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Self defense: How prepared are you?

What would you do?

  • Draw or grab a firearm that is immediately next to you

    Votes: 23 32.4%

  • Grab a clubbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Golf club, baseball bat, etc)

    Votes: 6 8.5%

  • Grab a stabbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Kitchen knife, pocket knife, etc)

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • Run to another room to grab a locked up or hidden firearm and confront the home invaders

    Votes: 11 15.5%

  • Run to another room to grab a stabbing or clubbing weapon and confront the home invaders

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • Run to another room and attempt to hide while dialing 911

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • Run out the backdoor of the house and attempt to escape

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • Freeze like a deer in the headlights

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • Rush the bad guys barehanded

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • Total voters
    71
What if...? said:
I think Heinlein said it best:

"Get a shot off quickly. It upsets them, and gives you time to make the next shot perfect."

That, and if you have to shoot someone, shoot them immediately and shoot them a LOT.

No soliloquizing!
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Speed is nice
accuracy is fatal

attributed to Wyatt Earp
 
TurtleDude said:
black belt years ago TKD
IPSC Master Class pistol Shot
US Shooting Team-Shotgun
All-American (Collegiate and Open) Skeet
several hundred hours in formal defensive pistol instruction as a student and teacher
NRA Distinguished Expert-Rifle, Shotgun
Held the Ohio "pin" record for 27 years
trained in silat for 5 years (knives)
Escrima and Kali another few (sticks)
CCW for 18 years, taught CCW classes for 7
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Nice, so we have 2 out of how many people are on this site.
 
Goshin said:
You might sneak up on me (I doubt it, I'm always very alert), but you aren't going to sneak past my dogs without a lot of barking... and I never go to the door without a pistol.

I can tell when they're barking at people, as opposed to other dogs, cats, squirrels, imaginary squirrels, stray leaves or inanimate objects that might move if they don't bark. :mrgreen:
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Yeah. Both my dogs are big. A catahoula mix and a purebred catahoula pup.

The new dog is a ****ing monster.

They use them to hunt pigs.

She's a damned hunting pitbull!

The old guy never barks unless something is going on, but even the pup has special barks. We can always tell when she's yelling at the stink kitty (skunk) or a stranger as opposed to the crews from the water department that she loves but has to chase their trucks.

I don't know for sure if either would actually DO anything, but they certainly look and sound like they would!
 
Jryan said:
Nice, so we have 2 out of how many people are on this site.
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A half day with me and you will be able to outshoot 90% of the sworn police officers in the USA. My 13 year old son can outshoot most of the cops in Cincinnati. If you wanna worry about people carrying guns you are better off worrying about cops rather than those of us with CCWs. The former chief firearms instructor of the Cincinnati PD noted in testimony that if he went to the police range during qualifications and pulled ten cops out randomly and pit them against a similar random selection at the indoor public target range (TargetWorld, Sharonville, Ohio-a northern suburb of Cincinnati) he would bet a thousand dollars the 10 people from the public target range would

1) outshoot the police officers

2) demonstrate better gun handling skills and safety than the police officers

3) understand the use of force better

Having trained both groups extensively, I agree with him
 
What if...? said:
Yeah. Both my dogs are big. A catahoula mix and a purebred catahoula pup.

The new dog is a ****ing monster.

They use them to hunt pigs.

She's a damned hunting pitbull!

The old guy never barks unless something is going on, but even the pup has special barks. We can always tell when she's yelling at the stink kitty (skunk) or a stranger as opposed to the crews from the water department that she loves but has to chase their trucks.

I don't know for sure if either would actually DO anything, but they certainly look and sound like they would!
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dogs tend to give you about an extra 3-4 minutes of warning. in that time I can put on my vest, get my wife and son in a safe location, and get out the heavy artillery and if its dark get the M4 with the night scope up and hot
 
TurtleDude said:
dogs tend to give you about an extra 3-4 minutes of warning. in that time I can put on my vest, get my wife and son in a safe location, and get out the heavy artillery and if its dark get the M4 with the night scope up and hot
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And if they hurt my dogs they're gonna be in REAL trouble!
 
