Self defense: How prepared are you?

hazlnut said:

Threads like this must be what 7th graders bragging about their WoW high score sound like. Everyone posturing and boasting like their accomplished knowledge has any real world application.

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I used to run track and I remember at this one Invitational I was literally the only white guy running the 400m dash. There were 9 heats with 8 guys in each heat. 72 total obviously. All the rest were black (nothing good or bad, just how it was) and we were in Long Beach if any of you know how inner city that can be. Well, they were posturing and calling off their PR's (personal records) and they were all better than mine, well, the 20 or so in my area that i could hear at least. I was so nervous. I was honest and told them mine was 54.2secs (that was in the 8th grade). Anyway... I smoked them in my heat and ran a 53.6 and ended up getting third overall. ALL the guys were lying. Was a good lesson of life that day.

Thunder said:

when did I say I own any firearms?

I dont have the money right now to get a permit. let alone to buy a rifle.

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So this was an attempt to mislead?

Thunder said:

good thing my apartment is full of weapons and I think rifles & shotguns are cool.

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or you are talking about knives, nunchaku, sais, Katanas, bayonets, brass knuckles, Bos, Kamas, broadswords, slingshots, sabers, rapiers, etc?

TurtleDude said:

...or you are talking about knives, nunchaku, sais, Katanas, bayonets, brass knuckles, Bos, Kamas, broadswords, slingshots, sabers, rapiers, etc?

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samurai swords, automatic knives, and I think I have a expandable baton somewhere.

Risky Thicket said:

True story. We once lived near Jacksonville, Florida. My mother-in-law (a good one) had visited and was flying home. We took her to the airport. It was raining buckets. Dropped her off and had just drive a few miles on the interstate back into Jax. New car. It died, just died. I was able to manhandle it over onto the shoulder. That stretch of interstate was fairly desolate for a few miles in both directions.

I'm scrunched down on the floor looking at fuses. Van pulls up behind. All they saw was my wife sitting there. She said, "A guy is coming."

I sat up and the guy stopped for a second and then yelled to the van. More guys came. Unsavory people. They wanted to "help" us. I told them no thanks. Some of the guys walked around to the passenger side of the van. It's like 11 AM on Sunday and raining like mad. One guy said, "No, we are going to help". I said, "I got it."

Someone else said, "We gonna help you anyway" and tried to open my door. It was locked. I opened the boot and took out a S&W 5906. Everyone ran and got back in their van and drove away.

A baseball bat or a 3 iron just wouldn't have had the same effect on the nefarious bastards.

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true, long before Ohio had a CCW my POS ford broke down on Interstate 71 late one night in a decent area but this was the highway. I had to change the tire and in my trunk I carried a "Becker Machax" machete sort of thing that I had been given by Ethan Becker who used to be a co-owner of what is now the Tactical Defense Institute where I often trained

some "good old boys" drove up and asked if I "needed some help" but the driver said-eyeing that big knife on the trunk-hey the dude looks like he's got things under control and drove off

hard to say it was the knife-they didn't see the M4 in 5.56 NATO in the trunk and I am glad it never came to that

now I have a 40 in the trunk and a 9mm in the glovebox but this was years ago when I was still in school

I have a really strong piece of driftwood that has a bunch of slikey pieces jutting out of the bulby end. IT would seriously **** up anybody that i hit with it. If that doesn't work I throw my kid at the attacker and run.

TurtleDude said:

true, long before Ohio had a CCW my POS ford broke down on Interstate 71 late one night in a decent area but this was the highway. I had to change the tire and in my trunk I carried a "Becker Machax" machete sort of thing that I had been given by Ethan Becker who used to be a co-owner of what is now the Tactical Defense Institute where I often trained

some "good old boys" drove up and asked if I "needed some help" but the driver said-eyeing that big knife on the trunk-hey the dude looks like he's got things under control and drove off

hard to say it was the knife-they didn't see the M4 in 5.56 NATO in the trunk and I am glad it never came to that

now I have a 40 in the trunk and a 9mm in the glovebox but this was years ago when I was still in school

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lol why is that story relevent to what you were quoting?

