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Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal'?

Should DP add 'independent conservative' and 'independent liberal' options

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Jerry said:
'Independent' and 'unaffiliated' are groups lairs and/or those without the balls to take a position on any issue take. IMO they should both be deleted, not expanded.
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There is no technology that can measure the wrongness of this post.
 
Badmutha said:
Political lean is about Ideology, not party affiliation......

.....anyone who claims to have an Independent ideology......is confused.
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You don't get how this was clever do you?
 
StillBallin75 said:
unless you aren't from the US.
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DP's political affiliations are based on US politics, so if there is any change needed it would be to reflect international politics as well.
 
Jerry said:
'Independent' and 'unaffiliated' are groups lairs and/or those without the balls to take a position on any issue take. IMO they should both be deleted, not expanded.
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..or persons that really do not fit into any other category. I am financially very conservative, somewhat socially liberal, and I am also a staunch supporter of limited government that strictly follows the constitution and the limits placed on it by the constitution.

So if you were to place the label of conservative, liberal, or libertarian on me you would be partially correct but it would not really reflect my views as a whole.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Being an independent I would challenge you to prove that I don't have the balls to take a position on any issue. I would further challenge you to prove that I am a liar.
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Yes you would like this thread to be made all about you, I'm sure. Please save the attention whoring for the Basement.

I forgot to add Centrist into the mix, as it also doesn't actually mean anything, just like independent, moderate and unaffiliated. Together they are the emo-gothic rejects of politics, uniform in their anti-conformist ways. An ironically paradoxical existence.

As these labels are not expressions of belonging or allegiance, the instant an opinion on any issue falls on the conservative or liberal side, however slight, that person becomes a lair; they claim they are not of the lean which their position resides. All opinions fall to one side or the other, there are no exceptions.

Those who reserve opinions so as not to fall on either side of an issue, are the cowards; they are afraid to take a stand, even a reasonable one.
 
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I think it would actually be a better idea to allow people to write in their own political lean, rather than selecting their ideology from a drop-down menu.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think it would actually be a better idea to allow people to write in their own political lean, rather than selecting their ideology from a drop-down menu.
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That's exactly like saying everyone should be allowed to spell just however they want, use whatever language they want, and to hell with the masses if no one ever knows what you're saying.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
If I had my way, I would get rid of the "Lean" option altogether. Most people are a mix of leans on issues, which is why I think independent or unaffiliated apply to most folks here... or at least most folks who don't follow lockstep with a political party or affiliation. Also, when someone sees a particular lean under a poster's name, many will automatically stereotype that poster's positions on things... when many have a variety of positions.

I see nothing beneficial about leans. They are not accurate for most and they promote stereotyping.
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I do agree with you that it does promote stereotyping.

However, I always find it interesting when I see two people of different ideologies agree with each other, or when I agree with someone who has an opposing ideology. So that's why I would like to keep it - I like to see those issues where I agree with those whose ideologies I oppose.

So while most times it is used to illustrate wedges it also sometimes used to find common ground.
 
Jerry said:
That's exactly like saying everyone should be allowed to spell just however they want, use whatever language they want, and to hell with the masses if no one ever knows what you're saying.
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Not really, but whatever.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
If I had my way, I would get rid of the "Lean" option altogether. Most people are a mix of leans on issues, which is why I think independent or unaffiliated apply to most folks here... or at least most folks who don't follow lockstep with a political party or affiliation. Also, when someone sees a particular lean under a poster's name, many will automatically stereotype that poster's positions on things... when many have a variety of positions.

I see nothing beneficial about leans. They are not accurate for most and they promote stereotyping.
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Those who follow 'in lockstep' with any party are few and far between to begin with. A lean is just a lean, not a firm standing.
 
Jerry said:
Questo è esattamente ciò che significa. Abbiamo bisogno di un vocabolario comune in modo che possiamo capire gli altri.
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And if nobody understands what you're saying you will generally be ignored. It goes both ways.
 
Jerry said:
Yes you would like this thread to be made all about you, I'm sure. Please save the attention whoring for the Basement.

I forgot to add Centrist into the mix, as it also doesn't actually mean anything, just like independent, moderate and unaffiliated. Together they are the emo-gothic rejects of politics, uniform in their anti-conformist ways. An ironically paradoxical existence.

As these labels are not expressions of belonging or allegiance, the instant an opinion on any issue falls on the conservative or liberal side, however slight, that person becomes a lair; they claim they are not of the lean which their position resides. All opinions fall to one side or the other, there are no exceptions.

Those who reserve opinions so as not to fall on either side of an issue, are the cowards; they are afraid to take a stand, even a reasonable one.
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Sorry I can't speak for any other Independent. So excuse me for only speaking for myself and not anyone else. If some other Independent wants to challenge you the same way then that is thier perogative and i'll root them on. But you are the one that made an assertion about a lean that I associate with using generalities. Which means you included me in that list. Sorry if it offends you having to back up your own asserstions when called out on your BS.

And being an independent is about an overall perspective for me. Not an individual issue's perspective.
 
No for the simple fact that the voting system in the US anyways, forces you to vote for repubs
 
xpiher said:
No for the simple fact that the voting system in the US anyways, forces you to vote for repubs
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Really? Then how is it that we have democrats in Congress and Senate and the White House?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Really? Then how is it that we have democrats in Congress and Senate and the White House?
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I was replying directly to the OP when I said "you". First past the post voting system creates two party system and pushes people to the middle in order to garner the most votes. The people who "lean" typically will only vote the way they lean, or else their vote becomes useless i.e. people who vote for Ron Paul in the general election.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry I can't speak for any other Independent. So excuse me for only speaking for myself and not anyone else. If some other Independent wants to challenge you the same way then that is thier perogative and i'll root them on. But you are the one that made an assertion about a lean that I associate with using generalities. Which means you included me in that list. Sorry if it offends you having to back up your own asserstions when called out on your BS.

And being an independent is about an overall perspective for me. Not an individual issue's perspective.
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They're all 'over-all perspectives'. Everyone already makes up their own mind, so once again 'independent' doesn't mean anything.
 
I think independents are gutless. They are neither fish nor fowl, hot nor cold...
 
Misterveritis said:
I think independents are gutless. They are neither fish nor fowl, hot nor cold...
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Many independents would actually be pragmatic libertarians, if it wasn't for the fact that we have a first past the post voting system.
 
Yes the should. They should also add: Socialist, Communist, and Fascist.
 
Jerry said:
They're all 'over-all perspectives'. Everyone already makes up their own mind, so once again 'independent' doesn't mean anything.
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Only to you and those that think like you.

Your attitude actually reminds me of school. Each clique had thier own "specialty". But if you were not apart of any particular clique then you were "nothing". Someone to ignore or pick on.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Only to you and those that think like you.

Your attitude actually reminds me of school. Each clique had thier own "specialty". But if you were not apart of any particular clique then you were "nothing". Someone to ignore or pick on.
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The secret is everyone belongs to something, even if only in part, even if they belong to several different groups to varying degrees at the same time. No one belongs to nothing, which is what you would have to be as an independent or unaffiliated, etc. You have to be truly neutral on every conceivable issue.

So you're either truly neutral, a political coward, or you have various positions, and are thus a lire.

In reality, the total sum of all the positions and opinions of anyone who is politically engaged lands you on one side or the other of the conservative/liberal left/right plane.
 
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