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John Huntsman

Does former Utah governor John Huntsman have a real, viable chance at the Republican

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disneydude said:
True conservatives are being shunned by the current GOP....they are being pushed out by the radical right-wing wackos....whose only concern is to promote their radical big government social agenda. The GOP has little interest in the principles of true conservatism anymore.
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We have seen the same thing in the past. Ronald Reagan, the greatest president in my lifetime, was the result. We don't leave the party. We regain control of it.
 
Chappy said:
Huntsman is a serious candidate who could well win the nomination but, dear Lord, he is deadly dull.
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Amen for deadly dull.

We've seen what plenty of action brings us and I'm so sick of that drama
 
disneydude said:
Huntsman is the type of Republican that I could vote for. He is not a right-wing nut. He has strong fiscal conservative principles and has proven to be socially moderate. As long as there was some assurance that he would not appoint right-wing activist supreme court judges, I would consider voting for him.
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Thats interesting...I have to pay more attention to this guy...I admittedly dont have a clue about him as of now
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Amen for deadly dull.

We've seen what plenty of action brings us and I'm so sick of that drama
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The popularity contest has been going on far too long.
 
Misterveritis said:
We have seen the same thing in the past. Ronald Reagan, the greatest president in my lifetime, was the result. We don't leave the party. We regain control of it.
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LOL....Ronald Reagan would be shunned by the GOP of today. He would be deemed a RINO.....
 
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lpast said:
Thats interesting...I have to pay more attention to this guy...I admittedly dont have a clue about him as of now
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He's actually a decent guy...a true moderate...and thus has ZERO chance in today's GOP.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....Ronald Reagan would be shunned by the GOP of today. He would be deemed a RINO.....
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Would you please post your survey results?
 
Jobs and Economy focused guy first and foremost. Decently solid fiscal conservative track record being great on taxes but more middle of the road on spending. Seems to be a guy who wants to empower the private sector to fix things than to try and make government fix things. Moderate on social issues and unlikely to make them a focal point, which is great for this election. Served for Reagan and Bush. Has a heck of a resume as a cabinet member, a governor, ambassador, etc. And apparently an extremely good governor at that.

I don't worry much about serving as Ambassador for Obama. I don't care who you are, right left or middle, if the POTUS asks you to hold such a position then you accept that save for very rare circumstances. I don't hold that against him.

Very interesting candidate.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....Ronald Reagan would be shunned by the GOP of today. He would be deemed a RINO.....
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the word you are looking for is Conservative. The Rockefeller wing of the Republican party hated Reagan. It would be the very same today. So we conservatives must regain control of the Republican party.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I know that this is going to rock your world, but Obama isn't very liberal, and he isn't at all close to marxism/socialism. Only a moron who hasn't studied political science would espouse the rhetoric that he is.
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Obama is Bush for crying out loud. People voted for change. And got a third term of Bush.
 
Misterveritis said:
I won't do your homework for you. Plenty of people have already written the articles, made the connection and given the evidence. I can offer you a search service that does a remarkable job of finding relevant data. It is a small company that does not get much publicity. I use their free service nearly every day. Oh, their name? It is a bit silly but they call themselves "Google." I know. Goofy name. Try them. Google
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None of them demonstrate even a basic level of understanding of Marxism. I doubt you even grasp it, but I can't really knock you for that. Very few people actually DO understand that term.
 
obvious Child said:
Reagan would be skewered by the modern GOP for his reckless fiscal liberalism and tendency to increase taxes not to mention prolonging stagflation.
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not to mention his "amnesty for illegals" and his tariffs on overseas imports.
 
lewstherin said:
not to mention his "amnesty for illegals" and his tariffs on overseas imports.
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And the obscenely large government that grew under him. Republicans worship an idealized view that has been whitewashed. They ignore how Reagan bailedout social security. They ignore his massive tax hike. They ignore that actual social spending per capita was HIGHER under him then Carter (lol!!!). In more then a few ways there is a cult of Reagan that ignores reality and substitutes it for fantasy. Reagan did an absolutely fabulous job on his PR and people are still falling for it decades later. And I think it has something to do with the fact that they really don't have a recent Republican to flock to. Ford? Not a chance. Nixon? Don't make me laugh. HW was by far a better president then his son, but he's frankly boring. Going back, Ike is a Democrat to them. Not exactly alot of choices left.
 