Thunder said:

samurai swords, automatic knives, and I think I have a expandable baton somewhere.

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automatic knives are fun toys. are they legal in NYC. they are in ohio-I often carry high quality ones like MicroTechs and MODs and Benchmades and Kershaws.

Katanas-good

have a Howard Clark, a Mike Bell, one of the Last "Last Legends" competition rigs made and my son has a Korean made sword (his black belt gift from me) that is similar to a Katana. The Bell is made from forged cable-about the strongest blade you can buy. The Clark is 1076 rather than his more popular L6 Bainite. My son's sword is L6-Bainite

Bodhisattva said:

I have a really strong piece of driftwood that has a bunch of slikey pieces jutting out of the bulby end. IT would seriously **** up anybody that i hit with it. If that doesn't work I throw my kid at the attacker and run.

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:rofl :rofl

TurtleDude said:

automatic knives are fun toys. are they legal in NYC...

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sent via USPS...so I have to assume its legal.

Higgins86 said:

lol why is that story relevent to what you were quoting?

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did you read the Risky THicket post I responded to?

Thunder said:

sent via USPS...so I have to assume its legal.

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Oh dear. Interstate sales or transport of automatic knives through common carriers violates the 1950's era "switchblade act"

its a felony I believe though the law is rarely enforced and "knife dealers" routinely get automatic knives in the mail and other common carriers because that idiotic law never really delineated what makes one an authorized dealer. Some think its an FFL qualifies a dealer, others believe its a dealer who sells to police etc


Federal Switchblade Act

Whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Sections 1242 and 1243 of this title shall not apply to -
(1) any common carrier or contract carrier, with respect to any switchblade knife shipped, transported, or delivered for shipment in interstate commerce in the ordinary course of business;
(2) the manufacture, sale, transportation, distribution, possession, or introduction into interstate commerce, of switchblade knives pursuant to contract with the Armed Forces;
(3) the Armed Forces or any member or employee thereof acting in the performance of his duty; or
(4) the possession, and transportation upon his person, of any switchblade knife with a blade three inches or less in length by any individual who has only one arm.


I should note that gun shows in Ohio are full of people openly selling switchblades even though Ohio allows the possession sale is allegedly a misdemeanor

how those dealers get switchblades made in oregon or other completely legal states is interesting.

I suspect the reason why this federal law is almost never enforced is because it can neither survive a rational reason challenge given many knives can be opened quicker and the recent rulings in Heller and McDonald would shoot them down

Risky Thicket said:

True story. We once lived near Jacksonville, Florida. My mother-in-law (a good one) had visited and was flying home. We took her to the airport. It was raining buckets. Dropped her off and had just drive a few miles on the interstate back into Jax. New car. It died, just died. I was able to manhandle it over onto the shoulder. That stretch of interstate was fairly desolate for a few miles in both directions.

I'm scrunched down on the floor looking at fuses. Van pulls up behind. All they saw was my wife sitting there. She said, "A guy is coming."

I sat up and the guy stopped for a second and then yelled to the van. More guys came. Unsavory people. They wanted to "help" us. I told them no thanks. Some of the guys walked around to the passenger side of the van. It's like 11 AM on Sunday and raining like mad. One guy said, "No, we are going to help". I said, "I got it."

Someone else said, "We gonna help you anyway" and tried to open my door. It was locked. I opened the boot and took out a S&W 5906. Everyone ran and got back in their van and drove away.

A baseball bat or a 3 iron just wouldn't have had the same effect on the nefarious bastards.

