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Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

Do you give the rapist an alibi for a cime he didn't commit?

  • Yes, you tell the truth and he goes free.

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • No, you let him be wrongfully convicted because he should have been convicted of the other crime.

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • Total voters
    17
I believe this could be hard for some but when you think about. You might be misaken in thinking this same person is guilty of rape, and know have an example of how possible it is for the Police to het it wrong.

It happens, and usually it's honest mistakes.
 
It's not that you're more interested in the show. It's more like you focus on it in order to avoid a confrontation. Granted not everyone would do that. Some people would scream at him. Some would beat him up. Some would even kill him. It depends on the person. I would avoid even letting him know I was there. I'm a 110 pound woman. If I were aggressive toward a man who's known to be violent, it could get me killed.

Gotcha. I'm not a brawler myself, but I hope I would at least find a way to screw up his evening, maybe get him riled enough to throw a punch at me so I could sue him.

I seem to have a gift for pissing people off.
 
If you come forward and tell the truth, the rapist won't be wrongfully convicted of murder. If you keep your mouth shut, he'll likely go to prison. What do you do?

You clearly have to tell the police you saw him.
 
If people insist on living with a clean mind in this situation then: write an annonymous letter and send it in . . . . likely not admissible but it being truthful exhonerates, annonymous exempts.
 
Someone not getting involves in the legal process that's screwed them is the same as rape? Seriously?

Wow....you guys try everything to justify your immorality. Yes....sitting back and letting another person get raped, killed, condemned is just as bad as if you actively did it yourself. The basic core of a human being is not just to do no harm to another....but also to ensure that you don't passively sit back and allow it to occur in front of your face. Sorry.
 
Gotcha. I'm not a brawler myself, but I hope I would at least find a way to screw up his evening, maybe get him riled enough to throw a punch at me so I could sue him.

I seem to have a gift for pissing people off.

There's ways to do it. I'm around Luna's size, and I have scarred off a big man who was looking to drag me out before. It's pretty simple. I carry a pretty big pocket knife. Legal just about everywhere in the world, and all you have to do is pull it out and look like you're not scared. They decide it's too much trouble and run. But if you look scared, they figure you don't know how to use it and may try to grab you anyway. Not looking scared is as important as being too armed to be worth the trouble.

I've never had to use it, but I know how, if I have to.

One of the first things my dad taught me when I started getting into my teens. It helped that I enjoyed fencing (and was bloody dangerous at it).

Yup, I'm a liberal who believes in being personally armed at all times. Especially if you're young, female, petite, and tend to travel alone.
 
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How old are you?

or are you just lacking in social skills?
No, I just get pissed off at someone calling me just as bad as a child rapist, because I wouldn't help a child rapist who raped my daughter, not get convicted of murder.
 
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Wow....you guys try everything to justify your immorality. Yes....sitting back and letting another person get raped, killed, condemned is just as bad as if you actively did it yourself. The basic core of a human being is not just to do no harm to another....but also to ensure that you don't passively sit back and allow it to occur in front of your face. Sorry.

Really? You seem perfectly fine with letting a rapist get away with it. That seems pretty harmful to me.
 
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He wouldn't have had that problem with the alibi, because of what he did to my daughter I would have dispatched him long ago if he walked from his first crime.
 
He wouldn't have had that problem with the alibi, because of what he did to my daughter I would have dispatched him long ago if he walked from his first crime.

Given the nature of the hypothetical, I assumed that it didn't include the possibility that I'd already beaten the rapist to death with his own mother's head.
 
No, I just get pissed off at someone calling me just as bad as a child rapist, because I wouldn't help a child rapist who raped my daughter, not get convicted of murder.

It IS just as immoral to sit back and do nothing while someone gets raped, murdered or condemned when you can prevent it. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
 
Really? You seem perfectly fine with letting a rapist get away with it. That seems pretty harmful to me.

Where did you get that? I never came even close to saying that anything even close to that. What I have said and will say again is that two wrongs don't make a right. It is not "justice" for an innocent person to get convicted of something that they didn't do, simply because they got away with something that they did. That is like stealing something from a store and justifying it by saying...well, once they overcharged me, so its ok.
 
It IS just as immoral to sit back and do nothing while someone gets raped, murdered or condemned when you can prevent it. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

Considering at that point that I would have a moral obligation to hurt the bastard any way I could, I don't think I can agree with this.
 
Where did you get that? I never came even close to saying that anything even close to that. What I have said and will say again is that two wrongs don't make a right. It is not "justice" for an innocent person to get convicted of something that they didn't do, simply because they got away with something that they did. That is like stealing something from a store and justifying it by saying...well, once they overcharged me, so its ok.

