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The Tabooed N-Word

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  • I say it often; and I mean it.

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • I say it sometimes; and I mean it

    Votes: 2 3.5%

  • I say in infrequently; and I mean it

    Votes: 6 10.5%

  • I say it often; but in a joking manner

    Votes: 2 3.5%

  • I say it sometimes; but in a joking manner

    Votes: 4 7.0%

  • I say it infrequently; but in a joking manner

    Votes: 10 17.5%

  • It spontaneous/ Never know when I may say it

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I never say it

    Votes: 32 56.1%
  • Total voters
    57
Cephus said:
Racism is racism, no matter who it is against. Why do you try to justify racism?
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Again, nothing in my post AT ALL suggests that I'm justifying racism. Stop reading into things - unless I say the word "justify", I'm not talking about justification.
 
theplaydrive said:
Again, nothing in my post AT ALL suggests that I'm justifying racism. Stop reading into things - unless I say the word "justify", I'm not talking about justification.
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Alright, my apologies then. I am getting sick of people pretending that racism against the majority is any different than racism against the minority. Racism against one person is just as much racism as racism against 99.999999% of the population. Racism is racism, period.
 
Cephus said:
We are talking about racism here, are we not? Skin color is the basis of racism.
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No its not. Its hating just to hate. Its somewhat based on generalizations. The repetitave actions of one group. Blacks are criminals. Asians drive like crap and run restaurants or dry cleaning establishments. Italians are great cooks, over emotional douche bags. Polish people do stupid things. Russians are alcoholics. etc, etc.....
And there is a lot of truth in those things.
But hating just to hate is racism. Killing jews...... racist.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
No its not. Its hating just to hate. Its somewhat based on generalizations. The repetitave actions of one group. Blacks are criminals. Asians drive like crap and run restaurants or dry cleaning establishments. Italians are great cooks, over emotional douche bags. Polish people do stupid things. Russians are alcoholics. etc, etc.....
And there is a lot of truth in those things.
But hating just to hate is racism. Killing jews...... racist.
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Actually, I don't think you can demonstrate the truth of those things, there is nothing you can link blacks genetically to being criminals. It just can't be done. While there are a lot of blacks in prison, that's not because they're black, it's because they're poor.

As soon as someone starts making statements about a group based solely on their skin color, they're engaging in racist behavior.
 
Cephus said:
Alright, my apologies then. I am getting sick of people pretending that racism against the majority is any different than racism against the minority. Racism against one person is just as much racism as racism against 99.999999% of the population. Racism is racism, period.
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In my opinion, racism against the majority is the same as racism against the majority morally and "intellectually". In other words, both are equally hateful and equally ignorant. However, racism against the minority has more harmful and measurable effects since minorities are more likely to run into people and organizations who are racist against them than majorities are. In other words, they are not equally influential. Put another way, I'd rather have the minority be racist against me than the majority.
 
theplaydrive said:
In my opinion, racism against the majority is the same as racism against the majority morally and "intellectually". In other words, both are equally hateful and equally ignorant. However, racism against the minority has more harmful and measurable effects since minorities are more likely to run into people and organizations who are racist against them than majorities are. In other words, they are not equally influential. Put another way, I'd rather have the minority be racist against me than the majority.
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And I'd rather have nobody racist against anybody, nor am I going to give a pass to anyone for acting racist against anyone. Wrong is wrong, period.
 
Cephus said:
And I'd rather have nobody racist against anybody, nor am I going to give a pass to anyone for acting racist against anyone. Wrong is wrong, period.
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Right, wrong is wrong. But racism is not just a moral issue. Some racism has more influence than others and in the arena of influence, not all racism is equal.
 
Cephus said:
Actually, I don't think you can demonstrate the truth of those things, there is nothing you can link blacks genetically to being criminals. It just can't be done. While there are a lot of blacks in prison, that's not because they're black, it's because they're poor.

As soon as someone starts making statements about a group based solely on their skin color, they're engaging in racist behavior.
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What if its possitive statements? Russian women are beautiful. Its not racist. Its the truth. There are characteristis of all ethnicities. Its in their culture. Its not 100%. Not everyone in a group is going to have that possitive OR negative trait. But to DENY the existance of a general trait is lying to yourself. ANd to call THAT racist is incredibly stupid. When someone HATES and becomes violent or even causes negative things to happen to others... THAT is racist.
 
theplaydrive said:
The effects of racism on a minority have more influence than the effects of racism on a majority. For instance, if 10 people were in a room - 2 black, 8 white - and both groups were racist towards one another, which group would be more affected? Answer: The one with the black people.
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Soo... what does that mean to the white kid in a majority black neighborhood?
 
Caine said:
Soo... what does that mean to the white kid in a majority black neighborhood?
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Sucks for him unless he leaves and goes to pretty much anywhere else in the United States, but the fact that you provided this example shows that you understand my point perfectly especially since I'm sure you know that the white kid in a majority black neighborhood is much rarer than the entire minority black population in majority white country.
 
theplaydrive said:
Sucks for him unless he leaves and goes to pretty much anywhere else in the United States, but the fact that you provided this example shows that you understand my point perfectly especially since I'm sure you know that the white kid in a majority black neighborhood is much rarer than the entire minority black population in majority white country.
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yeah, I guess it sucks for them...unless they leave and go somewhere else where they are in the majority. poor, poor negroes, dey gots it so bad in da USA. :roll:

When we rid ourselves of prejudice, or racial feeling, and look facts in the face, we must acknowledge that, notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, the ten million Negroes inhabiting this country, who themselves or whose ancestors went through the school of American slavery, are in a stronger and more hopeful condition, materially, intellectually, morally and religiously than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe.

