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Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Libya?

Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Libya?

  • Russian Media are liars

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • USA Media are liars

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Vested interests control media

    Votes: 5 55.6%

  • Media sells wars and a good story is important

    Votes: 6 66.7%

  • Media sells wars and the truth is important

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • It's unpatriotic to support Qaddaffi

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • It's patriotic to cheerlead for a war

    Votes: 2 22.2%

  • War is just good business

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • It's bad for business to show the dead people

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Qaddaffi doesn't provide free housing, education and healthcare etc.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    9
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

Almost all of the above....
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

I wouldn't really trust any country to accurately report international news about themselves. Every country will succumb to the desire to make themselves look better. During the Russia/Georgia conflict a few years ago, US news completely glossed over how the attacking Russian forces were acting to prevent genocide. The US took the position to make Russia look back, and to make ourselves look better. Australian news, however, had no personal interest in the story, and so reported it much more objectively. I mention Australian news specifically as I was in Australia at the time and had greatest access to their news.

Russian media is no more corrupt than ours, at least not when confronted with the chance to make themselves look good.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

I think it's because Americans like to see themselves as the beacon of all that's good in the world...if we're bombing another country and killing civilians, it must somehow be for the "greater good." Whereas I suspect the Russian media is less likely to view Obama's military actions as fundamentally different than Gaddafi's: maybe neither of them INTEND to kill civilians in this conflict, but they certainly don't have a problem with doing so if it helps them achieve their geopolitical goals.

The US government has killed far more civilians in pursuit of military hegemony than Gaddafi ever has, so I find it a bit silly when people cite Gaddafi's human rights abuses as a reason for NATO to forcibly depose him.
 
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Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

The nations have different goals and directions. The news has to very.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

Allow me to let you in on a big secret: Russia, historically, has not been the biggest fan of NATO.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

Jeezy said:
Allow me to let you in on a big secret: Russia, historically, has not been the biggest fan of NATO.
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Perhaps all those military exercises with Russia as the target have had a minor influence. Even the current "Radar" installations surrounding Russia are intimidating. Probably the reason they don't get rid of their 7-8,000 nuclear weapons. I wouldn't either.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

It's political. Russia sees itself as a superpower, and is doing what they can to exert influence.

As far as the media, some of it is government controlled, and the rest of it hesitates to be too openly critical. Partly because of Putin's authoritarian streak, and partly because that's just how things have always been there.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

rocket88 said:
It's political. Russia sees itself as a superpower, and is doing what they can to exert influence.

As far as the media, some of it is government controlled, and the rest of it hesitates to be too openly critical. Partly because of Putin's authoritarian streak, and partly because that's just how things have always been there.
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That could just as easily be a description of USA MEDIA.
 
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DaveFagan said:
That could just as easily be a description of USA MEDIA.
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I don't know if I'd say Fox hesitates in it's criticism of Obama. Some of it is justified, but they sure don't pull any punches.

Really, it's just a completely different culture. Americans look at George Washington as their paragon of a good leader. Russians tend to look at Ivan the Terrible as the paragon of a leader.
 
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It's interesting to analyze the poll results and conclude that not one respondent believes the media attempts to tell the truth. No one disputes that Qaddaffi provided free education, healthcare, housing, etc. The respondents generally believe that the "media" sells the wars and a good story is important, but the truth is not. I don't understand why the many conservatives on this forum chose not to participate. Maybe more will come and the analysis will need fine tuning.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

I did not know that they were, and I really do not care.
Who is Russia, anyway ?
The EU is the world's largest economy, not us, not China.
And Russia is a "has been", however,
it may not stay that way.
I do not trust our media...it is sensationalism orientated...truth is secondary at best.
 
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DaveFagan said:
It's interesting to analyze the poll results and conclude that not one respondent believes the media attempts to tell the truth. No one disputes that Qaddaffi provided free education, healthcare, housing, etc. The respondents generally believe that the "media" sells the wars and a good story is important, but the truth is not. I don't understand why the many conservatives on this forum chose not to participate. Maybe more will come and the analysis will need fine tuning.
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Maybe the conservatives fear the truth.
And, on top of that, our nation suffers from "pollitis".
Lets try respect instead, which is more difficult....this both to libs and cons.
 
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DaveFagan said:
It's interesting to analyze the poll results and conclude that not one respondent believes the media attempts to tell the truth. No one disputes that Qaddaffi provided free education, healthcare, housing, etc. The respondents generally believe that the "media" sells the wars and a good story is important, but the truth is not. I don't understand why the many conservatives on this forum chose not to participate. Maybe more will come and the analysis will need fine tuning.
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Populist social programs are fine, especially for a less than industrialized country, but what exactly do you feel they excuse?
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

rocket88 said:
I don't know if I'd say Fox hesitates in it's criticism of Obama. Some of it is justified, but they sure don't pull any punches.

Really, it's just a completely different culture. Americans look at George Washington as their paragon of a good leader. Russians tend to look at Ivan the Terrible as the paragon of a leader.
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I wonder if that is fact or just more general misinformation stamped into history?

But, aside from the mass character-assassination that goes into debunking the simple fact that Russia pointed out an alternative and probably true side to a story, of course their opinions will be different. They will be politically and socially rooted.
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

makkam said:
I wonder if that is fact or just more general misinformation stamped into history?

But, aside from the mass character-assassination that goes into debunking the simple fact that Russia pointed out an alternative and probably true side to a story, of course their opinions will be different. They will be politically and socially rooted.
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I'm not sure pointing out the huge issues with press freedom in Russia, after it was claimed they were on par with the US, amounts to character assassination
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

ManofthPeephole said:
I'm not sure pointing out the huge issues with press freedom in Russia, after it was claimed they were on par with the US, amounts to character assassination
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No single respondent to this poll has even suggested that the Media is truthful. What do you suppose causes that fact? Character assassination in this matter would support current Russian media and castigate USA Media just for reality's sake. Remember, you can fool rEpublicans all the time, and all the others most of the time, but you can't make them believe you are telling the truth. Paradox?
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

Is it really so unthinkable that Russian journalists might genuinely disagree with the idea that America is the beacon of all that's good in the world? Or that people who DON'T share that mindset might not view Obama's actions and Gaddafi's actions as that different? Nope, any story critical of the US in any unfriendly country must be the result of repression rather than legitimate differences in worldviews. :roll:
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

DaveFagan said:
No single respondent to this poll has even suggested that the Media is truthful.
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Yet you clearly did suggest the issues with press freedom, in Russia, were on par with the US. Which was the exact comment I was responding to:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...pinions-regarding-libya-2.html#post1059648309



DaveFagan said:
What do you suppose causes that fact?
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for a number of reasons, with the underlying point being that "truth" is a difficult matter to pin down. But regardless of that, the media shouldn't be selling the 'truth". They should report the facts, and allow their listeners to come to their own conclusions

DaveFagan said:
Character assassination in this matter would support current Russian media and castigate USA Media just for reality's sake.
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I'm not following. Clearly Russia has a completely abysmal record on the issue of press freedom, where reporters often get killed for reporting the wrong information. If such has happened in the US, it is extremely rare


DaveFagan said:
Remember, you can fool rEpublicans all the time, and all the others most of the time, but you can't make them believe you are telling the truth. Paradox?
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not really following, mate
 
Re: Why are Russian media opinions so different from US media opinions regarding Liby

Kandahar said:
Nope, any story critical of the US in any unfriendly country must be the result of repression rather than legitimate differences in worldviews. :roll:
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has anyone suggested such? Why not actually follow the discussion before tossing out some giant straw man that has nothing to do with it.

eye roll, indeed
 
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