There is nothing wrong with thinking that it is immoral. I said so myself.

What makes you different is that you think not helping a child rapist who raped their daughter, is just as bad as child rape. Also, what if this is a different case and a person doesn't provide information, should he get 10 years behind bars for not providing information. Or do you think the real victims are the ones who raped?
 
It reminds me of two situations....first the incident I talked about before, where in NYC a woman was raped in the middle of the street and not a single person called 911. Also the case that happened several years ago, where a young girl was raped at the stateline casino in Nevada by a young man who was with another friend...who, while he didn't actually do anything illegal, didn't say anything while his friend raped and I believe killed the child.

True....one does not have a legal obligation to help right a wrong....but certainly as human beings we have a moral obligation. It is not up to us to decide that an innocent person is not "worthy" of justice...and the fact that he got away with a horrendous crime does not absolve us of the moral obligation to prevent a horrendous injustice from occuring.

People can try to justify it anyway they want to try to spin it, but the bottom line is that an injustice to anyone is an injustice to everyone.
 
First things first: Folks, please let's get along. This is just a hypothetical that I read some years back. It's not a real case. It's not worth getting upset with each other over.

It reminds me of two situations....first the incident I talked about before, where in NYC a woman was raped in the middle of the street and not a single person called 911. Also the case that happened several years ago, where a young girl was raped at the stateline casino in Nevada by a young man who was with another friend...who, while he didn't actually do anything illegal, didn't say anything while his friend raped and I believe killed the child.

True....one does not have a legal obligation to help right a wrong....but certainly as human beings we have a moral obligation. It is not up to us to decide that an innocent person is not "worthy" of justice...and the fact that he got away with a horrendous crime does not absolve us of the moral obligation to prevent a horrendous injustice from occurring.

People can try to justify it anyway they want to try to spin it, but the bottom line is that an injustice to anyone is an injustice to everyone.

I agree with you that if you know for a fact he's innocent of the murder, you should speak up, even if he's an awful person. What I disagree with is your claim that someone who keeps quiet is just as bad as the rapist. It's human to keep quiet. It's understandable. It's just not the right thing to do.
 
First things first: Folks, please let's get along. This is just a hypothetical that I read some years back. It's not a real case. It's not worth getting upset with each other over.



I agree with you that if you know for a fact he's innocent of the murder, you should speak up, even if he's an awful person. What I disagree with is your claim that someone who keeps quiet is just as bad as the rapist. It's human to keep quiet. It's understandable. It's just not the right thing to do.


I guess that we'll have to agree to disagree. To me.....anyone who would sit quite while a rapist or a murderer gets away with his crime when we were a witness....is just as bad as having committed it himself.

Someone who would sit back and allow a person to get convicted of a crime.....knowing full well that the person is innocent....and just sitting back and staying silent....is morally reprehensible.

I disagree with you....its not "human" to keep quite....its "inhumane". THAT is is exactly what is wrong with America today....too many people turn their heads and keep silent when the right thing to do is speak up. I don't accept that Americans have become so cold hearted that it is ok to remain silent in the fact of injustice. THAT is NOT the American ideal.

It shouldn't be that hard to understand....at least in my mind.
 
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Someone who would sit back and allow a person to get convicted of a crime.....knowing full well that the person is innocent....and just sitting back and staying silent....is morally reprehensible.
He is not innocent. He never got punished for his crime. This is not equivalent to stay quiet when an innocent man is sentenced to murder and you could have prevented it.

This is equivalent to turning a blind eye, when you see the rapist get beaten up. A lot of people would do that. Some people would even take the laws in their own hands. That's not because they are cold hearted, but because they really care about their loved ones.
 
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He is not innocent. He never got punished for his crime. This is not equivalent to stay quiet when an innocent man is sentenced to murder and you could have prevented it.

This is equivalent to turning a blind eye, when you see the rapist get beaten up. A lot of people would do that. Some people would even take the laws in their own hands. That's not because they are cold hearted, but because they really care about their loved ones.


Wrong. He is innocent of the crime that he is being tried on. Two wrongs do not make a right. I stand by my post that it is completely immoral for someone to remain silent when they can prevent an injustice.
 
Wrong. He is innocent of the crime that he is being tried on. Two wrongs do not make a right. I stand by my post that it is completely immoral for someone to remain silent when they can prevent an injustice.

That's not what you said. You said he was innocent. Not that he was innocent on the crime that he is being tried on.

I think you are have a very little understanding of how it feels to see your daughter get raped. People will feel a mixture of guilt, they will get hurt and they will get really angry. You don't seem to take this into account at all. We are not machines, we are humans with feelings. Not everyone feels comfortable helping the rapist who raped your daughter. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
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