Would you defend your country?

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Bieber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

For the most part, if it's disliked by most of the world it'll be disliked by me. I will never support something I don't like.

Well...

If any of my nations were committing atrocities or doing something that was severely wrong I would want that government to be overthrown... And hopefully it would be done by a UN force and I would go back after the invasion to help in the rebuilding process.

I cannot defend the wrong just because it's wrapped in a South African, British or Canadian flag...

"patriotism is supporting your country 100% of the time, and your government when it deserves it".

spud_meister said:

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Bieber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

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Not being in that environment, I'd say I'd place bombs at select pinnacles of power.

spud_meister said:

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Bieber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

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If the country I loved changed to the extent you described than I would conclude that my country had been overthrown and I would fight to restore it to what it was. I would accept almost anyone's help in doing that. I think with the way the poll is written, that means I would surrender to the invaders, but in actuality, I would probably fight with them.

spud_meister said:

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Berber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

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Those who are without sin..................
Our nation was guilty of "bad practices" (slavery) (rights of minorities and majorities) and to this day, is not perfect -far from it..
So who is ?
I'd have to fight, just as the Afghanis and Iraqis have.
Maybe, one of these days we will learn...
But, to our credit, we did well with Japan and Germany.......
I listen to no man, (except Jesus), including a Justin Berber, whoever he is....

It would depend on the invading country. If I'm a citizen of Hilter's Germany and America/Britain comes storming in then I'm flying flags and arranging welcoming parties.

I would fight to protect my country first, no matter what. If I have Nazis at home and Soviets on the border, I'm pointing my rifle at the Soviets first, and vice versa.

tessaesque said:

It would depend on the invading country. If I'm a citizen of Hilter's Germany and America/Britain comes storming in then I'm flying flags and arranging welcoming parties.

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What if it was the Russians storming in instead?

spud_meister said:

What if it was the Russians storming in instead?

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Then hide yo wife, hide your kids and hide yo husband cause they ARE rapin erybody out here...

spud_meister said:

What if it was the Russians storming in instead?

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Back then? I think I'd be in a corner crying.

tessaesque said:

It would depend on the invading country. If I'm a citizen of Hilter's Germany and America/Britain comes storming in then I'm flying flags and arranging welcoming parties.

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Ah, but you're an American. If you didn't like the American government, for whatever reason, what other countries would you be willing to allow to invade your homeland?

Viktyr Korimir said:

Ah, but you're an American. If you didn't like the American government, for whatever reason, what other countries would you be willing to allow to invade your homeland and install a puppet regime?

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I honestly don't know that I'd be okay with anybody. I think I'd just be like, "**** it, I'm moving to Canada"....maybe Canada could invade.

Fight to death. Seriously.
I am, after all, a nationalist (an extreme one at that, so excuse my foolishness)

Viktyr Korimir said:

Ah, but you're an American. If you didn't like the American government, for whatever reason, what other countries would you be willing to allow to invade your homeland?

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That's really hard to say. Is there any other country in the world that does what we so often do? Invade a country and liberate it from oppression? Then rebuild it, construct a democratic government with human rights built into the law, and then withdraw our troops as soon as they're able to stand on their own?

Who else does that, besides the USA and our close allies working with us? Anyone? Ever?

Goshin said:

That's really hard to say. Is there any other country in the world that does what we so often do? Invade a country and liberate it from oppression? Then rebuild it, construct a democratic government with human rights built into the law, and then withdraw our troops as soon as they're able to stand on their own?

Who else does that, besides the USA and our close allies working with us? Anyone? Ever?

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Never mind all the other stuff, how many countries when and then leave without annexing?

tessaesque said:

I honestly don't know that I'd be okay with anybody. I think I'd just be like, "**** it, I'm moving to Canada"....maybe Canada could invade.

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I would actually be okay with that. I don't consider Canadians alien, and I've been arguing for union for a long time.

Goshin said:

That's really hard to say. Is there any other country in the world that does what we so often do? Invade a country and liberate it from oppression? Then rebuild it, construct a democratic government with human rights built into the law, and then withdraw our troops as soon as they're able to stand on their own?

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You seem to be assuming that democracy and human rights are what other people want. Look at the first countries we "liberated", Germany and Japan. Sure, we gave them a democratic government with human rights, but we also neutered them and subordinated them to our foreign policy for fifty years. What country would you allow to do that to us?

mac said:

Never mind all the other stuff, how many countries when and then leave without annexing?

