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Your statement begs extrapolation. What are your limits?
What are my limits to what?
Your statement begs extrapolation. What are your limits?
Well, I think you need to take your argument to the city government.
And if they do not accept my plea, then they are a part of Big Government and should be thrown out of office in the next election.
Yeah ya think? This is a ****ing BAN on incandescent light bulbs! Its total bull****. I should be able to buy any kind of ****ing light bulb I want! Luckily I still can. But not in California. After they run out, thats it. And its total crap.
Is it because you find freedom tedious and liberty boring?
It sounds like your being selfish, as only one who is selfish would not admit to partaking in the squandering of our children's inheritance. I do not claim to be not guilty of this crime, but I do claim to do my best at being efficient and being non-wasteful as soon as I can. Unlike some people, I can admit that I make mistakes, that I am human. Simply because one is guilty of making poor decisions does not make that decision any less poor.
Am I saying you should "feel guilty about using a particular light-bulb"? Certainly not as guilty as depleting the earth natural resources by not supporting the cause to stop using non-renewable resources. If you're not for getting off using non-renewable resources, you are against it.
Denial is the first sign of guilt and a sign of immaturity. One who cannot see their shortcomings, cannot handle the possibility that they are imperfect. The sooner people own up to their mistakes, the sooner we as a race will make progress. Denial of imperfection is pitiful and reflects poorly; it is this way because it is so very clear that no one is able to be perfect and denial of that appears bullheaded.
Simply because you feel helpless in a situation, does not require you to distort your beliefs to better serve your ego, i.e. some may say: "there's nothing I can do about it so I will just say there's nothing wrong with it".
Let me ask you .. if everyone in society jumped off a bridge .. would you do that too? Using your logic, if everyone started murdering people, it would be O.K. because "virtually everyone" is guilty of it. Your reasoning holds no water. It just looks more like a cop-out than anything.
I really hate this pitiful argument.
Resources running out is not the end of the world, it doesn't mean the our children's lives will be horrible.
Everyone that is makes this argument always forgets to mention people are always aware of this kind of thing way before it ever actually occurs and there will be people working on a solution way before it ever comes to be.
Your argument is basically fear over nothing to try to say that restricting freedom is a good thing. Its a crap argument.
... and if I want to use incandescent light bulbs and pay more for them and the energy they waste, that's my business.
If you wish to feel guilty about living your life, that is your problem.
I am for all types of energy and I don't feel guilty in the least.
ROFL! You are a stitch. I drive a gas powered auto and I don't feel guilty about it and it is a big car. If you don't ride a bicycle, you are a hypocrite and you are the one who should feel very, very guilty.
I have not distorted my beliefs. For you to say so is simply silly.
Virtually the entire society is guilty of what you believe to be "selfish" behavior.
Let me ask you .. if everyone in society jumped off a bridge .. would you do that too? Using your logic, if everyone started murdering people, it would be O.K. because "virtually everyone" is guilty of it. Your reasoning holds no water. It just looks more like a cop-out than anything.
More silliness that is not worth a response.
Is it because you find freedom tedious and liberty boring?
That's understandable .. not many like to admit their faults.
No resources running out is not "the end of the world" ... neither is genocide .. but most still disagree with it.
Relying on technology to save us is not a good strategy .. how long have people known about cancer? do we have a good treatment yet? how long have we known about AIDS? have we found a treatment yet? People that brush off responsibility by using technological advances to make wasteful actions "O.K." are simply in a state of denial, i.e. people know what their are doing is wrong, yet they do it anyway. Most people can't handle the possibility that they aren't perfect .. this is one of the major causes of cogs in the wheel of progress.
If I were actually proposing that people's freedoms should be restricted more than you would propose, you would have a point; however, if you had actually read my post thoroughly, you would see that I am actually all for supporting people being able to do what they want ("freedom") so long as they are not hurting others. The problem is you are against certain freedoms, e.g. the freedom to be born into a world that is as good than one's peers and ancestors, while you are for other freedoms, e.g. the freedom do whatever one wants to do regardless of the consequences for others.
It appears your driving motives for your argument are quite selfish in nature. You have left it up to our children to fix our mess instead of contributing to cleaning up now. This is the lazy approach that U.S. citizens are so infamous for. You call caring about others "fear" and a consider it a "restriction of freedom".
I have never said that one cannot do whatever they want to .. I have only added the qualifier that one can do whatever they want so long as they are not hurting others. I would find it hard for anyone to find some ethical position that refutes such a philosophy.
I do not think people understand that simply because certain actions that cause other relatively little harm (e.g certain "light-bulbs") does not make that action O.K. This is like saying, "well, its O.K. too steal because its not as bad as murder". Just admit your crimes and do your best to preserve our world for our children .. its not that hard. I'm not suggesting you wallow in your wrongdoings, but simply suggesting that people acknowledge their wrongdoings and do their best to right such wrongs, rather than making excuses and putting the solution to the problem on someone else's shoulders. Most people who cannot find a way to fix a problem, downplay the severity of the problem in order to feel better about themselves.
I would only be limited to the capacity of my facility to intake energy.You asked "What are my limits to what? I'll clarify. You stated that the energy they waste is your business. Let's say you had unlimited funds, how much energy could you waste and still have it your business.
This thread is not about amounts of energy to be wasted but about choice and limiting that choice for the supposed "greater good". All resources on this earth are finite and shared. However when a choice is removed under the guise of "well that wastes too much energy", I have to ask, "According to who?" Who is making my decision on what "too much" is? I will decide that, based on my particular need, capabilities and resources.You are free to waste other shared resources also, so I don't know how you feel limited.
My limits are my business and my choice. No one elses.What are your limits?
Awesome argument.And why can't I buy cereal with razor blades in it?
You do not deserve to be free.And I can't believe they took away those salmonella burgers I used to love so much!
Where's my freedom?!?!?!?
Wow .. you really didn't want to face the holes in your argument aye?
Yeah, you caught me. Your arguments are so morally superior to mine that I just cannot offer anything worthwhile.
Awesome argument.
You do not deserve to be free.
Anyone who gets this fired up over light bulbs doesn't deserve electricity.
Anyone who gets this fired up over light bulbs doesn't deserve electricity.
And why can't I buy cereal with razor blades in it?
And I can't believe they took away those salmonella burgers I used to love so much!
Where's my freedom?!?!?!?
Wow! Using a lghtbulb is equal to eating cereal with razor blades in it. The silliness continues.
And why can't I buy cereal with razor blades in it?
And I can't believe they took away those salmonella burgers I used to love so much!
Where's my freedom?!?!?!?
Wow! Using a lghtbulb is equal to eating cereal with razor blades in it. The silliness continues.
Wow! Using a lghtbulb is equal to eating cereal with razor blades in it. The silliness continues.
LOL While FilmFestGuy's analogy may be a bit extreme .. I think you understand the point he is making. He knows the two aren't comparable, but that does not make the principle of the matter any less true.
Actually, I believe he has the freedom to eat cereal with razor blades in it and I encourage him to pursue his freedom.