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Pick your Poison - Communism or Capitalism? (Or Socialism?)

Which poison would you pick?


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If you had to live under any of these three ideologies, which would it be? This question I've been wondering ever since I read a quote in Viktyr Korimir's sig.

Supposedly communism has killed many.

Supposedly capitalism has killed many.

And, supposedly, socialism has killed many.

What is the better option? Do you know of a better ideology that won't have any blood splattered onto it?

Are any of these options even worth being considered?

As to Communism and Capitalism, as a quote from, if I recall, Viktyr Korimir:

"Communism is forced equality. Capitalism is forced inequality. I've picked my poison."

You may think him wrong, but he does have a point.
 
If you had to live under any of these three ideologies, which would it be? This question I've been wondering ever since I read a quote in Viktyr Korimir's sig.

Supposedly communism has killed many.

Supposedly capitalism has killed many.

And, supposedly, socialism has killed many.

What is the better option? Do you know of a better ideology that won't have any blood splattered onto it?

Are any of these options even worth being considered?

As to Communism and Capitalism, as a quote from, if I recall, Viktyr Korimir:

"Communism is forced equality. Capitalism is forced inequality. I've picked my poison."

You may think him wrong, but he does have a point.

Given that there exists no communist state in the world, and never has, that cuts us down to 2 options. Most 'socialist' states that exist allow markets to determine the distribution of goods and services and use money as the determinant of privilege to some extent. Hence, 'socialist' states ARE also capitalist. And given that not a single 'capitalist' state permits the unfettered operation of markets and that all provide at least some welfare benefits to its citizens, all 'capitalist' states are socialist to some extent.

Now y'see, I just can't see the point of voting in your poll.
 
I would live under a true communist state. No classes, no money, no government, Communism shared everything === heavean! But that probably would never happen so i would choose to live under a true democratic socialist state.

And ideas really dont kill people.. People kill people.
 
"As to Communism and Capitalism, as a quote from, if I recall, Viktyr Korimir:

'Communism is forced equality. Capitalism is forced inequality. I've picked my poison.'"
- Wake

His sig is a lie.

Capitalism doesn't force inequality on anyone. People are free to choose to be losers and failures.

Under communism failure is forced upon everyone without choice.
 
I support capitalism with some regulation.
 
Capitalism is too unsustainable and we see things such as recessions. Communism is also unsustainable, but because a Utopian life is also an uninteresting one. But both have advantages and disadvantages.

Best of both worlds =====> Socialism. Especially the democratic type.
 
"Best of both worlds =====> Socialism. Especially the democratic type." - Juiposa

So you wish to take by force from those that earn what they have and give it to those who have not.

Disturbing.
 
"Best of both worlds =====> Socialism. Especially the democratic type." - Juiposa

So you wish to take by force from those that earn what they have and give it to those who have not.

Disturbing.


If those who have not can't otherwise help themselves yes.
 
"If those who have not can't otherwise help themselves yes." - Juiposa

Oh, do tell!

1. How are you going to distinguish between those who are unable to do for themselves and the bums?

2. Who in the cornbread-hell do you think you are to tell someone else that they must give-up what they have earned so that it may be redistributed to someone else?
 
"If those who have not can't otherwise help themselves yes." - Juiposa

Oh, do tell!

1. How are you going to distinguish between those who are unable to do for themselves and the bums?

2. Who in the cornbread-hell do you think you are to tell someone else that they must give-up what they have earned so that it may be redistributed to someone else?

Both already happens here, and we don't complain to much. We bitched about HST but that has gone away. We have no problem with it here in Canuckland.
 
Capitalism without a doubt. It is the only system with a sustained track record of unleashing the full creativity of any individual.
 
We've become a nation that is driven by Cronyism Capitalism.

I prefer free market capitalism. That can't happen because of too much government intervention setting up biased rules and regulations that benefit select citizens (clearly themselves) and corporations.
 
Capitalism without a doubt. It is the only system with a sustained track record of unleashing the full creativity of any individual.

A user once said that capitalism has killed many through suffering and poverty.
 
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If you had to live under any of these three ideologies, which would it be? This question I've been wondering ever since I read a quote in Viktyr Korimir's sig.

Supposedly communism has killed many.

Supposedly capitalism has killed many.

And, supposedly, socialism has killed many.

What is the better option? Do you know of a better ideology that won't have any blood splattered onto it?

Are any of these options even worth being considered?

As to Communism and Capitalism, as a quote from, if I recall, Viktyr Korimir:

"Communism is forced equality. Capitalism is forced inequality. I've picked my poison."

You may think him wrong, but he does have a point.

Since every system is going to be dependent on the human element, each will be flawed if adhered to strictly. That is why most successful economies incorporate both communal and individual facets.
 
I would live under a true communist state. No classes, no money, no government, Communism shared everything === heavean! But that probably would never happen so i would choose to live under a true democratic socialist state.

And ideas really dont kill people.. People kill people.

People forcing their ideas on other people kill people. That is why capitalism is the best choice. It forces nothing and leaves everything up to the individual.
 
The key to making socialism work is to offer public sector jobs instead of welfare. If the public sector jobs are in areas such as infrastructure maintenance, agriculture, construction, etc, it ensures that you always have the essentials for society to function, and also that everyone can always afford those essentials. It also imposes an effective minimum wage and working conditions for private sector jobs, because why would someone work at a private sector job worse than the easily available public sector one? If people are screwing around at the public sector jobs and not working, then suspend them without pay for increasing periods of time, starting at around a month or so. That will show them what they've got to lose.
 
People forcing their ideas on other people kill people. That is why capitalism is the best choice. It forces nothing and leaves everything up to the individual.

Really? What if I have a terrible job that I hate? What will happen if I quit it?
 
Are we talking economic systems or systems of government here?
 
I think this is too general to give a good answer. When you say socialism, are we talking about Sweden or Cuba? When you say capitalism, are we talking about the model of most Anglophone countries, or are we talking about misanthropic Ayn Rand / TurtleDude capitalism?

There are some aspects of capitalism that work well, and some aspects of socialism that work well. It's a myth that either the government or the private sector is better in all cases, and the "market fundamentalists" are every bit as delusional and narrow-minded as the hardcore communists are. The government generally does a better job providing human services (e.g. education, health care) and public goods (e.g. roads, police), and the private sector generally does a better job providing other consumer products (e.g. iPads, hamburgers).
 
Are we talking economic systems or systems of government here?

Capitalism, communism, and socialism are all systems of economics. All three can be paired with democracy or totalitarianism.
 
I wouldn't want either one of them. I am thoroughly interested in The Venus Project as well as the Zeitgeist Movement.

The Venus Project
The Zeitgeist Movement

Resource Based Economy for the win!

Meh. The Zeitgeist Movement has some interesting aspects, but it's naive and overly idealistic in the extreme. An economy is simply too complicated for a central body to micromanage it, even if that central body is a supercomputer. It's a chaotic system, which means future states are impossible to determine no matter how good your current data is. Essentially, the Zeitgeist Movement is to the left what libertarianism is to the right. It's a nice idea theoretically, but it would never work in practice.
 
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