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If it was Nazi Germany all over again, America should

  • Butt in

    Votes: 36 73.5%

  • Butt out

    Votes: 4 8.2%

  • Specifically ......

    Votes: 6 12.2%

  • No clue

    Votes: 3 6.1%
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Bodhisattva said:
That isn't how it works buddy... you have a supposition and it is up to you to back it. Pretty simple.
You are the one going against accepted knowledge and wisdom... do it yourself or admit you are wrong.
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Gonna address this one before tackling what differentiates "a" human from being a "developing" human. Then we can get into the, oh, I don't know, subtleties of what differentiates a Jew from a zygote. OK? I think that you need to do a little revision.

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Bodhisattva said:
Gonna address this one before tackling what differentiates "a" human from being a "developing" human. Then we can get into the, oh, I don't know, subtleties of what differentiates a Jew from a zygote. OK? I think that you need to do a little revision.

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i really can't wait.
 
lewstherin said:
.......................where?
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Holy Bongos... here:

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
That isn't how it works buddy... you have a supposition and it is up to you to back it. Pretty simple.
You are the one going against accepted knowledge and wisdom... do it yourself or admit you are wrong.
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Bodhisattva said:
Holy Bongos... here:
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you call that something for me to contend with? seriously? you didn't even assert an actual argument for me to refute.
what kind of mongoloid mind am i dealing with here? you didn't refute anything,.
 
As a Brit, I am a little bemused by the discussion about whether the USA should have interceded, or intervened, in World War II. While not diminishing in any way the value of the US contribution to final victory, or the help given in the form of Lend Lease, surely Americans are taught the historical facts that the USA neither intervened nor interceded. Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, and a few days later the Germans declared war upon the USA. It was not a matter of voluntary intervention. When someone formally declares war, you have little choice other than to engage them.
 
Leo said:
As a Brit, I am a little bemused by the discussion about whether the USA should have interceded, or intervened, in World War II. While not diminishing in any way the value of the US contribution to final victory, or the help given in the form of Lend Lease, surely Americans are taught the historical facts that the USA neither intervened nor interceded. Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, and a few days later the Germans declared war upon the USA. It was not a matter of voluntary intervention. When someone formally declares war, you have little choice other than to engage them.
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wow. good point. really. i didn't realize what the thread topic actually was until you posted.
 
Phantom said:
What if America ever becomes the next "Nazi Germany?" What do we do then?
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Well, then, you're either with the government or against the government. Either way, better hope you win.
 
lewstherin said:
you call that something for me to contend with? seriously? you didn't even assert an actual argument for me to refute.
what kind of mongoloid mind am i dealing with here? you didn't refute anything,.
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Holy ass munchers, we have a clown here. You said that killing six million within the framework of their organization was impossible. If that is not an actual argument, then man, go back to grammar school and start over, because you don't have a frickin' clue. I said that you would have double your disbelief in that the numbers were higher. Doubled. You told me to look up that I was wrong and to look it up myself and you wouldn't do it for me. I said that isn't how it works, you are the one challenging the accepted wisdom and it is up to you to prove your assertions. Seriously man, you want to start with the insults, then grab a ****ing clue as we head outside and settle this like men (the Basement). Dude, you are displaying yourself quite clearly for all to see...
 
lewstherin said:
i didn't realize what the thread topic actually was until you posted.
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And you accuse others of being mongoloids... well done. :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Holy ass munchers, we have a clown here. You said that killing six million within the framework of their organization was impossible. If that is not an actual argument, then man, go back to grammar school and start over, because you don't have a frickin' clue. I said that you would have double your disbelief in that the numbers were higher. Doubled. You told me to look up that I was wrong and to look it up myself and you wouldn't do it for me. I said that isn't how it works, you are the one challenging the accepted wisdom and it is up to you to prove your assertions. Seriously man, you want to start with the insults, then grab a ****ing clue as we head outside and settle this like men (the Basement). Dude, you are displaying yourself quite clearly for all to see...
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ohhhhhh...i see. you are wanting me to provide you with a link regarding the matter that you can then deem as "racist".

well, let's go beyond that a bit. auschwitz was divided into multiple sections. auschwitz II was where those held for extermination
were placed.
this is how big auschwitz was in it's entirety..............
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all 3 sections of it.

the entire structure is no larger than a small town hospital. cut that structure into a 1/3, and you have the capacity to
dispose of how many people in a 3 year period? you're saying 12 million. so i'm to believe that these tiny establishments could
effectively dispose completely of 300,000 people a month? not even the NYC morgue could do that $h!t. not the NYC, chicago,
and los angeles morgues COMBINED could handle that number. are you ill in your mind?
 
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I give Germany crap about their anti-holocaust-denial laws, often. I mean, it's just stupid to keep the freaks in the darkness when they can be laughed at in the light and dispelled as a legitimate movement.

And then I see something like this and think... well, maybe they are right, who needs this crap?


all 3 sections of it.
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Presented in their glory, am I right?

I wonder what some people mean by "good looks".


of 300,000 people a month? not even the NYC morgue could do that $h!t. not the NYC, chicago,
and los angeles morgues COMBINED could handle that number. are you ill in your mind?
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You think the death camps were like US morgues today? Next we'll hear about how the death camps killed very few people and it was mostly just dead-body logistics (with investigations) - like a morgue.
 
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ecofarm said:
I give Germany crap about their anti-holocaust-denial laws, often. I mean, it's just stupid to keep the freaks in the darkness when they can be laughed at in the light and dispelled as a legitimate movement.

And then I see something like this and think... well, maybe they are right, who needs this crap?




Presented in their glory, am I right?