obvious Child said:
And the obscenely large government that grew under him. Republicans worship an idealized view that has been whitewashed. They ignore how Reagan bailedout social security. They ignore his massive tax hike. They ignore that actual social spending per capita was HIGHER under him then Carter (lol!!!). In more then a few ways there is a cult of Reagan that ignores reality and substitutes it for fantasy. Reagan did an absolutely fabulous job on his PR and people are still falling for it decades later. And I think it has something to do with the fact that they really don't have a recent Republican to flock to. Ford? Not a chance. Nixon? Don't make me laugh. HW was by far a better president then his son, but he's frankly boring. Going back, Ike is a Democrat to them. Not exactly alot of choices left.
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i know. like i've said many times....reagan is to the gop what obama is to the democratic party. they both spoke extremely well.
they were both inspirational.....and did the exact opposite of what they spoke and aspired to be. plain and simple.
 
American said:
Would you please post your survey results?
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I can just picture Reagan running in the GOP primary today. He would be absolutely pilloried by all the other candidates on stage:

"My opponent, Mr. Reagan is a RINO. During his first term as president, he betrayed the Senate Republicans who worked tirelessly to pass social security cuts...and had the nerve to bail out the program! The size of the government has expanded dramatically under his watch. He showed weakness by reaching a nuclear arms agreement with the USSR...will he compromise with Al-Qaeda too? He's already granted amnesty to illegal immigrants once...no doubt he's chomping at the bit to do it again. His pattern of liberalism goes all the way back to his days as Governor of California, when he nearly tripled state spending, raised taxes by 30%, and pursued devastating environmental regulations. My fellow Americans, Mr. Reagan isn't just a Democrat. He's a socialist." - any Republican running for president today :mrgreen:

The fact is that Actual Reagan wasn't nearly as conservative as Mythical Reagan. If Actual Reagan was running for president, he'd probably be the most liberal candidate in the GOP race.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
We want someone who gets **** done. You get **** done by working with people.

We're all Americans here. The enemy is everywhere ****ing else.
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I see it different... I don't want someone who gets **** done, I want someone to eliminate the ****.
 
I'd prefer him to Cain. In fact, he doesn't sound like that bad of a candidate.

The only thing I'm iffy about is the fact that spending increased while he was governor and he lowered taxes. That seems a little off. People don't seem to understand that if you are spending more than you take in then you can't actively work to make your take in amount less. The math doesn't work out. And it doesn't sound like the decreased taxes were made up for anywhere else. Granted, this wouldn't have been just him, but also those in the state legislature.
 
roguenuke said:
In fact, he doesn't sound like that bad of a candidate.

The only thing I'm iffy about is the fact that spending increased while he was governor and he lowered taxes. That seems a little off. People don't seem to understand that if you are spending more than you take in then you can't actively work to make your take in amount less.
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Often lowering tax rates significantly increases, rather than decreases, tax revenues. Why, you might ask? Because lower tax rates set the stage for increased business activity. Increased business activity leads to increased tax revenues.
 
Misterveritis said:
Often lowering tax rates significantly increases, rather than decreases, tax revenues. Why, you might ask? Because lower tax rates set the stage for increased business activity. Increased business activity leads to increased tax revenues.
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That doesn't seem to have happened in Utah however, since they still reported a large amount of spending.

I hear this a lot but it really doesn't seem to be that effective. It would depend on what people are spending that extra money on, if anything, and whether that extra money that businesses make and are being taxed on results in enough of an increase in their taxes to make up for the lowered income taxes. Another factor in this is where the money is going. If a person gets a tax cut in Utah, then spends that extra money on a vacation out of the state, then the state is not seeing any of that extra revenue. Enough people spend the money out of state, and the plan backfires and you have less money going into your economy.
 
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