-- Booker T Washington, 1901, Up From Slavery
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OscarB63 said:
yeah, I guess it sucks for them...unless they leave and go somewhere else where they are in the majority. poor, poor negroes, dey gots it so bad in da USA. :roll:
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How have you yourself overcome the hundreds of years when your own racial group was enslaved here and then denied their basic legal rights as Americans? Maybe you can tell us how your people overcame those tremendous obstacles so you could become a productive citizen of Alabama today?
 
The Giant Noodle said:
What if its possitive statements? Russian women are beautiful. Its not racist. Its the truth. There are characteristis of all ethnicities. Its in their culture. Its not 100%. Not everyone in a group is going to have that possitive OR negative trait. But to DENY the existance of a general trait is lying to yourself. ANd to call THAT racist is incredibly stupid. When someone HATES and becomes violent or even causes negative things to happen to others... THAT is racist.
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First off, Russian isn't a race, it's a nationality. Secondly, it's a false statement, not all Russian women are beautiful, nor are they all ugly. Third, just because it's a part of someone's culture doesn't make it defensible. So what? Racism is racism, positive or negative.
 
Maybe in a few hundred years slavery will stop being used as a cop-out.

Then again...
 
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OscarB63 said:
yeah, I guess it sucks for them...unless they leave and go somewhere else where they are in the majority. poor, poor negroes, dey gots it so bad in da USA. :roll:
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Are you claiming that racism doesn't exist in the United States?
 
Wake said:
Maybe in a few hundred years slavery will stop being used as a cop-out.

Then again...
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Why don't directly address my responses to your comments Wake, instead of making vague statements that have nothing to do with anything that has been posted in this thread?
 
haymarket said:
How have you yourself overcome the hundreds of years when your own racial group was enslaved here and then denied their basic legal rights as Americans? Maybe you can tell us how your people overcame those tremendous obstacles so you could become a productive citizen of Alabama today?
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they didn't, my people got shipped off to freakin reservations where most of them died along the way. so don't piss yourself and cry to me about how bad the poor poor negroes got treated. at least they were allowed to live.

that said, what happened to my ancestors 200 years ago has little direct bearing on my opportunities today.

live in the past and blame all your failures on something that happened before you were born OR take personal responsibility for your own life and make something of yourself.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Are you claiming that racism doesn't exist in the United States?
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did you even bother to read the Booker T. Washington quote? in case you don't know who he was.....he was a black dude. ;)
 
OscarB63 said:
they didn't, my people got shipped off to freakin reservations where most of them died along the way. so don't piss yourself and cry to me about how bad the poor poor negroes got treated. at least they were allowed to live.
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oh i see, so one bad deed means the other bad deed was no big deal. great reasoning.
 
OscarB63 said:
did you even bother to read the Booker T. Washington quote? in case you don't know who he was.....he was a black dude. ;)
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No ****. Answer my question since you're so knowledgeable.
 
OscarB63 said:
they didn't, my people got shipped off to freakin reservations where most of them died along the way. so don't piss yourself and cry to me about how bad the poor poor negroes got treated. at least they were allowed to live.

that said, what happened to my ancestors 200 years ago has little direct bearing on my opportunities today.

live in the past and blame all your failures on something that happened before you were born OR take personal responsibility for your own life and make something of yourself.
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wow.......you certainly don't look native american whatsoever. were you born on the res?
 
liblady said:
wow.......you certainly don't look native american whatsoever. were you born on the res?
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not born on a res. I am half native american. one grandmother was Creek, the other was Cherokee. one grandfather was a Scot, the other was Creole (more specifically a "Creole of color", a 19th-century term, came to refer to mixed-race people of African and European ancestry)

so "technically" I am also 1/8th black
 
theplaydrive said:
I don't evaluate racism solely from a moral standpoint since racism is not solely a moral issue. Like you, I believe that all racism is morally wrong. At the same time, I recognize that some racism has more harmful and meaningful effects than others. In the United States, racism against whites clearly has less harmful affects since whites make up the majority of the population (and the majority of authority) and are more likely to encounter people who think of them as equals. It is the opposite for black Americans.
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I see. It simply seems that because racism is less effective against one race, that it is acceptable.

theplaydrive said:
There is absolutely nothing in my posts to even suggest that I believe racism is justified. Some advice: read what's there, you don't have to interpret.
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It would be beneficial for you if you made your posts a little clearer.

You say that all racism is wrong, but some racism is more effective---worse---than others. Because some racism you think is worse than others, it makes me wonder if you do in fact see some racism as more justifiable than others.

theplaydrive said:
Why don't directly address my responses to your comments Wake, instead of making vague statements that have nothing to do with anything that has been posted in this thread?
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I responded though I didn't think it would mean much.

Also, that new statement is not vague. Many black people still use slavery as a crutch.

It's been over 200 years.

I don't let the past hold me down. I don't remember and hate. They need to forgive, forget, and further their lives. The past is holding them down. It's as though they shackle themselves.

Let go of the past.
 
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