I wonder what some people mean by "good looks".
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yes....i know. it's hard to come up with numbers. maybe you can explain for the class how such an extraordinary
large number of people were disposed of in such a relatively tiny facility? that would've been an ash pile beyond
comprehension.

and i am good looking.
 
apdst said:
You don't know that. There are plenty of events that happened in the Balkins, in the 90's that people still don't know about.

Hell, there are events that took place during WW2 that people are still ignorant of. This thread proves that. So, you'll excuse me if I reserve my confidence on the, "information age".
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Well if you think that this is a "never happened" world? Think again as people are much more aware and if you think for one sec. that our world would sit back, watch and do nothing for or while something like that happened again? You best think again..
 
lewstherin said:
i'm 1/2 jewish
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Will not spare you being asked to back up your following statement.

lewstherin said:
iand i call bull$h!t on the numbers.
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If you are going to dispute internationally and academically recognised numbers - you are going to need to show us where established knowledge is wrong. We had a guy called "kristallnacht" here a while ago and even he didn't deny the numbers. He actually agreed them - and then you turn up to deny the accuracy? :roll:

lewstherin said:
i mean, how long were auschwitz and treblinka even operational?
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lewstherin said:
-- the entire structure is no larger than a small town hospital. cut that structure into a 1/3, and you have the capacity to dispose of how many people in a 3 year period? you're saying 12 million. so i'm to believe that these tiny establishments could effectively dispose completely of 300,000 people a month? not even the NYC morgue could do that $h!t. not the NYC, chicago, and los angeles morgues COMBINED could handle that number. are you ill in your mind?
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Are you of the belief that this was the only place where jews, gypsies and other undesirables were exterminated or are you just jerking us off here?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Will not spare you being asked to back up your following statement.



If you are going to dispute internationally and academically recognised numbers - you are going to need to show us where established knowledge is wrong. We had a guy called "kristallnacht" here a while ago and even he didn't deny the numbers. He actually agreed them - and then you turn up to deny the accuracy? :roll:





Are you of the belief that this was the only place where jews, gypsies and other undesirables were exterminated or are you just jerking us off here?
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no. i completely acknowledge that jews, christians, gypsies and communists were exterminated at these facilities. i'm merely asserting the numbers have been exaggerated.
and anyone with even 1/2 a brain could look at the circumstance, and comprehend what i'm asserting.
 
lewstherin said:
no. i completely acknowledge that jews, christians, gypsies and communists were exterminated at these facilities. i'm merely asserting the numbers have been exaggerated.
and anyone with even 1/2 a brain could look at the circumstance, and comprehend what i'm asserting.
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Before I ask (I think Bhodisattva has been waiting too) for your evidence - can you clarify what you mean by "these facilities?"

I will repeat that Auschwitz was not the only camp where jews and others were killed and that nobody has tried saying 12 million died there. Please clarify exactly what you are asserting if that was not what you were disagreeing.
 
I honestly don't buy the numbers that have been released either. I don't have any proof, but I can't figure how they could manage it.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
They only murdered six million Jews because that's where the Allies stopped them. I would have allowed them to murder a lot more, just like we allowed the Hutus to murder a million Tutsis. I would have let them murder all of the Jews if it would have led to the early defeat of the Soviet Union and our unopposed supremacy over the entire planet.
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That is a pretty awful thing to say Viktyr. There is no "just like" either: the world knew about the Hutus but it was wrangling and procrastination in the UN which stopped any action to prevent the slaughter.

I would argue that the Allies knew relatively early about what the Nazis were up to - as early as 1942 but the Simon Wiesenthal Centre seems to say that nobody really understood the implications or believed until they got to the camps

apdst said:
There are no historical facts that suggest that anyone, outside of the Jewish community in Europe and the Nazi high command, knew that the death camps and concentration camps--yes, there's a difference--even existed.

There is tons of evidence that prove that Allied forces were totally unaware of the camps, until they stumbled upon them in 1945.
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36 Questions About the Holocaust (19-29)

America and the Holocaust - My Jewish Learning

During 1942, reports of a Nazi plan to murder all the Jews--including details on methods, numbers, and locations--reached Allied and neutral leaders from many sources, including the underground Jewish Socialist Bund party in the Warsaw ghetto; Gerhard Riegner, the representative in Geneva of the World Jewish Congress; and the eyewitness accounts of Polish underground courier Jan Karski and of 69 Polish Jews who reached Palestine in a civilian prisoner exchange between Germany and Britain in November. On December 17, 1942, the Allies issued a proclamation condemning the "extermination" of the Jewish people in Europe and declared that they would punish the perpetrators.
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The tragic fate that befell the Polish people, decimated by the foe, is now compounded by the monstrous, planned slaughter of the Jews that has been carried on in our country for nearly a year. These mass murders are without precedent in the history of the world, and all the cruelties known to man pale beside them. Infants, children, young people, men and women, whether of Catholic or of the Hebrew faith, are being mercilessly murdered, poisoned by gas, buried alive, thrown out of windows onto the pavements belowfor no other reason but that they are Jewish; even before death, they suffer the tortures of slow agony, the hell of humiliation and torment, the cynical sadism of their executioners. More than a million victims have already been slaughtered, and their number grows with each passing day.

--The Directorate of Civil Resistance 1941
 
Stay out. We should have followed Lindbergh's advice and not gotten involved in the first place. Britain should have allowed Germany a free hand in the East so Stalin could have been kept at bay.
 
Henrin said:
-- I don't have any proof, but I can't figure how they could manage it --
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Read the historians, check some history watch some interviews however this semi-denial / negotiation of numbers is distracting from the thread
 
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