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I love stories... my friend wa a hot headed multi level black belt (not many of those I imagine) and he had road rage in his blood so we followed some guy around and eventually the guy stops. My friend decideds to get out to beat the guy down and I notice the guys trunk pop a bit. I yelled at Jason to hold, since there is no way he would make it to the guy before the guy got to his trunk. I yelled he has a gun and was ready to bolt if Jason didn't get back in the drivers seat to drive away but he did... just as the guy pulls out the biggest ****ing god damn hand canon that I have ever seen and points it at us as he starts towards us. We drove away and this frickin' gut starts chasing us and at one point leans out his window pointing the gun at us as we played chicken with him to get out of the housing track. No shots fired and not that I ever fought anyway... but I learned to not mess with people unless you have to.

I discovered today that tasers are illegal in NY state, I was bummed.

Bodhisattva said:

I love stories... my friend wa a hot headed multi level black belt (not many of those I imagine) and he had road rage in his blood so we followed some guy around and eventually the guy stops. My friend decideds to get out to beat the guy down and I notice the guys trunk pop a bit. I yelled at Jason to hold, since there is no way he would make it to the guy before the guy got to his trunk. I yelled he has a gun and was ready to bolt if Jason didn't get back in the drivers seat to drive away but he did... just as the guy pulls out the biggest ****ing god damn hand canon that I have ever seen and points it at us as he starts towards us. We drove away and this frickin' gut starts chasing us and at one point leans out his window pointing the gun at us as we played chicken with him to get out of the housing track. No shots fired and not that I ever fought anyway... but I learned to not mess with people unless you have to.

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LOL! I think I know those guys.

Cold Highway said:

I discovered today that tasers are illegal in NY state, I was bummed.

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Get a Mace Gun. It's not a toy. It works very well. It comes with a water cartridge so you can try it. My wife has the pink one. We tried on a windy day and it works. I can speak for the strength of the OC because we didn't use the real one on me. But it sprays or streams is a better word, to 20 feet. Looks like a little M 79. It would be cool to pop 40 mike mike at thugs, but that's definitely illegal. No matter it is an effective mace gun and it has a safety.

It cost less than 100 bucks. It's probably legal in New York.

theangryamerican said:

Read before answering:

This is a “what would you do?” scenario. You’re going about your business in your home. The time is late afternoon or early evening. Suddenly you hear the sound of your front door splintering in. You turn to see two black males, one wearing a white tank top and the other a blue polo shirt, entering your residence through the broken door.

Do you:

1.) Draw or grab a firearm that is immediately next to you
2.) Grab a clubbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Golf club, baseball bat, etc)
3.) Grab a stabbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Kitchen knife, pocket knife, etc)
4.) Run to another room to grab a locked up or hidden firearm and confront the home invaders
5.) Run to another room to grab a stabbing or clubbing weapon and confront the home invaders
6.) Run to another room and attempt to hide while dialing 911
7.) Run out the backdoor of the house and attempt to escape
8.) Freeze like a deer in the headlights
9.) Rush the bad guys barehanded
10.) Other (explain)

I’m just a little curious to see how people would react in a situation where they presume themselves to be safe, yet are confronted by a sudden threat. It’s easy to say, “It’ll never happen to me” but what do we do if it does? The above situation is actually a direct description of a string of home invasions that have been occurring in my neck of the woods.

It always helps to have a plan in place, so vote and then explain, please. Keep in mind, this is strictly YOUR reaction, not what you expect a family member or a pet to do, but what YOU will do.

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In my case it would be 2 of the Lakota Nation's finest teens looking to fund their next meth fix; but yeah I always carry, so I would draw on them.

VanceMack said:

They are black because their parents were black? Its basic genetic stuff man...come on. OH...would you feel more comfortable with the scenario if it were more politically correct? OK...two rich white bankers kick in your door. One is wearing a silk Armani, the other a strong Dior number with a red power tie...

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....both have Rush Limbaugh signature golf clubs at home and vote exclusively Republican from the poll located at their uber-conservative church.

