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Incandecent Bulbs Made Illegal

Incandescent Light bulb ban.... do you care?

  • I care! The ban is foolish! I want my incandescent bulbs!

    Votes: 13 23.6%
  • I like the ban! Bring on new lighting technology!

    Votes: 17 30.9%
  • I dont care either way!

    Votes: 10 18.2%
  • I like incandescent bulbs and fluorescent ones. But dont make a law about them!

    Votes: 11 20.0%
  • OTHER / I dont know / Chimichanga

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • Total voters
    55
This is actually a good point. New technology is causing book sales to fall all without the government interfering.

Book sales aren't falling, just physical paper book sales. People are still buying tons of ebooks. It's not technology that kills the publishing market, it's largely the publishing industry that slits it's own throat.
 
Book sales aren't falling, just physical paper book sales. People are still buying tons of ebooks. It's not technology that kills the publishing market, it's largely the publishing industry that slits it's own throat.

The point was paper books.
 
I believe the energy policies were better prior to the Dept of Energy than after.

Am I supposed to be surprised that you would think that? :sun
 
... and if I want to use incandescent light bulbs and pay more for them and the energy they waste, that's my business.

No one is stopping you from buying incandescent light bulbs, you can buy them at Home Depot and other local stores.
 
It sounds like your being selfish, as only one who is selfish would not admit to partaking in the squandering of our children's inheritance. I do not claim to be not guilty of this crime, but I do claim to do my best at being efficient and being non-wasteful as soon as I can. Unlike some people, I can admit that I make mistakes, that I am human. Simply because one is guilty of making poor decisions does not make that decision any less poor.

Am I saying you should "feel guilty about using a particular light-bulb"? Certainly not as guilty as depleting the earth natural resources by not supporting the cause to stop using non-renewable resources. If you're not for getting off using non-renewable resources, you are against it.

Denial is the first sign of guilt and a sign of immaturity. One who cannot see their shortcomings, cannot handle the possibility that they are imperfect. The sooner people own up to their mistakes, the sooner we as a race will make progress. Denial of imperfection is pitiful and reflects poorly; it is this way because it is so very clear that no one is able to be perfect and denial of that appears bullheaded.

Simply because you feel helpless in a situation, does not require you to distort your beliefs to better serve your ego, i.e. some may say: "there's nothing I can do about it so I will just say there's nothing wrong with it".



Let me ask you .. if everyone in society jumped off a bridge .. would you do that too? Using your logic, if everyone started murdering people, it would be O.K. because "virtually everyone" is guilty of it. Your reasoning holds no water. It just looks more like a cop-out than anything.

Isn't it ironic to see all the so called "conservatives" whining about conservation. :sun
 
I think you can believe they should be thrown out of office. If the citizens of the city believe that burning things in the park is advantageous, you might win. If not, I believe you will lose.

Same with the new light bulb efficiency standards. That was his point.
 
Yeah, you caught me. Your arguments are so morally superior to mine that I just cannot offer anything worthwhile.

we agree here! :sun
 
Very good. And I thought most conservatives didn't get absurdity and irony.

But, to get serious about the issue. There is NOT a ban on incandescent light bulbs. There is merely a minimum standard of efficiency that all light bulbs must meet. Energy efficiency standards have been put in place by both Republican and Democratic administrations since the energy crisis of the 1970s.

I just find it appallingly silly that people are getting all apoplectic over it now, but didn't say a thing about it when Bush signed the bill.

I think you have hit on the reason for the opposition now. It is not about the bill.
 
No one is stopping you from buying incandescent light bulbs, you can buy them at Home Depot and other local stores.

And let's keep it that way.
 
Could you buy a toilet that uses 6 gallons per flush. If you wanted to? If not, why not?
Not one that worked well and it would have been expensive also.

So are you saying there was no demand for low flow toilets until some busybody bureaucrat decided that was the only kind you would be allowed to buy in the future?
I don't think it was a busybody bureaucrat that did it, they are not smart enough. Engineers, like me, are the source. We present the numbers for things like processing sewage and purifying water and the how to make the implementation effective.

Do you have any other choices you would prefer that someone else make for you?
Not now.

Well thank goodness that we have those fifty regulatory agencies and the half dozen extra-constitutional departments. Otherwise people who are too stupid to make their own choices in life would be left high and dry.
Like the Tea Party couple I met. They'll never be out of debt because of the choice they made. You nad I are supporting them now.

And no doubt you are a democrat. Are you for or against a professional military?
Not a democrat, an engineer. I've voted Libertarian, Republican and Democrat.
What is a professional military? When I was in most of the lifers were not professional in any place I worked. You may have to draft to get an military that does its job or have an economy that is so poor that you have higher level people enlisting.
Sorry, I didn't check my spelling. Did I clarify anything.
 
Well you know how weather and the jet stream carries things from West to East? I'm just making sure this one ends up over Newfoundland and goes out to sea.

California Incandescent Light Bulb Ban Takes Effect

If you had kept up with the thread, or the news, you would have learned that incandescent light bulbs are available cheaply for sale that meet the standards created during the Bush Administration.
 
If you had kept up with the thread, or the news, you would have learned that incandescent light bulbs are available cheaply for sale that meet the standards created during the Bush Administration.

Bush is irrelevant, choice is the only relevant thing. You're the one who needs to keep up, as usual.
 
Bush is irrelevant, choice is the only relevant thing. You're the one who needs to keep up, as usual.

As has been previoisly documented, you can still choose to buy incandescent light bulbs.
 
As has been previoisly documented, you can still choose to buy incandescent light bulbs.

If you keep bringing that old strawman out, you're gonna have to re-stuff him pretty soon.
 
If you keep bringing that old strawman out, you're gonna have to re-stuff him pretty soon.


Just the facts Ma'am:

"Beginning in 2012, common light bulbs sold in the U.S. will typically use about 25% to 80% less energy. Many bulbs meet these new standards, including incandescents, CFLs, and LEDs, and are already available for purchase today."


Energy Savers: New Lighting Standards Begin in 2012
 
As has been previoisly documented, you can still choose to buy incandescent light bulbs.

I have no idea how you can continually miss the point. The change of standard took a type of incandescent light bulb off the market. That is an example of less choice. Stop with the strawman bull****.
 
I have no idea how you can continually miss the point. The change of standard took a type of incandescent light bulb off the market. That is an example of less choice. Stop with the strawman bull****.

The new standard replaces inefficient incandescent with more efficient incandescent. The reason this was done is because enegy ineffiency is harming public health, the environment, and the economy. Your "freedom" does not extend to harming people and their families. But go ahead and whine about your "restricted" inability to harm others if it makes you feel better! :sun
 
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The new standard replaces inefficient incandescent with more efficient incandescent. The reason this was done is because enegy ineffiency is harming public health, the environment, and the economy. Your "freedom" does not extend to harming people and their families. But go ahead and whine about your "restricted" inability to harm others if it makes you feel better! :sun

So now you admit I was right the entire time only to make another stance on a false claim. Answer me this, who is holding up those power plants you hate so much? I will give you hint, it starts with a G. Ask yourself this, why does the government bitch that the power companies won't invent new technologies but at the same time pay to make the business model profitable? To even claim for a minute the government has a reason to speak here is nonsense.
 
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