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sawyerloggingon said:
I am seeing an obvious correlation here with age and politics. Most young people are lib, older people are cons. I was a lib kid myself so I cut them a lot of slack, it’s the old libs that I have a hard time not being annoyed with.
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I'm breaking the trend, because I'm 21 and I'm a conservative.
 
Camlon said:
I'm breaking the trend, because I'm 21 and I'm a conservative.
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Same as me, although I wasn't very politically aware for a lot of years. I just voted what the church said.
 
BDBoop said:
With age comes wisdom, and now I'm liberal. :)
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I took serious time and pondered my liberal sentiments in my own personal and immediate life. I became dissatisfied with them.
 
Fiddytree said:
I took serious time and pondered my liberal sentiments in my own personal and immediate life. I became dissatisfied with them.
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Yup. I had the opposite happen.
 
Fiddytree said:
I took serious time and pondered my liberal sentiments in my own personal and immediate life. I became dissatisfied with them.
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I used to be a moderate. Then I got older and Bush became President. :mrgreen:
 
BDBoop said:
Same as me, although I wasn't very politically aware for a lot of years. I just voted what the church said.
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Yeah, pretty much, but I did change my beliefs from left to the right when I was 17-18. Before that I just supported what my parents supported.

I'm quite moderate and I despise Bush so moderate liberals in the US have no problems with me. The ones who dislike me are the socialists.
 
I just noticed, you're another Kiwi! :D

I figure politically alert is what actually matters, regardless of leanings.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Sorry for being blunt, but it's THIS belief that flies in the face of reality. Liberalism and conservatism are different perspectives, and neither has a monopoly on reality or the truth. I've seen plenty of posters of all stripes on this forum who say absolutely moronic things.

It's the belief that "my side is right, your side is wrong" that is total bull****.
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My side is right, your side is left. That is a total fact. Do you believe your liberal political views are correct as compared to conservative political views? Do you stand by your convictions? As a conservative I do. I believe my side the conservative side is right. If I didn't I wouldn't be a conservative.
 
SgtRock said:
My side is right, your side is left. That is a total fact. Do you believe your liberal political views are correct as compared to conservative political views? Do you stand by your convictions? As a conservative I do. I believe my side the conservative side is right. If I didn't I wouldn't be a conservative.
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I don't deal in absolutes. I don't view most political opinions as right vs. wrong, as much as view them as positions with different perspectives.

conservatives and liberals value different things, different ideas. Liberals have liberal beliefs because those beliefs align with liberal values. Conservatives do the same. I don't view things in a right-vs-wrong, black vs. white context.

When I disagree with a conservative, usually it's not because I think he is ABSOLUTELY wrong, but because the ideas, the concepts, the things that I value are simply different from his or hers.

Of course, there are also some cases where I DO think the person I'm debating is wrong simply because he or she isn't getting their facts straight. But intelligent people can agree on facts and come to different opinions on the same issue.
 
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Red_Dave said:
You mean you were actually mugged and it destroyed you're faith in human nature?
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No, not like that. I meant in the fact that the old motto of what the grouping was fit me well.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
On the age thing, I am glad to see so many young people here, the sooner you really start paying attention to politics the sooner you turn conserative.
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StillBallin75 said:
I don't deal in absolutes. I don't view most political opinions as right vs. wrong, as much as view them as positions with different perspectives.

conservatives and liberals value different things, different ideas. Liberals have liberal beliefs because those beliefs align with liberal values. Conservatives do the same. I don't view things in a right-vs-wrong, black vs. white context.

When I disagree with a conservative, usually it's not because I think he is ABSOLUTELY wrong, but because the ideas, the concepts, the things that I value are simply different from his or hers.

Of course, there are also some cases where I DO think the person I'm debating is wrong simply because he or she isn't getting their facts straight. But intelligent people can agree on facts and come to different opinions on the same issue.
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That's true to an extent, but you also have to look at goals. For example, I think it's fair to say that most conservatives and liberals want to minimize poverty. We have completely different approaches to doing that, and you can compare those approaches and see which is more effective.
 
atrasicarius said:
That's true to an extent, but you also have to look at goals. For example, I think it's fair to say that most conservatives and liberals want to minimize poverty. We have completely different approaches to doing that, and you can compare those approaches and see which is more effective.
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I agree to some extent, but a lot of this stuff is really theoretical. Same deal when it comes to macroeconomic policies.

There's simply too many factors to take into account most of the time to say whether "this method definitely works better all the time," or "the liberal method is definitely better than the conservative method"

But you're right, a lot of my "liberal" political opinions are simply derived from what I believe to be pragmatism.
 
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Liberals always want to treat their movements as a movement forward and pretend that indoctrinating people to believe like they do is the proof in the pudding. Lets be clear, liberals have never won anyone over on anything and they didn't lead the equality movement in the sixties, but were opposed to it. Even the laws that were passed for equality people only approve of the freedom, not the force that goes into gaining it and therefore the lose of freedom for everyone else. On social issues in general they still struggle with the same issues they fought with eighty years ago because the same reality is still there. There will always be people that stay awake and see it for what it is and that will forever be why they have to use words to make a turd sound golden. And this is why they biggest base will always be the uneducated, and the freshly indoctrinated. The dependent are of course another base and surely a large one but they don't support them because they agree with their believes, but because they want to continue to have the life they have provided by the state.

Oh, and I will 29 in September.
 
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Henrin said:
Liberals always want to treat their movements as a movement forward and pretend that indoctrinating people to believe like they do is the proof in the pudding. Lets be clear, liberals have never won anyone over on anything and they didn't lead the equality movement in the sixties, but were opposed to it. Even the laws that were passed for equality people only approve of the freedom, not the force that goes into gaining it and therefore the lose of freedom for everyone else. On social issues in general they still struggle with the same issues they fought with eighty years ago because the same reality is still there. There will always be people that stay awake and see it for what it is and that will forever be why they have to use words to make a turd sound golden. And this is why they biggest base will always be the uneducated, and the freshly indoctrinated. The dependent are of course another base and surely a large one but they don't support them because they agree with their believes, but because they want to continue to have the life they have provided by the state.

Oh, and I will 29 in September.
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Gee, I've been needing this guy a lot today.
 
Henrin said:
Please tell me your base isn't the uneducated, the dependent, and the young.

do tell me that.
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Yeah, I think people who get government help generally vote liberal, just like rich people generally vote conservative. It's called self-interest. As far as education goes...
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I'm currently studying physics. What did you major in?

Also, you do know MLK was a socialist, right?
 
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Your Star said:
Southern Democrats were racists, so were southern republicans, the few of them that were around at that time, plain and simple. Northern Democrats weren't. It had more to do with North/South, instead of liberal/conservative.
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One prominent Democrat, and a very progressive one, certainly was.

While president of Princeton University, Wilson discouraged blacks from even applying for admission, preferring to keep the peace among white students than have black students admitted.

Black leaders who supported Wilson in 1912 were angered when segregationist white Southerners took control of Congress and many executive departments. Wilson ignored complaints that his cabinet officials had established official segregation in most federal government offices, in some departments for the first time since 1863. New facilities were designed so as to keep the races working there separated. Eric Foner says, "His administration imposed full racial segregation in Washington and hounded from office considerable numbers of black federal employees." Wilson and his cabinet members fired many black Republican office holders in political-appointee positions, but also appointed a few black Democrats to such posts.
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