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That was supposed to say win and then leave.....not sure how I typed when instead....

Fight, in a psychologically horrid manner (think Gibson in "The Patriot").

Flaming entrails hanging from the lamposts.

There is no such thing as terrorism against invaders.

(No, I'm NOT happy about our troops being blown apart by IEDs, but that's asymmetrical warfare, not terrorism.)

I'm not a nationalist either, but if you invade my home, you're fair game.

Watch what you eat, what you drink, where you sleep, where you drop your drawers to take a dump.

Does that hot girl want YOU? Or is she leading you into an ambush?

Then when the enemy loses the will to continue, hopefully there will be a power vacuum that will allow us to address the issues that precipitated the invasion in the first place.:2wave:

Viktyr Korimir said:

I would actually be okay with that. I don't consider Canadians alien, and I've been arguing for union for a long time.



You seem to be assuming that democracy and human rights are what other people want. Look at the first countries we "liberated", Germany and Japan. Sure, we gave them a democratic government with human rights, but we also neutered them and subordinated them to our foreign policy for fifty years. What country would you allow to do that to us?

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We did that, yes.... in response to their initiation of wars of conquest that sent half the world up in flames. How many Germans would say they were better off in 1939? I'm sure a few would, I doubt many. How many Japanese think things were better for them in 1943? Some, I'm sure... probably not very many.

At the time, of course, I'm sure almost all of them believed they were fighting for their nation, rightfully. I can hardly blame them for that. (The individual soldiers, I mean.) Can't say I would have done any differently if I'd grown up in pre-WW2 Germany or Japan... you're part of your culture and few can step outside of it an achieve true objectivity. (Many think they can, but... that is usually pride talking, self-delusion.)

If the US government turned into some overtly oppressive tyranny, I'd probably already be fighting against it as a guerilla partisan. If someone then invaded the USA with expressed intent to depose the oppressive government and restore our own Constitution, I might well view them as allies. It would depend, to a large degree, on who it was. China? Russia? Oh hell no. A Brit/Can/Aussie/etc-Nato alliance? Probably be okay with that, depending on circumstances.

But what if I don't agree that my government has crossed the line into tyranny and unjustified aggression? There are some who think it already has... I think we have problems but I don't think it has risen to that level, at least not yet. If I still support my government then I will see the invaders as invaders, and fight against them.

It's very subjective and hard to say what one will do in such circumstances, but the human instinct is to defend home/family/community/nation against "the outsiders".

Goshin said:

If the US government turned into some overtly oppressive tyranny, I'd probably already be fighting against it as a guerilla partisan. If someone then invaded the USA with expressed intent to depose the oppressive government and restore our own Constitution, I might well view them as allies. It would depend, to a large degree, on who it was. China? Russia? Oh hell no. A Brit/Can/Aussie/etc-Nato alliance? Probably be okay with that, depending on circumstances.

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That alliance you mentioned doesn't even support the rights listed in our Bill of Rights, and includes numerous other "rights" that I am sure both you and I would be opposed to. With the exception of the Canadians, I wouldn't trust any of them to provide a governmental structure that is in line with our cultural values and way of life. They're fine allies and I like them personally, but I would rather burn the entire goddamned country down than allow them to rule it.

I would airdrop the likes of Pelosi; Hannity; that woman with big hair on the 700 Club who is always walking through the woods singing about Jesus and crying; 8 door to door bike riding Mormons; upper level executives from Bank of America, Fannie Mae, Goldman Sachs; shopping center developers; members of the Westboro Baptist Church; that Koran burning dumbass preacher from Florida; parents who let their children run wild in bars; Jerry Springer; crab grass; that sweat smelling moron who dresses up like a rat at Chuckie Cheese; and of course Palin and Weiner on the offending nation until they begged us to stop.

spud_meister said:

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Bieber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

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My husband's military - if anyone invaded us obviously we'd be fighting.

obviously we'd be fighting

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That's the kind of talk we need more of.

spud_meister said:

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Bieber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

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Liberal western democracy, especially US-style, is disliked by the majority of the world and we've been accused of all that.


Wolverines.

spud_meister said:

Say your country had embraced an ideology that was disliked by the majority of the world, and was committing practices that were deemed bad (genocide, environmental damage, listening to Justin Bieber etc.) would you allow a foreign country to invade, or would you fight against the invasion?

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I would fight against the invasion. Because that is my country regardless of how ****ed up the leaders are. If the government became truly ****ed up then it is the responsibility of the people to revolt and remove those from power by any means necessary.