Jryan said:
True, but I bet their hand to hand combat training will never be on par with their firearm training (if they have any at all in hand to hand). That makes any martial arts expert job easy, disarm for the win.
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Son, you don't know what you're talking about. I say that without meaning it ill, it is just that that statement makes it obvious you lack experience.


I hope you don't find out the hard way. Let me see if I can help you avoid painful misunderstandings...


I trained specifically in gun disarms, then put hundreds of hours into mastering the techniques. One of the things I do when I teach a class is show this skill off, taking guns away from people who don't think I can do it.... but then the next thing I do is teach them how to prevent even an expert from disarming them.

I spent a lot of time training disarms. I am very good at it. Furthermore I have real world experience, and have been on the wrong end of various things that slice, dice or go bang. However, I do not consider disarms a preferred method of defense, .... because it is mighty damn risky in the real world.


Also, assuming someone who packs heat has little or no HTH skills is quite a big assumption.... and you know what happens when you assume, especially when life and death are on the line.

Save the disarms for showing off in the dojo, and for last-ditch desperation IRL. The best defense against a weapon is a better weapon, period.
 
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What if...? said:
And if they hurt my dogs they're gonna be in REAL trouble!
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I have setters. not really aggressive but they both bark like crazy. We live on a hill 300 yards from the road. they bark when someone starts coming up the driveway. If there is a coyote in the horse pasture, they bark but its a different bark


My wife is a red belt and competes in sporting clays, archery and bird hunts. My son got his black belt at 12, does knife patterns, shoots at least 5000 rounds a year out of pistols, hunts around the farm with a 22 or a bow and bird hunts with a shotgun
 
True, I guess you don't want to bet money that your assailant has no practice seeing as how there is the military. Good points.
 
Goshin said:
Son, you don't know what you're talking about.


I hope you don't find out the hard way.


I trained specifically in gun disarms, then put hundreds of hours into mastering the techniques. One of the things I do when I teach a class is show this skill off, taking guns away from people who don't think I can do it.... but then the next thing I do is teach them how to prevent even an expert from disarming them.

I spent a lot of time training disarms. I am very good at it. Furthermore I have real world experience, and have been on the wrong end of various things that slice, dice or go bang. However, I do not consider disarms a preferred method of defense, .... because it is mighty damn risky in the real world.


Also, assuming someone who packs heat has little or no HTH skills is quite a big assumption.... and you know what happens when you assume, especially when life and death are on the line.

Save the disarms for showing off in the dojo, and for last-ditch desperation IRL. The best defense against a weapon is a better weapon, period.
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I am a big fan of the TDI weapons retention knife designed by my friend and trainer John Benner and made by Kabar. Someone tries to disarm you and they are focused on your handgun and you zap them with this knife that you draw with your weakhand

I buy a bunch of these things every year and give them to cop friends

KA-BAR Knives: KABAR TDI Knife, Part Serrated Foliage Green, KA-1477FG
 
Jryan said:
I carry a Chris Reeve Large Sebenza 21 Folding Knife - SOLD - Chris Reeve Knives never to be used as a weapon though. I wouldn't use it if someone walked up and punched me in the face. I only would use a pocket knife as a last ditch effort seeing as how I have no idea how to properly use weapons.
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Chris Reeve-good stuff. Have one of his original South AFrican Hollow handled survival knives and then a US Made version. I had both the 7 and 5 inch "Green Beret" knife but I gave the latter to my nephew before he was part of the counter-offensive in Iraq (Rangers) Now he's GB and he still carries that along with the automatic Masters of Defense Folder I gave him too.
 
Yeah, I love my Sabenza, you should pick one up if you don't already own one. Great tool.
 
