatory filings are a good indicator. Companies also disclose the total of their yearly cash income tax payments to all state, local, foreign and federal jurisdictions where they operate.

A review by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of tax disclosures by five of the largest Atlanta companies showed:

- Coca-Cola’s “current” federal tax expense — not counting “deferred” taxes that might not be paid for decades, if ever — was $470 million last year. That was only 6.5 percent of the $7.2 billion in pre-tax profits that Coca-Cola reported for its U.S. operations in annual disclosures to investors last year. (A Coca-Cola spokesman said the company actually paid federal income taxes “significantly higher” than $470 million last year. It also said its federal tax rate worked out to 38 to 39 percent because its taxable income was lower than the $7.2 billion reported to shareholders, but didn’t release supporting figures.) Story continued. . .
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Mayor Snorkum said:
Who cares if the rich get richer?

That's never been a problem in any civilized society. Rich people have money to spend and that grows the economy and that means jobs grow.

What should scare the living **** out of you is when a bunch of self-proclaimed elitists arrogate to themselves the authority and the power to decide who is making too much money and how they should be punished for being successful.

There's not one word in the Constitution of the United States or in the Declaration of Independence that says people who succeed in life should be punished for their success.

People like Warren Buffet? OF COURSE he wants people punished for making too much money. The ranks of millionaires was swelling every year, until Obama, and that meant there were too many nouveau riche moving into his beloved Laguna Beach and taking up the parking at his favorite restaurants. Every REAL American must question the motives of anyone seekin to punish success. Punishing success is unamerican.
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Nonsense. The trickle down effect, so called, has proven ineffective especially when combined with deregulation. Expecting multi billion dollar corporations to regulate themselves is like a fox guarding the hen house. Who do you think lobbied for deregulation? Wealth is power, and concentrated wealth has never been good for any society.
 
Thunder said:
oh, I'm sure certain transplants costs 300k or more.
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Sure if you have a for profit system like America as opposed to private companies running as a non-profit in Japan.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Sure if you have a for profit system like America as opposed to private companies running as a non-profit in Japan.
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Japan also makes great cars. I have read that all employees involved in the manufacturing process are paid very well, included in the decision making process and many other way that their employees are treated better. Yet somehow here in the U.S. we seem bent on treating employees like crap and making the decision making process only in the hands of a few ... our cars are also crap ... hmmm .. perhaps we should be taking notes
 
MusicAdventurer said:
I sense such anger in these posts of yours, why do you think that is?

Your use of vulgar language, highly emotional words, unfounded accusations, popular demoralizing slang, general aggressive attitude etc., it honestly does not make you look very good. I think its that kind of close mindedness that creates problems for our country.

I would really like to know where all this hatred you have is coming from?

I also am wondering why you think anyone who is on welfare must be completely able to work yet does not do so? Has it ever occurred to you that welfare was created for those who have disabilities and or who experience inevitable hardship, who truly need help?

Just a few thoughts.
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I am impressed with your ability to pick up on this so quickly. Welcome to the forum! :sun
 
MusicAdventurer said:
Japan also makes great cars. I have read that all employees involved in the manufacturing process are paid very well, included in the decision making process and many other way that their employees are treated better. Yet somehow here in the U.S. we seem bent on treating employees like crap and making the decision making process only in the hands of a few ... our cars are also crap ... hmmm .. perhaps we should be taking notes
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The U.S. makes some great cars. They are rated right now among the best.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am a civil trial attorney, among other things.

assistance? secretary? assistant? Huh?
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From your daily practice here at the Court of Debate Politics, and haven't won a case yet! But to be fair, you do number your personal opinions! That's got to count for something, right? :sun
 
1Perry said:
The U.S. makes some great cars. They are rated right now among the best.
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Right now? Like what years? I ask because in my experience and everyone else I know's experience, U.S. cars aren't that great at all.
 
Mayor Snorkum said:
Name a politician who claimed that the successful job creating policy of Ronald Reagan, Supply Side Economics, was a "mistake of the past", and you got yourself an idiot teleprompter reader who's trying to keep people on his plantation.
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Reagan did worse than Carter did when it came to job growth

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JohnWOlin said:
Sure if you have a for profit system like America as opposed to private companies running as a non-profit in Japan.
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Here's a comparison of health care costs in different nations from 2007. It's only gotten worse since then.

And take note of how the more a nation pays, the lower it's life expectancy at birth is.

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Catawba said:
From your daily practice here at the Court of Debate Politics, and haven't won a case yet! But to be fair, you do number your personal opinions! That's got to count for something, right? :sun
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Yeah you and the other welfare socialists are the winners. That is why you do so well without government taking care of you
 
Thunder said:
I am a human being....who believes that all men & women are deserving of certain human rights, political rights, and respect.

do you feel differently?
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...and that believes that busineses should be controlled, have no right to decide on how to run their business and have no control on how much to pay their workers.
 
Henrin said:
...and that believes that busineses should be controlled, have no right to decide on how to run their business and have no control on how much to pay their workers.
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please do not be dishonest about my views. I never said nor suggested anything like this.

The United States of America has a minimum-wage law. Do you consider this to be Communism?
 
Thunder said:
please do not be dishonest about my views. I never said nor suggested anything like this.

The United States of America has a minimum-wage law. Do you consider this to be Communism?
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Communism? Do you understand the term you just used?

No, but I do find it breach in rights and harmful to minorities and the poor.

And you did suggest something just that and you supported it again by supporting the minimum wage law.
 
Henrin said:
Communism? Do you understand the term you just used?

No, but I do find it breach in rights and harmful to minorities and the poor.
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You prefer welfare to paying a living wage for full time work???
 
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Henrin said:
No, but I do find it breach in rights and harmful to minorities and the poor...
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on the contrary, minimum-wage laws PROTECT the poor and minorities.

do you think employers should be able to pay their workers $1.00 an hour for a 40 hour work-week, in the USA?
 
Thunder said:
on the contrary, minimum-wage laws PROTECT the poor and minorities.

do you think employers should be able to pay their workers $1.00 an hour for a 40 hour work-week, in the USA?
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Well thats more than they make in China!

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TurtleDude said:
Yeah you and the other welfare socialists are the winners. That is why you do so well without government taking care of you
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That's right!! For all the whinging about creeping socialism, the truth is, we socialists have already won. We got our socialized roads, water supply, business regulations, medical system, internet, pensions, and on and on, and whenever the greedy and immoral capitalism fails, as it always does, the socialists will be there to bail the fail-meisters of capitalism out.

But no need to worry about the safety of the capitalists. We're always going to want a few around, if only for their comedic value
 
Thunder said:
on the contrary, minimum-wage laws PROTECT the poor and minorities.
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No, it cuts the minorities out of the picture even more than they already are due to a lack of skills that are at the moment far superior in whites. If it wasn't there these people would just get hired at lower rates due to less qualifications instead of just not getting the job.

do you think employers should be able to pay their workers $1.00 an hour for a 40 hour work-week, in the USA?
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What is the value of a ten dollars if it buys what a $1.00 bought before it took place? What I prefer is the market handle this and the people have the ability to work where they get the most money.
 
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Henrin said:
No, it cuts the minorities out of the picture even more than they already are due to putting due to lack of skills that are at the moment far superior in whites. If it wasn't there these people would just get hired at lower rates due to less qualifications instead of just not getting the job.



What is the value of a ten dollars if it buys what a $1.00 bought before it took place?
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Isn't it great how, even with their far superior skills, the white capitalists require the subsidization of massive bailouts to stay in business?
 
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