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I want to see the President fail

I want to see President Obama fail

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tessaesque said:
It's not a "fact", it's an "opinion". Facts are backed up by evidence. This is merely a left-side taking point.
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You can call it whatever it wants, your dismissal does not change reality. The Republic has been in trouble for quite some time and neither the R's nor the D's have done anything to right it. It's all measured and recorded. As I said, the blind partisans don't like it. It's easier to bitch about the other side than to analyze your own.
 
Ikari said:
I think you already know what our policies would be. Drastic reduction in government scope and size, end of interventionist policies, focus on American needs first, return to true free market capitalism, return to State power over Federal power, etc.
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I think any conservative would mostly agree with that. So just because Republicans aren't achieving everyone of those, doesn't mean that their supporters don't want those things.
 
The same tired "broken political system" argument always comes up every couple of years by disenfranchised idealists in the world of political reality. I give it little credence.
 
Fiddytree said:
The same tired "broken political system" argument always comes up every couple of years. I give it little credence.
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You've been in this arena a long time then, sir? Online political?
 
BDBoop said:
Can that even happen? I mean, is there a path that can be followed that make this a possibility. It sounds great, but I don't see how (outside of a revolution).
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It can happen, it will require a lot of work. It necessarily revolves around the breaking of the one-party system we have adopted in politics as to allow true political competition. Competition is always good, it drives innovation; but we've stiffled ours and have stagnated. Stagnation is slow death. The point at which the return to proper government can only be solved by revolution, we are going to be in a heap of trouble. But we're moving towards it, and the Republocrats are pushing it.
 
Ikari said:
You can call it whatever it wants, your dismissal does not change reality. The Republic has been in trouble for quite some time and neither the R's nor the D's have done anything to right it. It's all measured and recorded. As I said, the blind partisans don't like it. It's easier to bitch about the other side than to analyze your own.
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I pretty well straddle the line and have been critical of both sides. That said, you make blanket statements attacking parties (primarily the right) and never back it up. Instead, you just scream "it's a fact, look it up, buy a dictionary...blah blah blah". Show us how your continued slew of insults (and very little other contribution) are based on "facts". Provide us with that information. Otherwise it's just a bitter opinion.
 
BDBoop said:
You've been in this arena a long time then, sir? Online political?
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No, it's a common argument in at the very least American politics, historically.
 
Ikari said:
It can happen, it will require a lot of work. It necessarily revolves around the breaking of the one-party system we have adopted in politics as to allow true political competition. Competition is always good, it drives innovation; but we've stiffled ours and have stagnated. Stagnation is slow death. The point at which the return to proper government can only be solved by revolution, we are going to be in a heap of trouble. But we're moving towards it, and the Republocrats are pushing it.
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What are we moving toward? Revolution, or that which will require a lot of work?
 
American said:
I think any conservative would mostly agree with that. So just because Republicans aren't achieving everyone of those, doesn't mean that their supporters don't want those things.
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No, the real problem, IMO, is that your party doesn't move in that direction. When was the last time the GOP decreased government significantly? I think a lot of conservatives may want what I want, but you have to endorse the party which will really do it. And currently, the Republocrats are for the status quo, and you won't change the status quo by supporting the status quo. It's impossible.
 
Ikari said:
It can happen, it will require a lot of work. It necessarily revolves around the breaking of the one-party system we have adopted in politics as to allow true political competition. Competition is always good, it drives innovation; but we've stiffled ours and have stagnated. Stagnation is slow death. The point at which the return to proper government can only be solved by revolution, we are going to be in a heap of trouble. But we're moving towards it, and the Republocrats are pushing it.
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Hyperbole.
 
BDBoop said:
What are we moving toward? Revolution, or that which will require a lot of work?
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We're moving towards the death of the Republic. I would hope that people could take off the partisan blinders long enough to take a look around and understand the mess we're in. I'd much rather go the "lot of work" route than the revolution route (which would also be a lot of work I suppose). If we're going to control the government like we're supposed to, then we're going to have to do our job and be honest in our assessment of government and its policies and laws; particularly on matters in which the growth of government conflicts with our rights and liberties.
 
American said:
I think we all know what the context of the OP is. It's not about rooting for failure of America, it's about policies (and by association he who promotes them).
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Thank Betty I missed the word policies in the OP?
And I didnt imply anyone is rooting for failure of america what Im saying is I dont think people get that IF he fails we all fail.
 
tessaesque said:
I pretty well straddle the line and have been critical of both sides. That said, you make blanket statements attacking parties (primarily the right) and never back it up. Instead, you just scream "it's a fact, look it up, buy a dictionary...blah blah blah". Show us how your continued slew of insults (and very little other contribution) are based on "facts". Provide us with that information. Otherwise it's just a bitter opinion.
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How do you not pay attention to the course of government? Particularly when it acts improperly? I do not primarily attack the right, it's just that what you able left and right I see as functionally equivalent given their actions. Whether it's Medicade Part D's gift to the pharmaceutical companies, Obama's health care gift to the insurance companies, both Clinton's and Bush's play to the banks allowing oligopoly and later removing the restrictions on their leverage, etc. It's all serving the same set of people. Both sides endorsed the interventionist wars we had no part in doing. Both have run the wars with the intellect of a rock. Both have expanded the wars in the region. Both engage in propaganda such as "you have to support the President because...". What is the real difference and how has the main party served the Republic in any positive means as of late?
 