Jryan said:
I carry a Chris Reeve Large Sebenza 21 Folding Knife - SOLD - Chris Reeve Knives never to be used as a weapon though. I wouldn't use it if someone walked up and punched me in the face. I only would use a pocket knife as a last ditch effort seeing as how I have no idea how to properly use weapons.
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My favorite defensive folders are the spyderco enduras or the CRKT Kit Carson M16 folders with the LAWK folding lock system. I also like the MOD autos which are legal in Ohio

The TDI knives are great because you basically punch with them and the grip on them is hard to dislodge

I Don't carry fixed blades often since a handgun is almost as easy but I am partial to the classic Gerber MK II (held in a reverse grip) or the incomparable Randall 1 held in a fencing grip. for concealed blade carry the Gryphon boot knife in one of the sheaths designed by my old shooting buddy Mike Sastre (River City knife sheaths) is hard to beat
 
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Jryan said:
I really hope all of those who carry anything know what they are doing.
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I dunno if i know what i'm doing or not....
you'd have to ask the NVA or the VC.. or the Cubans.. or the Panamanians... or the Iraqis... or the Somali's.
4 Combat Action ribbons, 1 bronze star with V,and 2 enemy marksmanship badges ( purple hearts)

the instructors at Gunsite might tell you a thing or 2 about me as well., i'm an alumni of the pistol, carbine, rifle, and edged weapons courses
Marine rifle team 1984,85, and 86..Senior Range SNCO, Edson range, Camp Pendleton, Ca in those same years.
awarded 22 Rifle expert badges, 19 pistol expert badges.

I'm pretty sure I kinda know my way around a gun or 2...but i know some rednecks that have never done anything but shoot deer and beer cans that can shoot circles around me.
 
Jryan said:
Yeah, I love my Sabenza, you should pick one up if you don't already own one. Great tool.
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I spend top dollar on fixed blades-hence I have a drawer full of Randalls and the expensive (though 200 bucks rather than 500) copies of them like the excellent Cold Steel Military Classic and Bark River Model Ones but I don't spend much more than 75 bucks on a folder I carry because I have lost a couple including a really nice Spyderco Delica wit ZDP powdered steel when it got got on a folding seat at an athletic arena and we were in a hurry to beat the crowds. So other than a few top of the line automatics (which I never carry) I don't spend big bucks for folders which tend to be my working knives
 
I'm an outdoors kinda guy though so I really need to carry a folding knife. Gotta think of them as sunglasses and always clip them to the inside of your pocket when finished with your chore and you will never lose them.
 
Jryan said:
I'm an outdoors kinda guy though so I really need to carry a folding knife. Gotta think of them as sunglasses and always clip them to the inside of your pocket when finished with your chore and you will never lose them.
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actually I do and I have.

but being sort of an expert on knives machine made folders tend to work as well as hand made ones.

but that CR you have is nice.
 
I think we sort of stole this thread turtle, then again, the guys at CR deserve a thread steal here and there. They produce excellent knives.
 
Thrilla said:
yes.... I move my coatrack around the house as i roam about the place....it has wheels, a motor, and a steering wheel... and GPS for long trips.
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I thought it would be something like that... sounds like a pretty fresh coat rack.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I thought it would be something like that... sounds like a pretty fresh coat rack.
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Yeah, I need to get me one of those, sounds handy. :lamo


Or I could just keep on doing what I do, which is stick a compact pistol in the pocket of whatever I have on...
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, I need to get me one of those, sounds handy. :lamo


Or I could just keep on doing what I do, which is stick a compact pistol in the pocket of whatever I have on...
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I walk around my house with a bucket of boiling water all day in case I need to throw it at an intruding bad guy...
I am gonna get me one of those coat hangers and instal a stove top so that I stop getting burns...
 
Bodhisattva said:
I walk around my house with a bucket of boiling water all day in case I need to throw it at an intruding bad guy...
I am gonna get me one of those coat hangers and instal a stove top so that I stop getting burns...
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Its better used if you have a castle and can pour boiling water on those storming the walls
 
TurtleDude said:
Its better used if you have a castle and can pour boiling water on those storming the walls
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I lost my castle in the declining market, unfortunately.

... I will dig a ditch around my house and turn on the hose though... make a moat. Put some pointy stick things in the water as well as an electrical current.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I lost my castle in the declining market, unfortunately.

... I will dig a ditch around my house and turn on the hose though... make a moat. Put some pointy stick things in the water as well as an electrical current.
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australian crocodiles

spud might hook you up with an honorable purveyor of such beasts
 
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