Zyphlin said:

Hard to say.

Is it just me at home or is my wife there too? How close am I to and exit? How close am I to her? How close is she to the exit? Do I see any weapons on the individuals? Have I heard about a string of robberies lately? If I have, where the men reported to be armed. Where am I in the house?

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WTF is all that bull****? Someone kicks in your ****ing door, what's your reflex? Mine is to draw, not start doing research. Holy **** guy.

Zyphlin said:

Scenarios like these on a board such as this are problematic because there are dozens of factors that are just missing. If I'm going to grab a weapon it'd depend on where I was in the house. I don't keep a gun hidden in every room, nor do I walk around my house with one at all times, so if I'm in my bedroom I may grab a gun where as in the kitchen perhaps something sharp where as in the living room something blunt. Or hell, if I'm near the door when they kick it in I may not have the chance to grab anything and have to use my hands.

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See that's exactly why I keep mine on me: I never know where I'll be when trouble comes knocking.

Depending how close I am to a police station or how often I know a cop comes around the neighborhood, I may attempt to escape and value my potential life over my possession while hoping a cop can get there in time, making sure to take down their liscense number if they flee in a vehicle before cops arrive. However if my wife is home that may change this. Is she upstairs in a place that she's unable to escape? Then yeah, I'm definitely fighting. Is she out back on the porch and can get away quick? Then I may go with her.

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Wow......

Zyphlin said:

Do I know these guys are armed with guns? Then I'm likely to grab a firearm if its close and get out of there, or just get out of there, rather than risking our lives...again, unless she's at a place she can't get out.

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Go for the gun and you're gona get shot.

Holy **** guy, you want to 'what if' this thing to death. What if this blade of grass blows this way? What if there is a finch on a bush outside? How many clouds are in the sky? Jesus ****ing Christ on a bicycle stop over thinking it and answer the ****ing question :lol:

Mr. Invisible said:

In the aforementioned situation, I'd draw my gun on them and order the two guys to stop, if they didn't they'd get shot, but I wouldn't shoot to kill.

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Shooting a gun *not* to kill is like driving a car *not* to go anywhere.

Risky Thicket said:

Get a Mace Gun. It's not a toy. It works very well. It comes with a water cartridge so you can try it. My wife has the pink one. We tried on a windy day and it works. I can speak for the strength of the OC because we didn't use the real one on me. But it sprays or streams is a better word, to 20 feet. Looks like a little M 79. It would be cool to pop 40 mike mike at thugs, but that's definitely illegal. No matter it is an effective mace gun and it has a safety.

It cost less than 100 bucks. It's probably legal in New York.

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I got my adult daughter the same exact model. What I love about it is that one knows immediately which way to point it unlike those little tube shaped ones. Yes, I tried the water cartridge too and you can soak someone's face with it. Also it won't pierce a wall where her son is asleep.

Cold Highway said:

I discovered today that tasers are illegal in NY state, I was bummed.

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If I was a mugger I would love a taser or stun gun.

An easy way to take down the target, without setting yourself up for (except in cases where the potential muggie has a pacemaker) a potential murder charge, and the victim is unlikely to fight back

Lord Tammerlain said:

If I was a mugger I would love a taser or stun gun.

An easy way to take down the target, without setting yourself up for (except in cases where the potential muggie has a pacemaker) a potential murder charge, and the victim is unlikely to fight back

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This is true, for me the taser would be the last resort. My pistol would be used primarily just like when I shot the guy who tried to rob me a few years back.

Jerry said:

Shooting a gun *not* to kill is like driving a car *not* to go anywhere.

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I teach people to shoot to STOP

some shots will kill but will not stop

Jerry said:

Shooting a gun *not* to kill is like driving a car *not* to go anywhere.

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the largest part of the human body is the torso. if I had to shoot someone to defend myself, someone else, or my property, I would shoot them in the chest or belly.