Centrist77 said:
Thank Betty I missed the word policies in the OP?
And I didnt imply anyone is rooting for failure of america what Im saying is I dont think people get that IF he fails we all fail.
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I don't think you get that your statement isn't necessarily true. Obama's personal failure as president isn't absolutely linked the country's success or failure.
 
While we are in a bad way, and while it is attractive to trumpet the impending doom of the Republic (as is seemingly done so frequently), I do not think it wise to ignore that politics can be gradual, needs to be gradual, or is institutionally gradual. I do not have the revolutionary zeal that others do. It frankly does nothing for me. The reduction of political parties to the monolith does a disservice to the action of politics and provides the impression that it is better to act rashfully, or because one is not likely to get their way for dramatic change, the destruction of the system as a whole to accomplish such change.
 
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tessaesque said:
1. I never cited the "evidence" I was refering to. So your calling it "opinion" is unsubstantiated. By it's very definition, "evidence" is not "opinion". Perhaps data would have been a better word, but it's really unrelated to the point.

2. "Rooting for failure" is an ambiguous, poorly worded statement. You can say "completely different", but I think what you don't realize (and I think I've pointed this out to you before), is your writing style doesn't lend itself to comprehension by the rest of us. Alot of assumptions have to be made as to what you're "really" saying, and it leads to your blanket statement on absolutes. You meant something else, apparently, but that certainly didn't come through.
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Doesnt need cited
America hasnt figured out what works thats why it takes everyone's views

again whatever you say but I apologized and explained what I really meant so its all moot, rehashing again changes nothing
 
tessaesque said:
I don't think you get that your statement isn't necessarily true. Obama's personal failure as president isn't absolutely linked the country's success or failure.
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How not? What this thread is about addresses exactly that issue. If he doesn't get the economy turned around. If he doesn't create more jobs. If he doesn't - - - - everything I keep reading that he's not doing, according to the people this thread is addressed to. If he doesn't, we will be a third world country. Therefore. If he fails, we do too.

Are we even the number one country in the world anymore, by any measure worth using?
 
tessaesque said:
I don't know what you're refering to. I responded to your post very clearly.
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You didnt prove the irony and you dodged the question.

its a simple one word answer, win / loss and you talked around it.

What if all his policies work in 2 years? is that a win or loss for America?
 
i find the results of the poll interesting.
as of now......
11 want him to fail.
22 don't want him to fail
11 vote "other"

i'm guessing "other" would mean these are people who want his policies to fail, but refuse to say they want a "president" to fail?
but it's fallen into this percentage ratio from the threads beginning. that which "yes" and "other" combined run equal to the "no".
 
lewstherin said:
i find the results of the poll interesting.
as of now......
11 want him to fail.
22 don't want him to fail
11 vote "other"

i'm guessing "other" would mean these are people who want his policies to fail, but refuse to say they want a "president" to fail?
but it's fallen into this percentage ratio from the threads beginning. that which "yes" and "other" combined run equal to the "no".
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I found them interesting as well, for the same reason.
 
Centrist77 said:
if you say so but we are talking about the president of our country, last I checked nobobdy knows how to run our government perfectly so rooting for YOUR OPINION of what will fail is rooting for AMERICA to fail LOL
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Again, that is absurd. This is not about whether you agree with those of us who feel that the direction that Obama wants to take the country is wrong. This is about your inability to understand that some of us actually believe Obama is just plain wrong.

You are in fact being a lemming, a partisan one.
The problem is you are speaking in absolutes when there are none, we survied 4-8 years of other presidents that people thought sucked and DID do damage I still didnt root for them to lose, I rooted for them to change or to compromise NOT TO LOSE because their lose is my loss and Im not dumb enough to think in absolutes in situations there arent any in. Like I said if everybody shared your logic the earth would still be flat and we'd be living in the dark ages.
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And that's all you got. Saying that people who think like me would have kept us in the dark ages.

Ad-hominem BS. :roll:
 
BDBoop said:
So many of you do. You are in here crowing every day about how he's just been nothing but a total loser ever since he took office. He's stupid. He only got educated because of affirmative action. Every day America is in more and more trouble, and you couldn't be happier.

It's almost like you don't care that America is the cost. As long as HE fails, that's all that matters.
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Boop in all fairness in my opinion the left was far worse during the bush years...they appeared to want us to lose the wars just to make bush look bad, they have blamed bush for everything imaginable. In my estimation Obama has been a worse president than bush by far and he has been treated much better by the media.
Obama' success's have been very few and quite unmemorable, Obamacare was the fuel for the teaparty and the beginning of the end of Democrat control of the house. Obama overall has failed us miserably.
 
BDBoop said:
So many of you do. You are in here crowing every day about how he's just been nothing but a total loser ever since he took office. He's stupid. He only got educated because of affirmative action. Every day America is in more and more trouble, and you couldn't be happier.

It's almost like you don't care that America is the cost. As long as HE fails, that's all that matters.
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I want him to fail at getting re-elected. I also want Obama-Care to fail. All for the benefit of our country.
 
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